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  1. Getting rid of me or just trying to get rid of me is exactly what Satan wants you to do, bro. But go ahead, try it. The more persecuted I am the more I feel what our Savior went through. Poster removed
  2. Stick with the subject at hand, please. Trying to assault someone's body, sexually or otherwise, does not compare with taking something outside of that person's body. Just be clear. Either resist or comply and be consistent in that situation.
  3. No, you are twisting what I am saying to suit your preferred translation. I am talking about how people need to be clear when they respond to other people's advances to try to get what is wanted. Just be clear. Either resist or comply with advances. Don't allow someone to think you are going along with what they want you to do if you really do not want them to do that. Don't pretend. Don't be a fake or a tease. If you don't want sexual relations with someone be clear that is not what you want and say No! as clearly as as directly as you can say it. And if you die, you die, at least you stood up to your attacker and died with integrity.
  4. You are using the word force, not me. I was using the word persuade. And yes many boyfriends try to persuade their girlfriends to have sexual relations with them, and vice versa.
  5. I would challenge your phrase "tries to force" and recommend the phrase "tries to persuade" as a more probable representation of what happened. Easy enough to provide multiple testimonies from people who have witnessed that personally when no gun or knife was involved. It's a common routine between many husbands and wives, and many boyfriends and girlfriends.
  6. Suppose someone said No at first but then showed no resistance whatsoever, no longer saying No and by body language indicating she was not resistant at all. People often change their mind. Consider this case portrayed in a court of law.
  7. Unfortunately, just saying "No" is not always enough to stop someone from attempting to put us in a particular situation. Sometimes we need to do more than just say "No". Sometimes we need to backup our words with more action. And if you can resuist someone's attempt to do what that person wants from you without a physical fight, then good, more power to you. Maybe yelling really loud would be enough to inspire someone to abandon their efforts. Whatever. But sometimes you might have to physically fight off a would-be attacker if you really want that person to understand that "No" means No.
  8. Who creates that guilt, if any guilt is created? I do not feel guilty when I feel I have done nothing wrong, even if someone is trying to tell me or trying to convince me that I should feel guilty about something. I'm talking about particular instances. I have felt guilt in the past but only when I feel God is trying to tell me I have done something wrong. Other people who try that do not have that effect on me because I do not take their word as God's word unless I feel God is trying to tell me the same thing. But that is not always the case because people are often wrong in their perception of what is right and what is wrong. A fascinating issue we should all consider. Thank you for discussing this.
  9. Yes a fine idea using the same reasoning for “You break it, You buy it”. Others should still try to make the couple feel bad about having sexual relations before marriage, though, and a shivaree should soon follow the marriage. They did not have shotguns in those days. The word “rapes” in this case would be better translated as ravishes.
  10. Yes, and resisting someone’s attempt to have immoral sexual relations with You or to attack You is what You can do to show that You don’t want that to happen to You. Otherwise You are consenting to allow that person to do what that person wants to do to You, and whether or not You have any virtue will be shown by what You choose to do in response. Why aren’t you and other people seeing that your only 2 options are to either resist or consent? If you just say “No” that will be a sign of resistance, not consent, and you should resist when you don’t want someone else to do something to you. If you don’t resist or show any sign of resistance, then what do you think God or a jury would say? Did you resist or consent? If you allow someone to do something to you or with you, and you are actively involved in the act the entire time, even if you did not initiate the act, then don’t be surprised if others consider your allowance to be your consent. Your choice is to either resist or consent when you have any ability to respond. And for the record I did not and do not consent to you or anyone else making me out to be an unreasonable person on this board and I have resisted your comment assassination attempts by showing good reasoning and good humor regarding your comments of my comments. We all are accountable for our actions or inactions, and all unrighteous judgments against my comments will be or already have been rectified. Unrighteous rules and discrimination considered. We all are here for only a Limited time only. Not much longer and we will not be here at all. If I were y’all I would want to hear as much from me as possible, because God inspires and sustains me.
  11. A would-be rapist can easily become an accepted sex partner simply by the would-be victim becoming a willing participant in the would-be sex encounter. A rapist isn't considered a rapist if the sex partner consents to the sex encounter. None of the labels can be applied correctly until whatever will happen happens and is over and done with.
  12. Not being able to fight back is not the same as choosing to not fight back or choosing to not resist. And I understand that if the victim fought back there is a chance the victim could lose the fight and still get hurt, maybe even killed.
  13. This is not that complicated. Who do you want to be in control of your own body? What would you do if someone tried to take control of your body and you did not want them to have that control? Would you resist or give in? I'm sure you could think of an example of how you could lose your virtue involving you allowing someone else to take it, in which case both of you would be responsible for your loss of it. I agree that you could get it back. Repentance is wonderful.
  14. Preserving your virtue is about preserving your right to determine your actions regarding your morals. Suppose the rapist doesn't have a weapon other than his own body. Suppose you are physically fit and think there is a good chance you could win a fight. At what point do you choose to just lay down and have some would-be rapist have his or her way with you? Would you chance it if you thought you would only get a few bruises and some chaffed skin on your knuckles? How much of a wimp would you be?
  15. I do not expect someone like you to understand, but trying to fight off a would-be attacker is better than just allowing that attacker to do whatever he or she wants to do to you. The attacker could kill you even if you let the attacker rape you. But you go ahead and do whatever you think is best.
  16. What is an example of virtue? Honesty, courage, compassion, generosity, fidelity, integrity, fairness, self-control, and prudence are all examples of virtues. ... For example, a person who has developed the virtue of generosity is often referred to as a generous person because he or she tends to be generous in all circumstances. https://www.google.com/search?q=virtue&rlz=1C1JZAP_enUS903US904&oq=virtue&aqs=chrome.0.69i59.2034j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 In this context, when someone tries to rape someone else, what they are trying to take away from the would-be victim is his or her dignity, propriety, fidelity, integrity, honor, courage, and control over his or her own body. You would either fight or give in.
  17. I have one daughter, a DIL, and if some fool ever determined to try to rape her I like to think she would resist even if resisting and fighting off her attacker led to her death, than to think she just laid down and took it without any resistance whatsoever. Fighting to preserve our virtue, or someone else's virtue, is probably the best way I can think of to die. Better than just rotting away with old age at least.
  18. Where I sit, you either don't value your virtue enough to fight for it, or you don't believe women should value their virtue enough to fight for it. You do realize this issue is all about how much people should value their virtue, don't you? I believe some things are worth fighting for, even if the fighting results in someone's death. Virtue for example is something I believe is worth fighting for. This current generation of wimps who would not fight to maintain their virtue is deplorable.
  19. I am appalled that you can't see the good sense in this statement: "There is no condemnation where there is no voluntary participation. It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle." In English, someone who says means it is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it (one's virtue) without a struggle. One's virtue is something someone should struggle to keep, rather than lose it with no struggling involved.
  20. Here is some language discussing the doctrine of sealing that may be better than anything you have read in this thread: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/temples/what-happens-in-a-temple-sealing?lang=eng
  21. Excellent question. I may need to add the word atonement to my list of words that should be replaced by a better word. As it is it refers to an act or action which qualifies us to be one with God, in unity with him, our Father, as we do what is required of us to accept that act. Kinda wordy. I think we can do better. Hmm. What would be a better word to refer to what our Savior/Messiah did to qualify us to be at one with our Father as long as we do what is required of us to accept what he did? I'll have to give this some more thoughtful consideration.
  22. Thank you for your well wishes. My system is working much better for me so far. Not only do I use a better word or term for sin (something I need to improve on) but I also have a better word for repentance (stop doing something not so good to do something better instead), ordinance (something we should do because our Lord said we should do it, also some kind of weapon or ammunition), righteousness (doing what is right), and God (our Father and what we already are even though we're not as perfect as our Father in heaven, yet). I'll probably think of a few more improvements as I continue to progress to become as perfect as our Father in heaven.
  23. Would it matter to you if the word sin was not in their vocabulary, and they did not want it to be? I'm considering removing it from my vocabulary. Hardly anyone says that anymore in everyday life. I just consider ways I can make more self improvements.
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