cinepro Posted September 15, 2020 Posted September 15, 2020 Not sure if this ever got discussed here, but since it was such a big discussion back in 2018, I wanted to make sure everyone saw how this turned out. Quote The plaintiffs dropped the suit, their attorney Craig Vernon told the station, after a recent Utah Supreme Court ruling “eviscerated” their case. That decision deemed that a new state law removing the statute of limitations in civil suits alleging sexual abuse could not be applied retroactively. 4
Ahab Posted September 15, 2020 Posted September 15, 2020 How nice of you to bring this up again. I'm glad the case was eviscerated.
Calm Posted September 15, 2020 Posted September 15, 2020 1 hour ago, cinepro said: Not sure if this ever got discussed here, but since it was such a big discussion back in 2018, I wanted to make sure everyone saw how this turned out. Good to see you again. Missed you posting.
Kenngo1969 Posted September 15, 2020 Posted September 15, 2020 I'm glad that it was dismissed, but I would have liked to see it dismissed for lack of merit rather than on procedural grounds. In any case, as regards the Mileses, all's well that ends well, I suppose. 4
cinepro Posted September 16, 2020 Author Posted September 16, 2020 5 hours ago, Ahab said: How nice of you to bring this up again. I'm glad the case was eviscerated. While it's great that it was dismissed, I am disappointed that it wasn't dismissed based on the merit (or lack thereof) of the accusation. 3
Calm Posted September 16, 2020 Posted September 16, 2020 27 minutes ago, cinepro said: While it's great that it was dismissed, I am disappointed that it wasn't dismissed based on the merit (or lack thereof) of the accusation. That was weird. Did you and Ken coordinate your answers? 1
Tacenda Posted September 16, 2020 Posted September 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Calm said: That was weird. Did you and Ken coordinate your answers? That was odd!!
Scott Lloyd Posted September 16, 2020 Posted September 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Calm said: That was weird. Did you and Ken coordinate your answers? 1 hour ago, Tacenda said: That was odd!! I don’t think it weird that they would independently arrive at and voice the same sentiment. And there aren’t too many different ways to express it. I have a similar feeling regarding the Masterpiece Bake Shop case that came before SCOTUS. I’m glad the baker prevailed in that case, but I wish it had been on merit rather than procedural grounds. 2
Calm Posted September 16, 2020 Posted September 16, 2020 It wasn’t weird they thought that way, it was the deja vu, something glitched experience. It took me a few seconds to register what had happened.
Meadowchik Posted September 16, 2020 Posted September 16, 2020 12 hours ago, cinepro said: While it's great that it was dismissed, I am disappointed that it wasn't dismissed based on the merit (or lack thereof) of the accusation. I would hope that is could be dismissed based on the lack of merit of the accusations. I'm not sure how I feel about the statutes not applying for such serious crimes.
provoman Posted September 16, 2020 Posted September 16, 2020 11 hours ago, Tacenda said: That was odd!! Legal minds, the both of them. 1
provoman Posted September 16, 2020 Posted September 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Meadowchik said: I would hope that is could be dismissed based on the lack of merit of the accusations. I'm not sure how I feel about the statutes not applying for such serious crimes. 13 hours ago, cinepro said: While it's great that it was dismissed, I am disappointed that it wasn't dismissed based on the merit (or lack thereof) of the accusation. 16 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said: I'm glad that it was dismissed, but I would have liked to see it dismissed for lack of merit rather than on procedural grounds. In any case, as regards the Mileses, all's well that ends well, I suppose. Was the case at a point where "merit" could be considered?
Meadowchik Posted September 16, 2020 Posted September 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, provoman said: Was the case at a point where "merit" could be considered? Good question.
Tacenda Posted September 16, 2020 Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: I don’t think it weird that they would independently arrive at and voice the same sentiment. And there aren’t too many different ways to express it. I have a similar feeling regarding the Masterpiece Bake Shop case that came before SCOTUS. I’m glad the baker prevailed in that case, but I wish it had been on merit rather than procedural grounds. It was odd for another reason as well. I took a double take because in my mind I'd thought that Ken said it not Cinepro. Thinking my mind tricked me. Edited September 16, 2020 by Tacenda
Kenngo1969 Posted September 16, 2020 Posted September 16, 2020 1 hour ago, provoman said: Was the case at a point where "merit" could be considered? Hmmm. I don't know. Good question. To get a real answer, you'd need to consult a lawyer, which, of course, I am not. The parties are not supposed to wait for a request for discovery from an opponent before disclosing, at least broadly, what evidence they have (or expect to have) to support their claims. (See Utah Rule of Civil Procedure 26.)
Bob Crockett Posted September 16, 2020 Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) Dropping the suit is technically an admission the suit has no merit. Craig Vernon can issue a public statement dressing up the pig, but the law is what it is. Edited September 16, 2020 by Bob Crockett 2
Calm Posted September 16, 2020 Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tacenda said: I took a double take because in my mind I'd thought that Ken said it not Cinepro..... Exactly...but it wasn’t quite what I remembered and yet no edit and why edit anyway...than looking closer and seeing ken’s name on the first post and not yet realizing there were two because of the way I was scrolling on the phone I only saw one post at a time and then going back again and seeing that they had both said the same thing. It was an odd disorientation for a moment. Surreal. Edited September 16, 2020 by Calm
Kenngo1969 Posted September 16, 2020 Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bob Crockett said: Dropping the suit is technically an admission the suit has no merit. Craig Vernon can issue a public statement dressing up the pig, but the law is what it is. I'm loath to disagree with you Counselor. I'm full well aware that you have forgotten more about the law than I'll ever know, and, for that reason (among others), certainly, you have my respect. Dropping this suit may be a tacit admission that it lacks merit, but there are myriad reasons why a Plaintiff might choose to not go forward with litigation that have nothing to do with the merits of the case. Surely, you know far better than I do how expensive, time-consuming, and resource-intensive litigation can be. Surely, you know that the strategy of some parties (particularly where there is a tremendous power imbalance between opposing parties) is simply to grind down the will of their opponents using various tactics to ensure that the case never gets to trial, completely irrespective of the merits. P.S.: And, thinking of at least one other erstwhile client that Mr. Vernon has had (while this was a case of him withdrawing and not a case of her declining to go forward), sometimes, an attorney's client is simply too Looney Tunes for the attorney to do his job effectively. Edited September 16, 2020 by Kenngo1969 1
Kenngo1969 Posted September 16, 2020 Posted September 16, 2020 Just now, Calm said: Exactly...but it wasn’t quite what I remembered and yet no edit and why edit anyway...than looking closer and seeing cinepro’s name and going back and seeing that they had both said the same thing. It was an odd disorientation for a moment. Surreal. 1
Calm Posted September 16, 2020 Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, Bob Crockett said: Dropping the suit is technically an admission the suit has no merit. How could the suit go ahead even with the statute of limitations still in place due to the ruling? Edited September 17, 2020 by Calm 1
Kenngo1969 Posted September 16, 2020 Posted September 16, 2020 16 hours ago, cinepro said: While it's great that it was dismissed, I am disappointed that it wasn't dismissed based on the merit (or lack thereof) of the accusation. I don't think this is fair, exactly! We both said the same thing, but your comment, thanks to the fact that I repped it, has more rep points than mine does! What's up with that!? Should I retract my rep point?! 1
Calm Posted September 16, 2020 Posted September 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said: I don't think this is fair, exactly! We both said the same thing, but your comment, thanks to the fact that I repped it, has more rep points than mine does! What's up with that!? Should I retract my rep point?! The world should be balanced....in this one thing at least. 1
pogi Posted September 16, 2020 Posted September 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Kenngo1969 said: Should I retract my rep point?! That would give balance, but it would also imply that you didn't like your own comment. It is a real conundrum! 2
Calm Posted September 16, 2020 Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) I took away a point from cine for this post for causing my existential crisis. went and gave him another elsewhere to balance that part of the universe. Edited September 16, 2020 by Calm 2
cinepro Posted September 16, 2020 Author Posted September 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said: I don't think this is fair, exactly! We both said the same thing, but your comment, thanks to the fact that I repped it, has more rep points than mine does! What's up with that!? Should I retract my rep point?! Sometimes the remake is just better than the original... 3
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