Hamba Tuhan Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, katherine the great said: Until the last patient recovers. True story: as a poor student, I and my housemates were given four weeks to find new accommodation. We did everything in our power but failed to get any traction in a city that was already experiencing a housing crisis owing to a local catastrophe that had destroyed hundreds of homes. Our move-out day the final week was Saturday. Tuesday morning I knelt down and told the Lord that we were out of options so I was going to start a fast and I didn't intend to break it until we had somewhere to live. He let me go till Thursday afternoon. Edited March 31, 2020 by Hamba Tuhan 2
Calm Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 42 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said: True story: as a poor student, I and my housemates were given four weeks to find new accommodation. We did everything in our power but failed to get any traction in a city that was already experiencing a housing crisis owing to a local catastrophe that had destroyed hundreds of homes. Our move-out day the final week was Saturday. Tuesday morning I knelt down and told the Lord that we were out of options so I was going to start a fast and I didn't intend to break it until we had somewhere to live. He let me go till Thursday afternoon. One has to be cautious with such stories. A family we knew in Canada lost a daughter because her husband convinced her they should go into the woods and fast and pray until the Lord gave them a vision. He came out alive and snuck off without telling anyone as apparently he decided it wasn’t actually worth it once she died.
Hamba Tuhan Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Calm said: One has to be cautious with such stories. I know! It was more about my desperation than anything else. I was fully aware that the Lord might not do anything. 1
Calm Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said: I know! It was more about my desperation than anything else. I was fully aware that the Lord might not do anything. I think a lot depends on how one tells it. If it is about forcing the Lord to do something or else you give up (die, lose faith, etc), not going to work. If it is something you are doing when there is nothing else to be done and you are willing to change direction if the Lord inspires you to do so, I think that can teach a good principle. I assume if you were spiritually directed to stop fasting and put your efforts into something else to find your solution, you wouldn’t have refused to accept the Lord’s direction in that fashion. It is people who are dictating to the Lord that concern me. You have never come across that way to me. 1
katherine the great Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 22 hours ago, Calm said: One has to be cautious with such stories. A family we knew in Canada lost a daughter because her husband convinced her they should go into the woods and fast and pray until the Lord gave them a vision. He came out alive and snuck off without telling anyone as apparently he decided it wasn’t actually worth it once she died. How do people get so weird?
Calm Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, katherine the great said: How do people get so weird? Arrogance/a need for attention is a big part of it imo, a need to feel above others in terms of experience or knowledge. Edited April 1, 2020 by Calm
Avatar4321 Posted April 2, 2020 Author Posted April 2, 2020 On 3/30/2020 at 10:58 PM, Hamba Tuhan said: True story: as a poor student, I and my housemates were given four weeks to find new accommodation. We did everything in our power but failed to get any traction in a city that was already experiencing a housing crisis owing to a local catastrophe that had destroyed hundreds of homes. Our move-out day the final week was Saturday. Tuesday morning I knelt down and told the Lord that we were out of options so I was going to start a fast and I didn't intend to break it until we had somewhere to live. He let me go till Thursday afternoon. Your faith is amazing
Hamba Tuhan Posted April 2, 2020 Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said: Your faith is amazing I wish it were all about faith! Mostly it was faith-informed and -supported desperation ... Edited April 2, 2020 by Hamba Tuhan
The Nehor Posted April 2, 2020 Posted April 2, 2020 I tried to do a seven day food fast once for an answer. Got it day 2 but kept up the fast until the end of Day 5 when walking up a flight of stairs was exhausting and caused all my muscles to ache so broke it morning of Day 6. Took about 24 hours of regular eating to feel normal. On 3/31/2020 at 10:29 PM, Calm said: Arrogance/a need for attention is a big part of it imo, a need to feel above others in terms of experience or knowledge. A lust for spectacular experiences is dangerous especially when the desire is to have them to talk about them. People who have this kind of desire rarely get them as they are unable to keep from telling everyone about them. 1
HappyJackWagon Posted April 2, 2020 Posted April 2, 2020 On 3/27/2020 at 8:17 AM, Avatar4321 said: President Nelson asked us all to fast for healing this Sunday. I don’t see his message anywhere I think it was nice that the church joined in with others fasting but it comes across as a bit presumptuous to invite others to join our fast when other denominations had been planning a special fast for that same day. Even the Pope had called for the people to fast on 3/29 at least a week in advance of Pres. Nelson's invitation. It's a small thing, and may seem petty but it strikes me as a bit arrogant that the church was 1- either totally oblivious to the huge Christian movement to fast on 3/29 or 2- if they were aware of a movement, church leaders tried to position themselves as the leaders of the movement. If they weren't aware, they should probably be more connected to the larger Christian community. If they were aware it would be nice to see the church "join" with others instead of needing to "lead" the effort
The Nehor Posted April 2, 2020 Posted April 2, 2020 39 minutes ago, HappyJackWagon said: I think it was nice that the church joined in with others fasting but it comes across as a bit presumptuous to invite others to join our fast when other denominations had been planning a special fast for that same day. Even the Pope had called for the people to fast on 3/29 at least a week in advance of Pres. Nelson's invitation. It's a small thing, and may seem petty but it strikes me as a bit arrogant that the church was 1- either totally oblivious to the huge Christian movement to fast on 3/29 or 2- if they were aware of a movement, church leaders tried to position themselves as the leaders of the movement. If they weren't aware, they should probably be more connected to the larger Christian community. If they were aware it would be nice to see the church "join" with others instead of needing to "lead" the effort Uhhhh....pretty sure we were planning to fast that day before the special fasts for everyone else were announced. It doesn't really matter but if you are that concerned about precedence...... 1
bluebell Posted April 2, 2020 Posted April 2, 2020 1 hour ago, HappyJackWagon said: I think it was nice that the church joined in with others fasting but it comes across as a bit presumptuous to invite others to join our fast when other denominations had been planning a special fast for that same day. Even the Pope had called for the people to fast on 3/29 at least a week in advance of Pres. Nelson's invitation. It's a small thing, and may seem petty but it strikes me as a bit arrogant that the church was 1- either totally oblivious to the huge Christian movement to fast on 3/29 or 2- if they were aware of a movement, church leaders tried to position themselves as the leaders of the movement. If they weren't aware, they should probably be more connected to the larger Christian community. If they were aware it would be nice to see the church "join" with others instead of needing to "lead" the effort March 29th had been scheduled as a fast day for the church since the beginning of the year though, long before Covid-19 was even a thing. 2
HappyJackWagon Posted April 2, 2020 Posted April 2, 2020 37 minutes ago, bluebell said: March 29th had been scheduled as a fast day for the church since the beginning of the year though, long before Covid-19 was even a thing. Right, as a normal fast Sunday, right? Not as a special fast where we invite the world to participate.
Amulek Posted April 2, 2020 Posted April 2, 2020 2 hours ago, HappyJackWagon said: I think it was nice that the church joined in with others fasting but it comes across as a bit presumptuous to invite others to join our fast when other denominations had been planning a special fast for that same day. I think "presumptuous" is in the eye of the beholder. Expressions like "join our fast" are merely expressions of invitation for those outside our community or those who have yet to hear about it to participate in the event along with us. Quote Even the Pope had called for the people to fast on 3/29 at least a week in advance of Pres. Nelson's invitation. Can you provide the source for that? It didn't pull up on the first page of my google search, so I figured I would just ask rather than look further (it's getting toward the end of the week). 1
bluebell Posted April 2, 2020 Posted April 2, 2020 1 hour ago, HappyJackWagon said: Right, as a normal fast Sunday, right? Not as a special fast where we invite the world to participate. Yes, obviously the fast was special in that the focus was chosen for everyone and the world was invited to participate, but the timing wasn’t special. It had been pre-determined months ago. It seems odd to be annoyed that the church invited the world to participate in a fast that they had been planning on doing long before the pope picked the date. 3
telnetd Posted April 5, 2020 Posted April 5, 2020 On 3/28/2020 at 9:23 PM, Calm said: Two meals usually. If you want and can handle sunset to sunset, that would be the historic way to handle it (have dinner earlier the night before and dinner later the next day). Most members I know time it to a meal after Sacrament Meeting, which might mean skipping dinner and breakfast. What about fasting from other activities besides eating?
LoudmouthMormon Posted April 5, 2020 Posted April 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, telnetd said: What about fasting from other activities besides eating? You fast from food. You abstain from other things. Abstaining from other activities can be positive things, but words mean things, and "fasting" means "the willful refrainment from eating for a period of time." 3
Navidad Posted April 5, 2020 Posted April 5, 2020 I think it is wonderful that President Nelson invited non-members to fast with the members of the LDS church. Fasting is a worship and prayer experience designed to strengthen our faith and help us to grow spiritually. I am grateful that he included my wife and I in that invitation. To me, it was the highlight of the General Conference! 3
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