Popular Post JAHS Posted February 13, 2020 Popular Post Posted February 13, 2020 Another big Texas ranch has traded but the buyer isn’t the usually city slicker or wannabe cowboy. The 15,000-acre spread southeast of Dallas in Leon and Freestone counties was put up for sale more than a year ago by one of Fort Worth's prominent families. The KB Carter Ranch is east of Interstate 45 midway between Dallas and Houston and has riverfront woodlands, farm fields, cattle grazing land and acres of lakes. The property has been in the same hands since the 1800s — owned by Fort Worth's Kimbell, Carter and Fortson families. Dallas-based Icon Global Group listed the grand property priced at just almost $50 million. The KB Carter Ranch was purchased by an arm of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.“They are one of the largest cattle ranch operators in the U.S.,” said Icon Global founder Bernard Uechtritz. “They have a lot of ranches across the country.” Uechtritz said the new owners want to keep the property intact. “They are good land stewards, which is what the Fortson’s wanted,” he said. The KB Carter Ranch t has a 3,500-square-foot manager's house, office, horse barn, workshop and two employee homes. I has a private air strip. The ranch is used to run more than 10,000 head of cattle and grows sorghum and corn crops. Sprawling Texas ranch southeast of Dallas has a new owner Well we know where the beef is now. I assume they use it to fill the Bishop's storehouses and send out for humanitarian aid. Most likely they also sell it in the marketplace. 5
Popular Post longview Posted February 13, 2020 Popular Post Posted February 13, 2020 Stewardship honorably and faithfully rendered is pleasing to Heavenly Father. Whether it be by multi-generational families or the new owners. 5
Tacenda Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 Interesting, I wonder if it will be for cattle, too bad now many are going for the beef less hamburgers and going more vegan these days. Not to make this a "beef" about how the church spends money, I'd hoped it would go to maybe education institutions, homeless shelters etc. But I guess it could be a good investment moving forward as well and being good stewards will be a benefit.
Popular Post mfbukowski Posted February 13, 2020 Popular Post Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Tacenda said: Interesting, I wonder if it will be for cattle, too bad now many are going for the beef less hamburgers and going more vegan these days. Not to make this a "beef" about how the church spends money, I'd hoped it would go to maybe education institutions, homeless shelters etc. But I guess it could be a good investment moving forward as well and being good stewards will be a benefit. It might be a good time to get out of cash positions and into tangible assets. Here is a tangible asset that can provide food, be a business generating income, or simply space on which people might create shelter in a calamity. With running water readily available, which in the west is a major plus in itself Brilliant move. If cash is worthless, this still can fill essential needs. Its eventual use is totally flexible. In case of emergency just bring in the trailers. Brilliant That's exactly the kind of thing. I want my tithing money to go toward. Thanks Lord. You've got some smart folks working for you. Edited February 13, 2020 by mfbukowski Spelling 7
JAHS Posted February 13, 2020 Author Posted February 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: It might be a good time to get out of cash positions and into tangible assets. Here is a tangible asset that can provide food, be a business generating income, or simply space on which people might create shelter in a calamity. With running water readily available, which in the west is a major plus in itself Brilliant move. If cash is worthless, this still can fill essential needs. Its eventual use is totally flexible. Brilliant Right. With all the investments in the stock market the church also has what happens if the stock market crashes, how much will the investments be worth?
mfbukowski Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, JAHS said: Right. With all the investments in the stock market the church also has what happens if the stock market crashes, how much will the investments be worth? Diversification is the key. Yes in a second coming scenario, the stock market is going to be in trouble. Just a little. But the stock market is very resilient in bad scenarios, which are less than total Destruction of the world. But we are far from that scenario and the stock market is going like gangbusters. That's the place to be right now, while grabbing opportunities like this for when everything crashes. You have to be flexible and ready for any possible scenario, beside this being a great time to invest in Texas real estate. Are you kidding me? On the I-45 corridor? Did you know that Houston is about to become larger than Chicago in population? And between Dallas and Houston? With water? That's absolutely Prime land. Edited February 13, 2020 by mfbukowski 3
The Nehor Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 50 minutes ago, Tacenda said: Interesting, I wonder if it will be for cattle, too bad now many are going for the beef less hamburgers and going more vegan these days. Not to make this a "beef" about how the church spends money, I'd hoped it would go to maybe education institutions, homeless shelters etc. But I guess it could be a good investment moving forward as well and being good stewards will be a benefit. The US current system of agriculture (for better or worse) is only sustainable at its current level with the aid of fertilizers we get from livestock so going with less emphasis on livestock is currently not possible without new developments. If you notice the ranch also grows some food staple crops. 3
pogi Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 I'm not a fan of the cattle industry. I think it is one of the most wasteful and inefficient foods to produce. It is bad for the planet, bad for our health, and it also happens to be against the word of wisdom (unless we are in famine - which we are not). I don't think the industry is sustainable long-term, personally. I know I am going to get a lot of flack for this position, but that is ok. 1
mfbukowski Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Nehor said: The US current system of agriculture (for better or worse) is only sustainable at its current level with the aid of fertilizers we get from livestock so going with less emphasis on livestock is currently not possible without new developments. If you notice the ranch also grows some food staple crops. And we could plant others 1
mfbukowski Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, pogi said: I'm not a fan of the cattle industry. I think it is one of the most wasteful and inefficient foods to produce. It is bad for the planet, bad for our health, and it also happens to be against the word of wisdom (unless we are in famine - which we are not). I don't think the industry is sustainable long-term, personally. I know I am going to get a lot of flack for this position, but that is ok. I still eat chicken but I haven't had beef now in months. I don't even like the way it tastes now. Chicken or fish is pretty much it. But, location location location! Think future, not present. K. I have said my piece. Edited February 13, 2020 by mfbukowski
pogi Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, The Nehor said: The US current system of agriculture (for better or worse) is only sustainable at its current level with the aid of fertilizers we get from livestock... There are endless sources of mineral fertilizers and poop. I don't think most modern agriculture uses manure fertilizer - maybe some small organic farms. I am pretty sure a cow eats more hay and other agricultural products, and drinks more water in their life-time than their manure can fertilize. Edited February 13, 2020 by pogi
pogi Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: Think future, not present. Thinking future is why the industry worries me. It seems to be ok in the present (kind of, sort of), but as populations increase and demand for water and food supplies increases, beef especially, but meet in general will not be very sustainable. Edited February 13, 2020 by pogi
Calm Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, pogi said: Thinking future is why the industry worries me. It seems to be ok in the present (kind of, sort of), but as populations increase and demand for water and food supplies increases, beef especially, but meet in general will not be very sustainable. It is not like the Church is going to be forced to keep the land as a cattle ranch. 2
longview Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 34 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: Diversification is the key. Yes in a second coming scenario, the stock market is going to be in trouble. When excrement hits the fan (i.e. end times tribulations), which would you rather have in your possession: a pile of gold bars or 2 year supply of food storage in the basement? Me? I would rather eat my food than lug around those ridiculously heavy bars.
Stargazer Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 26 minutes ago, pogi said: (unless we are in famine - which we are not). Not yet. It wasn't raining when Noah started building the ark. People buy life insurance while they're still alive. It's better to have a gun and not need it than need it and not have it. <<-- OOOH! An example of that inadvertent chiasmus that Meadowchik was talking about in that other thread!
pogi Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Calm said: It is not like the Church is going to be forced to keep the land as a cattle ranch. That is true. I still don't like the industry. I think that the word of wisdom is wiser than we give it credit for, and wish that the church would lead in the food revolution that has already begun.
Jeanne Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 Shoot....ranch already sold?? I was just getting ready to get my checkbook out...😉 2
pogi Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Stargazer said: Not yet. It wasn't raining when Noah started building the ark. People buy life insurance while they're still alive. It's better to have a gun and not need it than need it and not have it. <<-- OOOH! An example of that inadvertent chiasmus that Meadowchik was talking about in that other thread! If our goal is to feed the most people during a famine, beef production is not the way to do it. Edited February 13, 2020 by pogi
Stargazer Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Calm said: It is not like the Church is going to be forced to keep the land as a cattle ranch. Um, maybe, but cattle ranches are sometimes cattle ranches because they're not usable for other purposes. Here in glorious Sussex, England, we have these enormous chalk hills that stick out at the coast as the White Cliffs of Dover and the Seven Sister and Beachy Head. The hills don't have any trees to speak of, as the topsoil is too shallow to support them. There are trees, but they aren't used for much. The Downs, as they are called, are really only usable for cattle and sheep farming. You couldn't really grow staple crops on them either, and they don't. The Seven Sisters below: 2
Calm Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, pogi said: That is true. I still don't like the industry. I think that the word of wisdom is wiser than we give it credit for, and wish that the church would lead in the food revolution that has already begun. I assume the Benson Food Initiative, which helps families produce their own food in many areas, is likely using innovative methods. Who knows, perhaps the shift you would like to happen will come. https://www.ldsphilanthropies.org/humanitarian-services/funds/benson-food-initiative 1
Stargazer Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, pogi said: If our goal is to feed the most people during a famine, beef production is not the way to do it. Oh, but it is. I'm afraid you're not factoring in time-tables. Animals are protein on the hoof, or whatever. In the short-term we can slaughter food animals immediately to provide sustenance, and they can also be allowed to fatten on food we cannot use, but crops we can eat can take months to mature and harvest. And in a famine, of course, the cause of the famine may prevent us even bringing in a crop. Remember Pharoah's seven fat and seven skinny cows. Edited February 13, 2020 by Stargazer
pogi Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Stargazer said: Um, maybe, but cattle ranches are sometimes cattle ranches because they're not usable for other purposes. That is not the case with the land the Church owns for cattle ranching in Texas, Florida, and Brazil.
Stargazer Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, pogi said: That is not the case with the land the Church owns for cattle ranching in Texas, Florida, and Brazil. I was responding to her general case, not this specific one.
Calm Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Stargazer said: I was responding to her general case, not this specific one. My general case is church owned property though. This topic is about that, not cattle ranching in general imo. Game animal or using indigenous animals can be an alternative to cattle ranching. https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/rangelands/article/viewFile/11780/11053 If climate change causes significant migration, land that includes water might be highly useful for resettlement of migrants/refugees. Edited February 13, 2020 by Calm
Ahab Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 3 hours ago, JAHS said: Another big Texas ranch has traded but the buyer isn’t the usually city slicker or wannabe cowboy. The 15,000-acre spread southeast of Dallas in Leon and Freestone counties was put up for sale more than a year ago by one of Fort Worth's prominent families. The KB Carter Ranch is east of Interstate 45 midway between Dallas and Houston and has riverfront woodlands, farm fields, cattle grazing land and acres of lakes. The property has been in the same hands since the 1800s — owned by Fort Worth's Kimbell, Carter and Fortson families. Dallas-based Icon Global Group listed the grand property priced at just almost $50 million. The KB Carter Ranch was purchased by an arm of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.“They are one of the largest cattle ranch operators in the U.S.,” said Icon Global founder Bernard Uechtritz. “They have a lot of ranches across the country.” Uechtritz said the new owners want to keep the property intact. “They are good land stewards, which is what the Fortson’s wanted,” he said. The KB Carter Ranch t has a 3,500-square-foot manager's house, office, horse barn, workshop and two employee homes. I has a private air strip. The ranch is used to run more than 10,000 head of cattle and grows sorghum and corn crops. Sprawling Texas ranch southeast of Dallas has a new owner Well we know where the beef is now. I assume they use it to fill the Bishop's storehouses and send out for humanitarian aid. Most likely they also sell it in the marketplace. I was raised in Texas and still go back on occasions. Last time I was there I noticed there are a lot of billboard signs that discourage eating beef. I wonder if we'll be seeing any more now specifically targeting beef raised by our Church. Probably should change that last one to LDS chikin or something like that.
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