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QUOTE:  "Prosecutors said Petersen and at least two associates recruited dozens of pregnant women from the Republic of the Marshall Islands, paid them to give up their babies for adoption, and charged American families up to $40,000 to adopt each child. Officials said Petersen pocketed approximately $2.7 million over the course of the scheme."

Many families in the US pay $50K or more through the legal processes overseen by various government entities.  So who is the REAL trafficker?

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1 hour ago, longview said:

QUOTE:  "Prosecutors said Petersen and at least two associates recruited dozens of pregnant women from the Republic of the Marshall Islands, paid them to give up their babies for adoption, and charged American families up to $40,000 to adopt each child. Officials said Petersen pocketed approximately $2.7 million over the course of the scheme."

Many families in the US pay $50K or more through the legal processes overseen by various government entities.  So who is the REAL trafficker?

to compare the two i'd say this Petersen joker, I doubt the US Gov't pay people to give up their babies and you said "many" but that means not all and you said they pay for legal fees, which sounds better than some criminal doofus who knows a lot of pregnant women and is making a fast buck off of them

Posted
38 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

I should add that there is one exception. Adopting a hospice baby is another way of adopting a young child. Very few though are up for adopting a terminally ill child due to the obvious emotional complications.

This guy and those like him are some of my heroes: https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-foster-father-sick-children-2017-story.html

Wow, that story really moved me. Thank you for sharing.

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This article has some additional detail: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2019/10/09/arizona-ag-paul-petersen-flew-pregnant-women-marshall-islands-mesa/3920125002/

A couple of items of note:

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Eight pregnant Marshallese women were found in a residence in Mesa on Tuesday night when Department of Public Safety troopers executed a search warrant, according to DPS Director Frank Milstead.

Shoving 8 pregnant women into a single house sure doesn't mesh with the defense's version of the story; kind of has the hallmark of human smuggling.

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It's also illegal to scam Arizona's Medicaid system, which Brnovich alleges Petersen did when he helped these women illegally access state-funded medical benefits to the tune of $814,000...Shortly before the women gave birth, Petersen or his associates assisted her in signing up for Medicaid benefits, falsely stating they were Arizona residents.

If nothing else, the Medicaid benefits scheme is fraudulent.

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I had the same reaction as SMAC when I read this story. This looks really bad.   It is difficult to make $2.7 million in profit over ten years doing  routine legitimate adoptions.   it is possible that the $2.7 is gross income, not profit,  and that  some or many of these adoptions were legitimate.  It could  also be that the actual profit from the illegal ( I assume  based on the article)  enterprise is  much less. Prosecutors often exaggerate the extent of ill gotten gains, but if Peterson really had $2.7 in taxable income from doing adoptions, it raises a lot of red flags for me. 

Posted
13 minutes ago, Duncan said:

My guess is he'd be excommunicated for this 

If he is convicted of medicare fraud or adoption fraud some church discipline would be indicated. It is hard to understand what his explanation will be. He was apparently not striving to be honest in his dealings. It reflects poorly on the good name of the Church. If he makes  a plea agreement and makes restitution, he might avoid excommunication. We will never know the  what is actually considered in his Disciplinary Council and that is as it should be. 

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3 hours ago, smac97 said:

.........................Maricopa County Assessor Paul Petersen..................

Maricopa County.  Hmmmmm.  Isn't that the same county which kept Sheriff Joe Arapio in power for so long?  Contempt for the law is standard procedure in Maricopa County.  Joe even got a presidential pardon.

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38 minutes ago, ttribe said:

This article has some additional detail: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2019/10/09/arizona-ag-paul-petersen-flew-pregnant-women-marshall-islands-mesa/3920125002/

A couple of items of note:

Shoving 8 pregnant women into a single house sure doesn't mesh with the defense's version of the story; kind of has the hallmark of human smuggling.

If nothing else, the Medicaid benefits scheme is fraudulent.

Yeah, the usual costs for private adoption are mostly to compensate the mom and cover the delivery and often pay room and board for part or all of the pregnancy. Paying $40,000 so they can be crowded together into a single house and a lawyer can buy a McMansion means said lawyer is a slimeball and will probably burn in hell. His lawyer’s defense seems laughable.

Adoption attorneys usually make around $60k to $70k a year and he is not charging much above market for an adoption. Something has got to give for him to be making that kind of money that quickly. That thing was compensation for the mother.

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3 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Maricopa County.  Hmmmmm.  Isn't that the same county which kept Sheriff Joe Arapio in power for so long?  Contempt for the law is standard procedure in Maricopa County.  Joe even got a presidential pardon.

Yep, and he just announced he is now going to run for sheriff again. We are living in bizarro world.

Posted
8 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Maricopa County.  Hmmmmm.  Isn't that the same county which kept Sheriff Joe Arapio in power for so long?  Contempt for the law is standard procedure in Maricopa County.  Joe even got a presidential pardon.

 

2 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Yep, and he just announced he is now going to run for sheriff again. We are living in bizarro world.

[sigh]  He's delusional.  He's not getting re-elected.

Disclosure - I live in Maricopa County.

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2 minutes ago, ttribe said:

 

[sigh]  He's delusional.  He's not getting re-elected.

Disclosure - I live in Maricopa County.

Thank you for reassuring me of that. I was not sure how local sentiment ran.

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36 minutes ago, topcougar said:

If he is convicted of medicare fraud or adoption fraud some church discipline would be indicated. It is hard to understand what his explanation will be. He was apparently not striving to be honest in his dealings. It reflects poorly on the good name of the Church. If he makes  a plea agreement and makes restitution, he might avoid excommunication. We will never know the  what is actually considered in his Disciplinary Council and that is as it should be. 

Note his prominent use of a quad at his swearing in as County Assessor...he's definitely been playing up his Church membership to promote his "business" and his image.

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Posted (edited)
22 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Thank you for reassuring me of that. I was not sure how local sentiment ran.

The population of Maricopa County is now at approximately 4.3M and is one of the fastest growing counties in the country.  With all of that growth has come a significant change in demographics that is profoundly changing the landscape here; it is no longer the ultra-conservative political enclave it once was.

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41 minutes ago, ttribe said:

Note his prominent use of a quad at his swearing in as County Assessor...he's definitely been playing up his Church membership to promote his "business" and his image.

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if there was a boke emoji I would use it a thousand times over

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I can't even imagine the emotional and mental scars that the birth mothers most likely have. Using one's church membership to operate something like this is awful.

Posted
27 minutes ago, Duncan said:

if there was a boke emoji I would use it a thousand times over

If i understand what "boke" means, this one should do - 🤮

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This is an interesting podcast on a similar situation from a few years back.  It's well worth a listen.

(Act Two)
 

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Reporter Ted Gesing interviews Mike Nyberg about adopting a little girl from Samoa, only to learn over time that her Samoan family had no intention of giving her up for adoption. The US adoption agency had told the Nybergs that their adoption would be closed, and that their little girl Elleia had been living in a foster home waiting for adoptive parents; but in Samoa, Elleia's parents were told that their daughter could come to the US and receive a better education, and that the adoptive family would send money and regular updates on their daughter's progress. The whole situation leaves the Nybergs trying to find their way through sticky moral territory. (31 minutes)

 

Posted
42 minutes ago, Thinking said:

I can't even imagine the emotional and mental scars that the birth mothers most likely have. Using one's church membership to operate something like this is awful.

I have a rule of thumb that any business that blatantly wears its owner’s religion on its sleeve should be avoided. Same applies double to anyone who says you should be able to trust them because of it. Always be wary of those willing to commercialize their faith. I have found that over half the time they are professing to serve God in order to serve mammon.

Note: I grant a limited exception to charitable organizations, businesses owned by literal churches, and businesses that explicitly cater to that demographic for a good reason (LDS food storage business, Jewish kosher grocery, etc.)

Posted
47 minutes ago, ttribe said:

If i understand what "boke" means, this one should do - 🤮

two thumbs up!

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This guys father was also an elected official and was forced to resign of a different criminal problem.  I’m too busy to find a link though...

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