Church announcing details of SL Temple, Temple Square renovations

[reubendunn]

On 4/19/2019 at 11:38 AM, Scott Lloyd said:

Noteworthy that endowment sessions will continue the legacy live presentations, but there will also be audiovisual presentations, allowing for sessions in many different languages. 

How do you arrive at the notion that live endowment sessions will continue?
I'm pretty sure this was not mentioned.
Given the diversity of language, and timing, I don't see an English Speaking session being adequately synced with a Spanish, Russian, Chinese, or French narration.

I would suspect that Like the Idaho Falls Temple, the renovation will include the insertion of the current audio/visual endowment with accompanying headsets.

If I've missed where the Prophet or someone said that the Live Endowments would continue, please let me know.

[Scott Lloyd]

1 hour ago, reubendunn said:

How do you arrive at the notion that live endowment sessions will continue?
I'm pretty sure this was not mentioned.
Given the diversity of language, and timing, I don't see an English Speaking session being adequately synced with a Spanish, Russian, Chinese, or French narration.

I would suspect that Like the Idaho Falls Temple, the renovation will include the insertion of the current audio/visual endowment with accompanying headsets.

If I've missed where the Prophet or someone said that the Live Endowments would continue, please let me know.

It was said in the news conference Friday in response to a question during the Q and A. I could find it for you in the replay, but I’m sure you are as capable as I of doing that. 

Edited to add:  I’m feeling generous today, so here is the link to the news conference. You can find the response at about the 45 minute mark. Elder Larry Y. Wilson, General Authority Seventy, is the speaker. 

https://www.ksl.com/article/46534968/salt-lake-temple-to-close-in-december-2019-will-remain-closed-for-4-years

Edited April 21, 2019 by Scott Lloyd

[longview]

What are the odds for the Open House attracting 3 million visitors?   How long will that take?   Will they run the event 24 hours each day from Monday thru Saturday for however many weeks?

[Calm]

1 hour ago, longview said:

What are the odds for the Open House attracting 3 million visitors?

What are you referring to?

Edited April 22, 2019 by Calm

[bluebell]

15 hours ago, longview said:

What are the odds for the Open House attracting 3 million visitors?   How long will that take?   Will they run the event 24 hours each day from Monday thru Saturday for however many weeks?

Depending on how long it lasts and what time of the year it happens, I think the odds could be fairly good.  Having the temple open for nonmembers especially to tour will be an amazing opportunity for many people in the SL valley who have been aware of the temple for years but never believed they would get a chance to go inside.  It will probably get a lot of attention.

[Duncan]

42 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Depending on how long it lasts and what time of the year it happens, I think the odds could be fairly good.  Having the temple open for nonmembers especially to tour will be an amazing opportunity for many people in the SL valley who have been aware of the temple for years but never believed they would get a chance to go inside.  It will probably get a lot of attention.

I wonder if they will broadcast it like they did with Palmyra, Nauvoo and Winter Quarters Temples? That would be quite something!

[Analytics]

I'll say for the record that having the "formal entry point" underground with a glass roof that allows the people inside to see the temple without blocking the view was an inspired architectural decision.

[Calm]

Did someone make a claim of 3 million for the open house?  The only reference I saw to that number was yearly visitors to temple square. 

[member10_1]

On 4/19/2019 at 7:26 PM, MiserereNobis said:

The article quotes someone as saying this:

I don't mean to be the party pooper, but that ain't gonna happen. Renovation and remodeling isn't going to make someone think of Salt Lake City as a heart of Christianity. Most people don't even think you're Christian to begin with. The Vatican is thought of as a heart of Christianity because it is the home of the largest Christian denomination (1.3 billion members) and the longest functioning international institution (the papacy). Jerusalem, because, yeah. But Salt Lake City?

I'm definitely interested in the open house. I'd love to get a tour. Do you think they will offer tours of the whole building? The assembly halls, presidency meeting chambers, etc?

😊 As a lifelong member I’ve always been fascinated by our sometimes comical lack of self-awareness. Reminds me of this quote from Church’s press release regarding the Prophet’s meeting with the Pope: 

“Elder Alessandro Dini-Ciacci, a local leader in Rome, also attended the meeting. ‘How inspiring it was for me to witness two of the leaders of the leading faiths in the world meet together and share brotherhood,’ he said.” (https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/prophet-meets-pope-francis-vatican)

Leading faiths? Let’s not be silly. There was one leading faith represented in that meeting, and its leader didn’t travel for the meeting or draw attention to its occurrence.

[ksfisher]

36 minutes ago, member10_1 said:

😊 As a lifelong member I’ve always been fascinated by our sometimes comical lack of self-awareness. Reminds me of this quote from Church’s press release regarding the Prophet’s meeting with the Pope: 

“Elder Alessandro Dini-Ciacci, a local leader in Rome, also attended the meeting. ‘How inspiring it was for me to witness two of the leaders of the leading faiths in the world meet together and share brotherhood,’ he said.” (https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/prophet-meets-pope-francis-vatican)

Leading faiths? Let’s not be silly. There was one leading faith represented in that meeting, and its leader didn’t travel for the meeting or draw attention to its occurrence.

Wouldn't you consider the faith that is led by Jesus Christ to be a leading faith?

[MiserereNobis]

32 minutes ago, ksfisher said:

Wouldn't you consider the faith that is led by Jesus Christ to be a leading faith?

So you agree that Catholicism is led by Christ, then? That would be the logical conclusion of your reasoning and the quote 😊

[Scott Lloyd]

5 hours ago, Duncan said:

I wonder if they will broadcast it like they did with Palmyra, Nauvoo and Winter Quarters Temples? That would be quite something!

I should think that more than likely. 

[Scott Lloyd]

4 hours ago, Analytics said:

I'll say for the record that having the "formal entry point" underground with a glass roof that allows the people inside to see the temple without blocking the view was an inspired architectural decision.

But not a particularly new one. The Provo City Center Temple has a similar arrangement. 

[longview]

5 hours ago, Calm said:

Did someone make a claim of 3 million for the open house?  The only reference I saw to that number was yearly visitors to temple square. 

No one did.  I was reading a link provided in this thread and noticed that the record for Open House attendance is at 750,000 (if I remember right).  With the tremendous reverence many have for this magnificent edifice, I was thinking we could beat the record a few times over.  I believe 3 million is reachable.  Why not?

[Calm]

4 hours ago, longview said:

No one did.  I was reading a link provided in this thread and noticed that the record for Open House attendance is at 750,000 (if I remember right).  With the tremendous reverence many have for this magnificent edifice, I was thinking we could beat the record a few times over.  I believe 3 million is reachable.  Why not?

Thanks for explaining, I wasn't following your line of thought.

[Avatar4321]

On 4/19/2019 at 9:26 PM, MiserereNobis said:

The article quotes someone as saying this:

I don't mean to be the party pooper, but that ain't gonna happen. Renovation and remodeling isn't going to make someone think of Salt Lake City as a heart of Christianity. Most people don't even think you're Christian to begin with. The Vatican is thought of as a heart of Christianity because it is the home of the largest Christian denomination (1.3 billion members) and the longest functioning international institution (the papacy). Jerusalem, because, yeah. But Salt Lake City?

I'm definitely interested in the open house. I'd love to get a tour. Do you think they will offer tours of the whole building? The assembly halls, presidency meeting chambers, etc?

No the renovations by themselves won't do that but I suspect the Lord will act in the meantime. Something is afoot in the Church. I'm excited to see it

[Avatar4321]

On 4/21/2019 at 11:18 AM, webbles said:

The St. George temple has an Assembly Room.  It is above the floor where all the sealing rooms are.  Unfortunately, no one can visit it because it is not safe.  I hope that with the renovations done, they'll make it usable again.

And it appears that all of the "pioneer temples" have assembly halls.  This blog post (http://thetrumpetstone.blogspot.com/2010/11/lds-temple-assembly-halls.html) shows pictures from St. George, Manti, and Logan.

Washington Dc has an assembly room as well but it be inconvenient to meet there

[Avatar4321]

10 hours ago, member10_1 said:

😊 As a lifelong member I’ve always been fascinated by our sometimes comical lack of self-awareness. Reminds me of this quote from Church’s press release regarding the Prophet’s meeting with the Pope: 

“Elder Alessandro Dini-Ciacci, a local leader in Rome, also attended the meeting. ‘How inspiring it was for me to witness two of the leaders of the leading faiths in the world meet together and share brotherhood,’ he said.” (https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/prophet-meets-pope-francis-vatican)

Leading faiths? Let’s not be silly. There was one leading faith represented in that meeting, and its leader didn’t travel for the meeting or draw attention to its occurrence.

Actually, it's our self awareness that allows us to make statements like those.

we know whose church we are and who we belong to

[Scott Lloyd]

1 hour ago, Avatar4321 said:

Washington Dc has an assembly room as well but it be inconvenient to meet there

As does the (restored) Nauvoo Temple. I suppose one was put in there as an homage to the original Nauvoo Temple finished in 1846 and then abandoned as the Latter-day Saints were driven out of Illinois and went west to found Salt Lake City. 

I vaguely remember hearing that the temple in Los Angeles has an assembly room. I may be wrong on that. 

Edited April 23, 2019 by Scott Lloyd

[Kenngo1969]

 

18 hours ago, member10_1 said:

😊 As a lifelong member I’ve always been fascinated by our sometimes comical lack of self-awareness. Reminds me of this quote from Church’s press release regarding the Prophet’s meeting with the Pope: 

“Elder Alessandro Dini-Ciacci, a local leader in Rome, also attended the meeting. ‘How inspiring it was for me to witness two of the leaders of the leading faiths in the world meet together and share brotherhood,’ he said.” (https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/prophet-meets-pope-francis-vatican)

Leading faiths? Let’s not be silly. There was one leading faith represented in that meeting, and its leader didn’t travel for the meeting or draw attention to its occurrence.

Well, at least you have seen fit (for reasons which are, no doubt, inexplicable to all of the benighted masses) to grace us with your stellar presence.  Ah, well.  Perhaps Elder Dini-Ciacci's plainly, self-evidently ignorant remark* can be chalked up to that ol' Utah provincialism rearing its ugly head yet again.  Oh ...   Wait ...

*Or perhaps Elder Dini-Ciacci isn't using the word the same way you think he's using it.  Nahhhhhhh!   That couldn't be.

Edited April 23, 2019 by Kenngo1969

[member10_1]

20 hours ago, ksfisher said:

Wouldn't you consider the faith that is led by Jesus Christ to be a leading faith?

 

10 hours ago, Avatar4321 said:

Actually, it's our self awareness that allows us to make statements like those.

we know whose church we are and who we belong to

Well, I don’t think our faith qualifies our as a leading faith in the world since such a trivial proportion of the world shares our beliefs (including the belief that Jesus leads our church). We’re 0.2% of the world population. There’s no meaningful comparison to a faith like Roman Catholicism, which is the faith of 16% the world population.  

[ksfisher]

25 minutes ago, member10_1 said:

Well, I don’t think our faith qualifies our as a leading faith in the world since such a trivial proportion of the world shares our beliefs (including the belief that Jesus leads our church). We’re 0.2% of the world population. There’s no meaningful comparison to a faith like Roman Catholicism, which is the faith of 16% the world population.  

That's the context through which you are interpreting the quote about the Church being a leading faith.  You're counting total numbers.

Is it the context through which the person quoted was making the remark? 

I would say that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the leading faith in the world as it is the only church authorized by the Savior to act in His name and lead God's children back to Him.

    

     15 And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone forth, behold, an host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, Alas, my master! how shall we do?

     16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.

     17 And Elisha prayed, and said, Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

     2 Kings 6

[MiserereNobis]

6 minutes ago, ksfisher said:

I would say that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the leading faith in the world as it is the only church authorized by the Savior to act in His name and lead God's children back to Him.

But the problem with this, as I pointed out in my earlier response, is that he didn't call the LDS church the leading faith. He called both the LDS church and the Catholic church leadings faiths. That means if you interpret the LDS church as a leading faith because it is led by Christ, then you also have to grant the same to the Catholic church, since it was also called, in the same breath, a leading faith.

And if you suggest that "leading faith" means led by Christ when applied to the LDS church and "leading faith" means overall total numbers when applied to the Catholic church, then you are using the logical fallacy of equivocation since they are both called leading in the same sentence without any clarification. A person who make such a statement, using two different definitions of a word within the same sentence, would be quite deceptive.

No, the clear interpretation is that the person who said it believes that the LDS church is on the same playing field as the Catholic church.

[member10_1]

56 minutes ago, ksfisher said:

That's the context through which you are interpreting the quote about the Church being a leading faith.  You're counting total numbers.

Is it the context through which the person quoted was making the remark? 

I would say that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the leading faith in the world as it is the only church authorized by the Savior to act in His name and lead God's children back to Him.

    

     15 And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone forth, behold, an host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, Alas, my master! how shall we do?

     16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.

     17 And Elisha prayed, and said, Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

     2 Kings 6

Okay...then what makes Roman Catholicism a leading faith? 

[Calm]

"Leading" is given, imo, as being significant, but what is that significance is not specified.  It could be leading by giving teachings of great spiritual value to the world, whether or not the world chooses to hear it.