I just wanted to say

[Calm]

23 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

I admit I never read the original list because I got the gyst early. Couldn’t finish this one cuz honestly  Calm your response was just depressing as all hail.  

i cant wait to go home, sit on the toilet in whatever state it’s in and chill with my imperfect husband. 

Yep, that kind of humor really doesn't work in general because it is dismissive of the other as an individual.  Those who use it need to be on the receiving end it seems to figure out there is not a lot of humour there.  Just passive aggressiveness.  And it takes no intelligence to play that type of game.

Edited November 16, 2018 by Calm

[Stargazer]

8 minutes ago, Calm said:

Humor instead of logic....how predictable.

Uh, I think humor was its entire purpose, actually. Logic would have dictated that he not share the list at all, given that some would take it too seriously. Most of that list doesn't match my outlook (e.g. for me, NASCAR is ****), but even I still saw the humor.

Humor relies upon exaggeration and its opposite, minimization, along with a dollop of truth, and a few drops of fiction. Stating cold, hard facts is almost never funny.

[Calm]

52 minutes ago, pogi said:

Well, that is one sexes perspective anyway , which just reinforces rule #1

 

 

 

 

Nope, Physics rules whether we admit it or not.

https://www.self.com/story/toilet-plume-poop-spray

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Toilet plume is a term for what happens when the force of flushing sprays microscopic particles of pee, poop, and whatever else is in the bowl into the air. “‘[This plume] is easily transmitted in a wide range of air space when you flush the toilet,” Kelly Reynolds, Ph.D., an associate professor of environmental and occupational health at the University of Arizona who has studied toilet plume, tells SELF.

 

Edited November 16, 2018 by Calm

[Stargazer]

8 minutes ago, Calm said:

Well, my grandmother would even tell us "you know I am right" until we agreed with " yes, you are right".

But then my dad...having her example...was constantly telling us "you don't have to reinvent the wheel", his way of saying " father knows best".  And then he would get frustrated we were too nervous to try something without his support or when some of us returned to the nest when we were unable to solve our own problems because he hadn't given us the opportunity to experiment on our own before reality hit (thank goodness, God doesn't operate that way).

From what I have seen, that level of arrogance or self centeredness is nongender specific.

And he typical response is to insist, perhaps silently, the person is wrong...thus ending up with the opposite response that one wants.

Yep!

[Calm]

11 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

Stating cold, hard facts is almost never funny.

Life is absurd at heart.  There is humor everywhere, no need to force it.  No need to resort to ridicule of others.

Think of the probiscus monkey:

https://www.monkeyworlds.com/proboscis-monkey/

Or the term "toilet plume".

Edited November 16, 2018 by Calm

[Calm]

42 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

My dad taught me that. He said "always close the black hole of Calcutta!" I still leave it open part of the time, but having inadvertantly sat on a gaping, cold, porcelain edge from time to time (or, as @Calm puts it, had a "bum dip," ROFL), I try to make sure the ring, at least, is down.

And your bum and your wife's bum most likely thank you immensely for that.

[mfbukowski]

2 hours ago, katherine the great said:

Stupidest argument ever.

Hey honey! You're a big boy! Learn to work the garage door! If I leave it open when I go to work just get over it! The cupboard doors? Yeah, I like them open all the time--you close them! Your desk  and dresser drawers? Leave em open baby!

Toilet seats belong closed--all the way. Unless you clean it before and after you use it, keep it closed at all times. No one wants to see inside a toilet.

Pretty impossible for guys.

You have to aim somewhere. 

 

[mfbukowski]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

But even so, I have never complained even after a middle of the night bum dip in cold water because I didn't notice the seat up. 

Then you also would have not noticed if it was down "all the way"

And it still would be ugly if it was not fully covered and only partially up.

You still gotta check either way.  

Edited November 16, 2018 by mfbukowski

[mfbukowski]

44 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

I understand the humor because my loving and beloved late wife seemed to truly believe "the female is always right" thing. I think she would even have admitted to it. And for all I know she might even have been right about it, in her case. It doesn't make our relationship any less celestial to admit that we have faults.

Every individual has their own "thing". 

And I've met men who couldn't admit they were wrong about anything, too. It's a common failing.

And even as we see here, when mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. 

Oh man that one is going to leave a bruise when it hits.  

But I'm getting used to it.

 

 

Edited November 16, 2018 by mfbukowski

[mfbukowski]

49 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

I understand the humor because my loving and beloved late wife seemed to truly believe "the female is always right" thing. I think she would even have admitted to it. And for all I know she might even have been right about it, in her case. It doesn't make our relationship any less celestial to admit that we have faults.

We are weird.  Even our disagreements bring us closer. Being from Mars and hanging out with a Venusian takes a lot of back and forth to get communication perfected.

But I am convinced most of the plan of salvation is about learning how to communicate with the other half of humanity to become one flesh.

We are not the same precisely for that reason.  I actually believe that gender is an essential part of who we are as beings and we are to have complimentary roles and learn to understand each other's differences which should be obvious.

I guess that doesn't work too well hereabouts though.  I have a testimony of the Proclamation- if others don't that's their privilege.  I even liked Elder Oaks talk- that's how radical I am!!

Almost like my past in being a friend and student of Angela Davis!    Well ok a little different....   but not in spirit.

We need to make that talk into a booklet we can all hold up like the little red book. 

 

Edited November 16, 2018 by mfbukowski

[Calm]

6 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

And even as we see here, when mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. 

Oh man that one is going to leave a bruise when it hits.  

But I'm getting used to it.

 

 

And if papa ain’t  happy, ain’t nobody happy. 

And if daughter ain’t  happy, ain’t nobody happy. 

And if son ain’t  happy, ain’t nobody happy. 

That is the way families work. 

[JAHS]

32 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

Uh, I think humor was its entire purpose, actually. Logic would have dictated that he not share the list at all, given that some would take it too seriously. Most of that list doesn't match my outlook (e.g. for me, NASCAR is ****), but even I still saw the humor.

Humor relies upon exaggeration and its opposite, minimization, along with a dollop of truth, and a few drops of fiction. Stating cold, hard facts is almost never funny.

This is exactly why I shared it.  I didn't make up the lists.  These have been around for decades. 

[Calm]

14 minutes ago, JAHS said:

This is exactly why I shared it.  I didn't make up the lists.  These have been around for decades. 

And other type of jokes repeated for the hundredth time usually aren’t viewed as that funny. 

The purpose of humor is not always a moment of laughter. 

JAHS, .I have no problem believing you yourself shared it for the purpose of humor.  It is the 99 other times I have seen it that concern me.

Edited November 16, 2018 by Calm

[Stargazer]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

 

I am suddenly reminded of my late wife and the little booklet she prepared for me before she passed away. A few months before her passing I had asked her what she wanted me to do when she was gone. Unbeknownst to me, she wrote it all up, and I didn't discover it until I was going through her things a number of months later. No instructions concerning the toilet seat, but plenty of practical suggestions about keeping things clean and tidy around the house, along with some other matters that she felt I needed to watch out for. She knew me well! It is one of my most precious possessions.

[Calm]

1 hour ago, Stargazer said:

I understand the humor because my loving and beloved late wife seemed to truly believe "the female is always right" thing. I think she would even have admitted to it. And for all I know she might even have been right about it, in her case. It doesn't make our relationship any less celestial to admit that we have faults.

Every individual has their own "thing". 

And I've met men who couldn't admit they were wrong about anything, too. It's a common failing.

I just want to add I have no problem with addressing an individual's characteristics with humor at times, especially if we are teasing ourselves rather than others.  Goodness knows we cousins sharing Grandma's unique ways with laughter is more enjoyable than the tears they sometimes deserve.  My problem with ridiculing/critical humor arises when such are applied to a whole category of people be it females, males, seniors, youth, disabled, jocks, black, white, brown, whatever.

[pogi]

40 minutes ago, Calm said:

Nope, Physics rules whether we admit it or not.

https://www.self.com/story/toilet-plume-poop-spray

That is a new take!  I don't think that is what most women have in mind when they ask their husbands to close the toilet...  I don't think they really care if we close it before or after we flush, they just want it closed.  

Physics may rule, but it doesn't set the rules.  From the article:

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Yes, toilet water sprays when you flush, and yes, that water contains germs. So does basically everything else on the planet. [That is how we build immunity - it's good for you!]

Before you consider abandoning toilets and just pooping outside, know that there’s no solid proof toilet plume will make you sick.

This is likely because the concentration of these pathogens in the air would need to be higher in order to reliably get people sick, Amesh A. Adalja, M.D., a board-certified infectious disease physician and affiliated scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, tells SELF.

This is especially true because of changes in toilet production. The Federal Energy Policy Act of 1992 ruled that toilets sold in the United States could flush a maximum 6 liters at a time, which can generate less plume than the previously allowed 11 to 13 liters of liquid, according to a 2013 study in Aerosol Science and Technology. Also, modern toilets typically use a submerged jet to suck away waste, which produces less toilet plume than older models that release water from the toilet rim, says the 2015 review. Some modern toilets are also high-efficiency, so they flush as little as possible, or dual-flush, so you can choose a lower- or higher-flush volume based on whether you peed or pooped.

 

 

 

[Calm]

7 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

I am suddenly reminded of my late wife and the little booklet she prepared for me before she passed away. A few months before her passing I had asked her what she wanted me to do when she was gone. Unbeknownst to me, she wrote it all up, and I didn't discover it until I was going through her things a number of months later. No instructions concerning the toilet seat, but plenty of practical suggestions about keeping things clean and tidy around the house, along with some other matters that she felt I needed to watch out for. She knew me well! It is one of my most precious possessions.

Individual humor that demonstrates someone knows you to your core and loves you anyway or has enough self awareness to recognize personal lacks and understand how difficult it is at times for their loved ones to deal with them....that can be a wonderful expression of love.  Treating someone as a generic, same as every other product on the shelf....not so loving.

[Calm]

7 minutes ago, pogi said:

That is a new take!  I don't think that is what most women have in mind when they ask their husbands to close the toilet...  I don't think they really care if we close it before or after we flush, they just want it closed.  

Physics may rule, but it doesn't set the rules.  From the article:

 

 

Whether or not it makes someone sick, it is disgusting for most people thinking you are brushing your teeth with feces, I am guessing,.

I have seen it referred to in a couple of TV shows and I don't watch sitcoms, so I don't think it is all that new.

I have to go wash myself after my dog licks me seeing I have seen her lick her butt even more.

It may be an obsession on my part, but I am thinking once it registers with someone it might be hard to forget.

Edited November 17, 2018 by Calm

[MustardSeed]

1 minute ago, Calm said:

Whether or not it makes someone sick, it is disgusting for most people thinking you are brushing your teeth with feces, I am guessing,.

Pooppaste.  Yummmmm. 

 

[Calm]

3 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

Pooppaste.  Yummmmm. 

 

Oh man, I am feeling the urge to go throw out all of my toothbrushes again...even the ones in the drawer.

[Scott Lloyd]

On 11/15/2018 at 9:51 PM, Rain said:

Serious question. Why are you reacting in this way? Was there something she specifically said that gave you the impression that men are to blame?

I think it was Mark Twain who said that a joke is like a frog in that when you try to dissect it, it dies. 

[juliann]

On 11/16/2018 at 1:49 PM, Calm said:

I have never understood the humor of this type of joke.  It is so demeaning of the men and of the women and is so uncharitable to a relationship that is supposed to be celestial for church members.

Tropes that target women used to be cute. Now they are seen for what they are. It is a window into the soul of anyone who could find this funny when the problems with have been so well explained. 

The toilet lid thoughtlessness begs the question. There is no reason for men to be standing in front of anything but a urinal. I think the only reason such an unhygienic practice has been allowed is because it is usually women cleaning up after them. It’s a gross learned habit where the convenience of the male is given priority over those who have to deal with the results. For heaven’s sake, think of others and sit down. 

[bluebell]

1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said:

I think it was Mark Twain who said that a joke is like a frog in that when you try to dissect it, it dies. 

Sometimes jokes should die.  That seems to be how you feel about Utah jokes, for example.

[AdultConvert]

In my ward, mostly women share testimony even though fairly equal number of males/females in membership.  We have mostly families with very few retirees.  Children far outnumber adults. In fact, so many adults are needed in Primary that usually only a dozen in SS and half dozen in RS. (A number of adults serve in Stake callings so not present about one Sunday a month for Ward/Branch Conferences. We only have 5 wards and 8 branches in Stake). It is more likely for a YW to share testimony than YM (YM rarely do).  We even have primary children (age 7+) on occasion and they are impressive.  Not some memorized phrases learned in Primary but well-thought out inspiring presentations.  Once in a while a misguided parent (usually mother) will bring a toddler to the pulpit to share a testimony usually parroting what is whispered in toddler's ear. Few can understand the gibberish but Mom is soooo proud. 

I haven't noticed any women prefacing their comments with "I just want to say."  Maybe it's a cultural thing to region you live.  About half of the adults are native to this nonMormon state (maybe 2nd/3rd generation members) and half are what we call "imports" from Mormon Country. SS teachers are equally male/female.

 

We do have a few specific male attendees 🤓 in SS who always have a number of comments and present as an expert on every topic (a bit annoying).  Maybe those are imports from your ward. 😉

[carbon dioxide]

On 11/15/2018 at 9:17 PM, MustardSeed said:

In my large ward, testimonies are shared mostly only by men. 

That is the opposite in our ward.  It is the women who do most of the testimonies.