ALarson Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) I was just talking to my son about conference and he told me his wife and a large group of women in their ward are refusing to participate in the 10-day fast and feel it's horrible that only the women were asked to do this. I was pretty shocked to hear this because my daughter-in-law is in the YW's presidency and is very active in the ward. My son told me that there are other groups of women choosing not to do the fast in his area as well (according to his wife). And....they are posting more than their usual instagram posts and facebook posts, etc., starting today in protest. I honestly can see why women may wonder why the men weren't asked to give up social media for 10 days too, but I did not realize some would feel so strongly about it! Now, these are all younger marrieds (the age of my daughter-in-law) as far as I know who are very active in the church. Do you feel they are within their rights to do this? It's a touchy topic, I know.... Edited October 8, 2018 by ALarson 2
Jane_Doe Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 You have the right to do whatever you want. Heck, Christ Himself could tell you to do something, and you have the right to say 'no' and take the consequences with it. It's called agency. Now as the the whole "feel it's horrible that only the women were asked to do this"-- did they miss the part where the youth were asked to do the same thing just a few months ago? Anyone in the YW presidency would know this, so it's a very groundless complaint. 3
ALarson Posted October 8, 2018 Author Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) One other thing my son told me was that in the discussions between these women, they were also not happy that there were so many men speaking at the Women's Session and that they wanted to hear more from their sisters in leadership. They also expressed that they feel the new presidency is very out of touch with the real issues and problems that the younger generations are dealing with and concerned over.....they were hoping for more than just hearing how important it is not to use the word "Mormon" as an identity anymore (which they "know" will still be used). Of course, my son and I then talked about other messages from conference that I felt were great.....but, he said the takeaway by these sisters was that these were old men who were out of touch (and that the 10-fast for women was "sexist"). Edited October 8, 2018 by ALarson 4
Jane_Doe Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 There are some people who are just unhappy on whatever is done. I don't know if these ladies that we're hearing about via the grapevine count in the boat, and I have no way of knowing. For me (and yes I am a Millennial woman), conference was very much on point, especially Elder Anderson's talk on wounded souls. I can take inspiration and wisdom from folks of all genders and ages. 4
Popular Post bluebell Posted October 8, 2018 Popular Post Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) I think it’s within their right. I also think it’s kind of silly Have they considered that Elder Nelson might be planning on asking the men to do a media fast when he speaks to them in the spring? We’re any of them complaining it wasn’t fair that Pres. Nelson only asked the youth to do a fast but not the adults this summer? I really struggle with people who jump to “protest!” whenever the prophet does something they don’t like. I hope your daughter in law is able to do her protest without her YW finding out. I would struggle with a leader who did that if they were leading my children. Edited October 8, 2018 by bluebell 11
Popular Post katherine the great Posted October 8, 2018 Popular Post Posted October 8, 2018 Well this is certainly separating the sheep from the goats! Seriously though, this is kind of silly. This isn't a commandment; its an invitation. Of course women are "within their rights" to reject the invitation but its kind of much ado about nothing. Nowhere does he command us and nowhere does he say "Do this right now"! We can do it today or next month or never! This is what President Nelson actually said: “First, I invite you to participate in a 10-day fast from social media and from any other media that bring negative and impure thoughts to your mind. Pray to know which influences to remove during your fast. The effect of your 10-day fast may surprise you. What do you notice after taking a break from perspectives of the world that have been wounding your spirit? Is there a change in where you now want to spend your time and energy? Have any of your priorities shifted—even just a little? I urge you to record and follow through with each impression.” 8
ALarson Posted October 8, 2018 Author Posted October 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, bluebell said: I hope your daughter in law is able to do her protest without her YW finding out. I would struggle with a leader who did that if they were leading my children. I agree and I did express this to my son (I haven't spoken to my daughter-in-law regarding this and don't know that I will....). I told him my opinion is that it wasn't "mandatory" and just a challenge if they chose to participate. But, that I hope she doesn't discuss her feelings around any of the youth in the ward. That would be wrong to do, IMO as she has great influence over them as their leader. 2
pogi Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 This just sounds to me like a bunch of addicts in denial. 3
JulieM Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, ALarson said: I was just talking to my son about conference and he told me his wife and a large group of women in their ward are refusing to participate in the 10-day fast and feel it's horrible that only the women were asked to do this. I was pretty shocked to hear this because my daughter-in-law is in the YW's presidency and is very active in the ward. My son told me that there are other groups of women choosing not to do the fast in his area as well (according to his wife). And....they are posting more than their usual instagram posts and facebook posts, etc., starting today in protest. I honestly can see why women may wonder why the men weren't asked to give up social media for 10 days too, but I did not realize some would feel so strongly about it! Now, these are all younger marrieds (the age of my daughter-in-law) as far as I know who are very active in the church. Do you feel they are within their rights to do this? It's a touchy topic, I know.... Yes, I’m hearing complaining and rumblings about this too. I’m also still seeing quite a number of social media posts today from active sisters in my ward. I’m going to cut back my online activity but don’t know about a strict full fledged “fast”. Does this site count??? Edited October 8, 2018 by JulieM
JulieM Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, pogi said: This just sounds to me like a bunch of addicts in denial. Well some feel it’s silly to ask the wife to do this but not the husband (or women and not the men). Many actually share their social media accounts (Instagram, FaceBook and so on).
Avatar4321 Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, JulieM said: Yes, I’m hearing complaining and rumblings about this too. I’m also still seeing quite a number of social media posts today from active sisters in my ward. I’m going to cut back my online activity but don’t know about a strict full fledged “fast”. Does this site count??? I don’t consider message board social media but I don’t know that it wouldn’t benefit some. pray for your own instruction. im not even a sister and I decided yon join the fast. I particularly want to let go of twitter before the election. Not really on Facebook that much. All I use YouTube for is mostly music
Avatar4321 Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, JulieM said: Well some feel it’s silly to ask the wife to do this but not the husband (or women and not the men). Many actually share their social media accounts (Instagram, FaceBook and so on). Maybe it is, but wouldn’t it be prudent to follow the Prophets counsel even if you think it is? i doubt it will hurt anyone 2
Duncan Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 One thing to keep in mind, he said "social media" not necessarily technology i.e looking up the bus schedule, skip the dishes etc. 1
pogi Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, JulieM said: Well some feel it’s silly to ask the wife to do this but not the husband (or women and not the men). Many actually share their social media accounts (Instagram, FaceBook and so on). That is exactly what an addict would say Edited October 8, 2018 by pogi
smac97 Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 48 minutes ago, ALarson said: I was just talking to my son about conference and he told me his wife and a large group of women in their ward are refusing to participate in the 10-day fast and feel it's horrible that only the women were asked to do this. I was pretty shocked to hear this because my daughter-in-law is in the YW's presidency and is very active in the ward. My son told me that there are other groups of women choosing not to do the fast in his area as well (according to his wife). And....they are posting more than their usual instagram posts and facebook posts, etc., starting today in protest. I honestly can see why women may wonder why the men weren't asked to give up social media for 10 days too, but I did not realize some would feel so strongly about it! Now, these are all younger marrieds (the age of my daughter-in-law) as far as I know who are very active in the church. Do you feel they are within their rights to do this? It's a touchy topic, I know.... "Horrible." That seems rather overwrought. -Smac
smac97 Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 38 minutes ago, ALarson said: One other thing my son told me was that in the discussions between these women, they were also not happy that there were so many men speaking at the Women's Session and that they wanted to hear more from their sisters in leadership. This sort of nose-counting doesn't seem helpful. 38 minutes ago, ALarson said: They also expressed that they feel the new presidency is very out of touch with the real issues and problems that the younger generations are dealing with and concerned over.....they were hoping for more than just hearing how important it is not to use the word "Mormon" as an identity anymore (which they "know" will still be used). Of course, my son and I then talked about other messages from conference that I felt were great.....but, he said the takeaway by these sisters was that these were old men who were out of touch (and that the 10-fast for women was "sexist"). Again, overwrought. -Smac 1
Popular Post The Nehor Posted October 8, 2018 Popular Post Posted October 8, 2018 Maybe I am old-fashioned but I believe if you are going to apostasize you should at least do it over a doctrinal difference, a fun sin, or at least something interesting. This is just lazy. 6
Gray Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 44 minutes ago, ALarson said: One other thing my son told me was that in the discussions between these women, they were also not happy that there were so many men speaking at the Women's Session and that they wanted to hear more from their sisters in leadership. They also expressed that they feel the new presidency is very out of touch with the real issues and problems that the younger generations are dealing with and concerned over.....they were hoping for more than just hearing how important it is not to use the word "Mormon" as an identity anymore (which they "know" will still be used). Of course, my son and I then talked about other messages from conference that I felt were great.....but, he said the takeaway by these sisters was that these were old men who were out of touch (and that the 10-fast for women was "sexist"). My wife felt that the women's session was underfocusing on Christ, over-focusing on shaming women for not having enough kids, and over-dominated by men. 1
Nacho2dope Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 I am not sure if this has been asked, but were they offended when President Nelson asked the youth to do a 7 day social media fast in June? I personally didn't see or hear of anyone being offended by that except for some of the youth that didn't want to give up their phones. Will they be offended when President Nelson ask the men to do a 20 day fast in April?
stemelbow Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 Social media is just sharing content, conversation on the web. Quote : forms of electronic communication (such as websites for social networking and microblogging) through which users create online communities to share information, ideas, personal messages, and other content (such as videos) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/social media Women who have looked at this site and have posted have also participated in social media. Why on earth would anyone hold it against another who says he/she will not accept the invite for the fast while participating in social media? I"m not encouraging anyone to participate in the fast, but I am curious.
The Nehor Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 Just now, stemelbow said: Social media is just sharing content, conversation on the web. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/social media Women who have looked at this site and have posted have also participated in social media. Why on earth would anyone hold it against another who says he/she will not accept the invite for the fast while participating in social media? I"m not encouraging anyone to participate in the fast, but I am curious. Simple. I was not invited to participate. If I were I would probably now be curled up in a ball in a corner suffering from cold sweats and shaking as I go through the joys of detox. 2
Avatar4321 Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 Also, if they were upset that the men weren’t invited to fast too, why not invite their husbands to join them?
Avatar4321 Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Simple. I was not invited to participate. If I were I would probably now be curled up in a ball in a corner suffering from cold sweats and shaking as I go through the joys of detox. Aren’t you usually doing that anyway? 4
bluebell Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 38 minutes ago, JulieM said: Yes, I’m hearing complaining and rumblings about this too. I’m also still seeing quite a number of social media posts today from active sisters in my ward. I’m going to cut back my online activity but don’t know about a strict full fledged “fast”. Does this site count??? I'm not starting my fast until later in the week, but I'll count this site as part of it.
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