Speculations for General Conference

[mfbukowski]

17 minutes ago, Gray said:

The adjective "Christologist" will offcially replace the word "Mormon" or "Latter-day Saint".

[mfbukowski]

14 minutes ago, rongo said:

And "Christscientologist" for LDS scientists . . .  

Here's another one: an actual temple site in Russia will be announced, rather than simply that one is being announced for somewhere in Russia. 

It could be just a "temple sight", of a cardboard cutout of a picture of a temple placed somewhere in St Petersburg. 

[HappyJackWagon]

35 minutes ago, rongo said:

I think, based on the released statement, that President Nelson is going to ask members to work on eradicating any use of Mormon, Mormonism, LDS, etc. I don't think this was just calling attention to the style guide for the media and public figures. I think that we will hear a lot more about this than was contained in the statement. For example, Elder Anderson and Elder Christofferson (just this week at the MTC) talked more about this, and how it is going to hard for members, but we are in this for the long haul and not going to give up on it like we did in the past.

I think a long-term eradication program on the part of Mormons themselves is the goal. 

A 2 hour block would make my day!  

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints committed to a long-term eradication of Mormons? Who'd a thunk it?

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Scott Lloyd-

Number 2 is a fair point. Perhaps that is why the meeting is often called the "sacrament service."

But I still think you're barking up the wrong tree if you think the Brethren would consider even for a moment jettisoning the name or concept of the sacrament from the meeting.

I freely admit that this is wild speculation but changing the name of a meeting doesn't seem like an overly crazy idea to me.

They've gotten rid of PEC & ward welfare meetings. They've changed home/visiting teaching to ministering. They're getting rid of "Mormon" and "LDS".

Words seem to be very important to them so getting rid of "sacrament meeting" in favor of something that sounds more worshipful and God focused seems reasonable to me.

[e-eye]

somebody said, that somebody said, that one of our leaders recently said, that what we saw last conference was a snowflake compared to the blizzard of changes we have coming.

Who needs to wait for conference as it seems like small and simple changes are being made all the time now. 

[ksfisher]

2 hours ago, PacMan said:

Given the new Sunday School material that will implement a coordinated family and church curriculum, I'd expect a change to the Sunday School program.

We're supposed to have our orders into church distribution by Friday for next years teachers manuals.  I wouldn't make sense to print all the material, have wards order it, and then a month later make a change to the program. 

[LoudmouthMormon]

We know we're dumping scouts.  We have been light on info regarding what we're picking up instead.  

[rongo]

1 hour ago, HappyJackWagon said:

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints committed to a long-term eradication of Mormons? Who'd a thunk it?

Ha ha. Yes, that's been thought of a time or two, as well.   "On the part of Mormons" is what I said. I do think that this is where the Brethren are going to go with this, based on the public statement and comments by some of the Brethren after the statement. I think the eradication of terms like Mormon or Mormonism or LDS, etc. will be extremely difficult, but President Nelson invoking the revelation card kind of represents "burning the ships on the shore." 

LoudmouthMormon:

We know we're dumping scouts.  We have been light on info regarding what we're picking up instead. 

This brings up another thought. Has anyone else noticed the recent tendency to announce big changes without details, pointing to months down the road for the details and in some cases the actual computer logistics? I can think of

a) Scouting, as you mentioned. "We're getting out in 2020, which gives us time to develop a program. More details to follow."

b) the launch of ministering, which was announced on April 1 but rolled out in waves culminating in the ability to report interviews in August (with technical difficulties in some areas).

c) President Nelson's public statement on the name of the Church and Church members, which mentioned intensive preparation efforts and future details and instructions.

d) the November 2015 policy, which was originally a quiet online handbook update, then a hasty explanation after it was leaked, and then a more extensive explanation after the hasty reaction was criticized. This was rapidly sent to leaders worldwide. 

All in the last couple of years. These things don't give the impression that many things are thoroughly thought-out and "launch ready" or "shovel ready." It's interesting, because it seems to be a more recent phenomenon. 

[PacMan]

1 hour ago, ksfisher said:

We're supposed to have our orders into church distribution by Friday for next years teachers manuals.  I wouldn't make sense to print all the material, have wards order it, and then a month later make a change to the program. 

I am interested to know what you believe that you are ordering:

https://www.lds.org/church/news/church-announces-come-follow-me-for-home-sunday-school-and-primary?lang=eng

My personal speculation is that we will only meet once a month for Sunday School.  I think we will be asked to use that extra hour for family/home study and then bring what we learned to share in Sunday School when it is held.  This, however, is pure speculation.

Edited August 29, 2018 by PacMan

[HappyJackWagon]

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RONGO (I think you said this part)

This brings up another thought. Has anyone else noticed the recent tendency to announce big changes without details, pointing to months down the road for the details and in some cases the actual computer logistics? I can think of

a) Scouting, as you mentioned. "We're getting out in 2020, which gives us time to develop a program. More details to follow."

b) the launch of ministering, which was announced on April 1 but rolled out in waves culminating in the ability to report interviews in August (with technical difficulties in some areas).

c) President Nelson's public statement on the name of the Church and Church members, which mentioned intensive preparation efforts and future details and instructions.

d) the November 2015 policy, which was originally a quiet online handbook update, then a hasty explanation after it was leaked, and then a more extensive explanation after the hasty reaction was criticized. This was rapidly sent to leaders worldwide. 

All in the last couple of years. These things don't give the impression that many things are thoroughly thought-out and "launch ready" or "shovel ready." It's interesting, because it seems to be a more recent phenomenon. 

 All valid criticisms.

I'll just note that many businesses/corporations are moving this direction. My employer has adopted this as a new strategy and it's driving me nuts. The idea that things are changing so quickly organizations can't afford to wait until they have everything figured out before they do a rollout. I've seen it compared to updates on phone apps. We all get dozens of updates. Sometimes the same ap is updated multiple times in the same week, making small fixes as they go instead of waiting until ALL fixes are ready. It's kind of the opposite of taking a holistic approach. Roll out the big idea and then figure out the details, making adjustments along the way.

So we're kind of in the period where things get figured out on the fly. To me it feels chaotic, but it's kind of the new normal. I'm struggling adjusting to it as a workable philosophy, yet maybe it's the only way in the fast paced world

[carbon dioxide]

I think vending machines in ward buildings would be a good announcement.  It can bring in some money for the Church and we can get a snack between meetings if we are hungry.

[The Nehor]

3 hours ago, lostindc said:

It's a matter of time before women will have the priesthood and will be eligible to hold the highest of offices in the Church, same-sex marriage will be complete accepted and these couples will have full rights in the Church, acceptance of the original truth claims of the Church is no longer required, e.g. Joseph Smith was a prophet, and the amount of time required at Church will drop.

Can you give me a timetable on the “acceptance of original truth claims” bit because when that one hits I am leaving?

[The Nehor]

2 hours ago, Gray said:

The adjective "Christologist" will offcially replace the word "Mormon" or "Latter-day Saint".

I will support this one as long as the Church provides everyone with business cards this effect.

[ksfisher]

4 minutes ago, PacMan said:

I am interested to know what you believe that you are ordering:

https://www.lds.org/church/news/church-announces-come-follow-me-for-home-sunday-school-and-primary?lang=eng

 

Instructions for ordering 2019 curriculum were included in a letter from the First Presidency to ward leaders (and above) dated June 29, 2018.  The Sunday School portion I've pasted below

 

 

Sunday School

•

NEW

Come, Follow Me

—For Sunday School

for youth and adults (14716; NewTestament)

•

Gospel Principles

for investigators, new members, and members returning to activity

(06195)

 

The formatting is all messed up when I try and paste or I'd include more. 

As I said, orders should be in by Friday to insure that they're received by the new year.

[rongo]

6 minutes ago, HappyJackWagon said:

RONGO (I think you said this part)

I really can't stand how, when the board software screws up, you can't fix quote boxes. Sometimes, the last quote gets melded with the comment, and it can't be fixed by editing. Thanks for divining the comment from the quote!

All valid criticisms.

I'll just note that many businesses/corporations are moving this direction. My employer has adopted this as a new strategy and it's driving me nuts. The idea that things are changing so quickly organizations can't afford to wait until they have everything figured out before they do a rollout. I've seen it compared to updates on phone apps. We all get dozens of updates. Sometimes the same ap is updated multiple times in the same week, making small fixes as they go instead of waiting until ALL fixes are ready. It's kind of the opposite of taking a holistic approach. Roll out the big idea and then figure out the details, making adjustments along the way.

So we're kind of in the period where things get figured out on the fly. To me it feels chaotic, but it's kind of the new normal. I'm struggling adjusting to it as a workable philosophy, yet maybe it's the only way in the fast paced world

So, it's just current "best practices," huh?  

[rongo]

Like it just did in that one, too! Aaaaarrrrrgggghhhh. 

My comment was "So, it's just current "best practices," huh?  

[The Nehor]

9 minutes ago, carbon dioxide said:

I think vending machines in ward buildings would be a good announcement.  It can bring in some money for the Church and we can get a snack between meetings if we are hungry.

Brother Jones died today when the vending machine failed to properly provide his ordered Butterfinger. He shook the machine in a violent manner in order to induce it to drop but it instead tipped over and crushed him. Please pray for his family and we hope the ward leadership can soon call a new assistant Hymnbook Coordinator soon to replace our fallen brother. Funeral potato preparations are already underway.

Edited August 29, 2018 by The Nehor

[HappyJackWagon]

10 minutes ago, carbon dioxide said:

I think vending machines in ward buildings would be a good announcement.  It can bring in some money for the Church and we can get a snack between meetings if we are hungry.

It could pay for professional janitors!!

[lostindc]

2 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Can you give me a timetable on the “acceptance of original truth claims” bit because when that one hits I am leaving?

No

[e-eye]

2 hours ago, PacMan said:

I am interested to know what you believe that you are ordering:

https://www.lds.org/church/news/church-announces-come-follow-me-for-home-sunday-school-and-primary?lang=eng

My personal speculation is that we will only meet once a month for Sunday School.  I think we will be asked to use that extra hour for family/home study and then bring what we learned to share in Sunday School when it is held.  This, however, is pure speculation.

If we go to the 2 hour block I would say it's 50/50 split with two weeks of each 2/3rd hour.  

Although, I still lean more to this just being what members hope for I have heard a couple rumors that were more serious in regards to this.  Still not giving it too much credence yet.

More in home teaching - yes I think there will be an overhaul to FHE or some other in home teaching guide.  Maybe mixing up seminary for some areas that have release time where it would be online.  

 

[Avatar4321]

I don't have any idea what will be shared but i am confident of one thing: there will be an outpouring of the Spirit

[Avatar4321]

3 hours ago, carbon dioxide said:

I think vending machines in ward buildings would be a good announcement.  It can bring in some money for the Church and we can get a snack between meetings if we are hungry.

Is that in line with the sabbath?

[Prof]

14 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said:

Is that in line with the sabbath?

They would unplug it on fast Sunday.

[The Nehor]

2 hours ago, e-eye said:

If we go to the 2 hour block I would say it's 50/50 split with two weeks of each 2/3rd hour.  

Although, I still lean more to this just being what members hope for I have heard a couple rumors that were more serious in regards to this.  Still not giving it too much credence yet.

More in home teaching - yes I think there will be an overhaul to FHE or some other in home teaching guide.  Maybe mixing up seminary for some areas that have release time where it would be online.  

 

I have been hearing two hour block rumors for 20 years now. Does not mean it cannot happen. I am just not expecting it any time soon.

[tulip]

Just more ministering talks.   I can't even go the third hour anymore since it is ministering every week.   Can  we please have lesson about something else?

[Bernard Gui]

12 hours ago, Duncan said:

For one thing there will be no Priesthood session, due to the reduced sessions

Major bummer. One of my favorite things in the Church. Been going for 59 years.