phaedrus ut Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 I've noticed that Benjamin Park is currently at BYU as a visiting fellow at the Maxwell Institute . I have also noticed that he has quite a handsome beard. Is the Maxwell Institute exempt from the dress and grooming standards of the Honor Code? Just curious. Phaedrus
Kenngo1969 Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 I'm sure he'll be burned at the stake shortly. 1
phaedrus ut Posted June 13, 2018 Author Posted June 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said: I'm sure he'll be burned at the stake shortly. Considering his very obvious beard in the photos on the website I don't think I was outing him.
Amulek Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 39 minutes ago, phaedrus ut said: I've noticed that Benjamin Park is currently at BYU as a visiting fellow at the Maxwell Institute . I have also noticed that he has quite a handsome beard. Is the Maxwell Institute exempt from the dress and grooming standards of the Honor Code? Just curious. My understanding is that visiting professors can wear a beard, see here (emphasis added): Quote Full-time or part-time non-LDS faculty who are employed at BYU for one year or less may wear a beard, unless it is intended that they continue their employment with BYU for longer than one year. Since affiliate faculty, visiting scholars and cooperating professionals are not University employees, they are encouraged, but not required, to be clean shaven. If they plan on sticking around, however, they'll need to get a waiver. 1
CV75 Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 58 minutes ago, phaedrus ut said: I've noticed that Benjamin Park is currently at BYU as a visiting fellow at the Maxwell Institute . I have also noticed that he has quite a handsome beard. Is the Maxwell Institute exempt from the dress and grooming standards of the Honor Code? Just curious. Phaedrus I find that flash-in-the pan grooming fad quite gauche.
hope_for_things Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, phaedrus ut said: I've noticed that Benjamin Park is currently at BYU as a visiting fellow at the Maxwell Institute . I have also noticed that he has quite a handsome beard. Is the Maxwell Institute exempt from the dress and grooming standards of the Honor Code? Just curious. Phaedrus HAHAHAH!!!! The beard police are on MDDB, how funny, I had no idea. 1
Calm Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 He put a lot of effort into that beard, good that exceptions are made for non permanent professors, imo. Given the cultural aspect of the rule (as opposed to moral aspects of the Honor Code), I see no reason why exceptions shouldn't be made for beards. 3
Calm Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, hope_for_things said: HAHAHAH!!!! The beard police are on MDDB, how funny, I had no idea. Phadreus is nonLDS, I believe, so I suspect he is not policing, but just observing. Phadreus, my apologies if I overstated your situation...I got the impression that is what you consider yourself. I will be shocked if I find out you actually care about whether or not BYU lets men have beards in any significant way. I will definitely have to reread more posts if my memory is that off. Edited June 13, 2018 by Calm 1
phaedrus ut Posted June 13, 2018 Author Posted June 13, 2018 53 minutes ago, Amulek said: My understanding is that visiting professors can wear a beard, see here (emphasis added): If they plan on sticking around, however, they'll need to get a waiver. I assumed that was the case but I had never seen it during my short stint at BYU and the only exception I knew of was a beard card. Thanks.
Popular Post phaedrus ut Posted June 13, 2018 Author Popular Post Posted June 13, 2018 23 minutes ago, Calm said: Phadreus is nonLDS, I believe, so I suspect he is not policing, but just observing. Phadreus, my apologies if I overstated your situation...I got the impression that is what you consider yourself. I will be shocked if I find out you actually care about whether or not BYU lets men have beards in any significant way. I will definitely have to reread more posts if my memory is that off. I resigned after the 2015 policy change but consider myself culturally Mormon in many ways. I don't have any supernatural beliefs but I find they study of Mormonism and religion in general fascinating. I've been posting here since 2004 and I'm one of the few critical voices to last that long so I can't be all that bad. I don't specifically care about beards at BYU, I was just curious. I predict they will lift the ban on beards in 2042 when mainstream fashion has all men clean shaven so nobody will really notice. Phaedrus 5
Scott Lloyd Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 I noticed Blair Hodges retained his beard when he went to work for the institute. Maybe there’s a special dispensation at play here. Or maybe policies have changed.
6EQUJ5 Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: I noticed Blair Hodges retained his beard when he went to work for the institute. Maybe there’s a special dispensation at play here. Or maybe policies have changed. Well, I think it is pretty clear that after John Dehlin got Dr. Peterson fired from the Maxwell institute that this little cabal has been granted special privileges. Perhaps beards are part of it.
Scott Lloyd Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, 6EQUJ5 said: Well, I think it is pretty clear that after John Dehlin got Dr. Peterson fired from the Maxwell institute that this little cabal has been granted special privileges. Perhaps beards are part of it. Dehlin didn’t get him fired. And he wasn’t fired from the institute. He was removed as editor of the Mormon Studies Review, after which he voluntarily separated himself from the institute. 2
phaedrus ut Posted June 13, 2018 Author Posted June 13, 2018 30 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: I noticed Blair Hodges retained his beard when he went to work for the institute. Maybe there’s a special dispensation at play here. Or maybe policies have changed. Oh yeah I've noticed that too. Maybe the Maxwell Institute is in the university but not of the University. IIRC Blair posts here on occasion, maybe he'll clarify the rules.
Kenngo1969 Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, phaedrus ut said: Considering his very obvious beard in the photos on the website I don't think I was outing him. 5 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said: I'm sure he'll be burned at the stake shortly. Never said you were. Edited June 13, 2018 by Kenngo1969
cinepro Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 5 hours ago, phaedrus ut said: I've noticed that Benjamin Park is currently at BYU as a visiting fellow at the Maxwell Institute . I have also noticed that he has quite a handsome beard. Is the Maxwell Institute exempt from the dress and grooming standards of the Honor Code? Just curious. Phaedrus It looks like a short term position for the summer, so I suspect he was granted permission. Had this been BYU-I on the other hand... 1
Kenngo1969 Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 5 hours ago, phaedrus ut said: I've noticed that Benjamin Park is currently at BYU as a visiting fellow at the Maxwell Institute . I have also noticed that he has quite a handsome beard. Is the Maxwell Institute exempt from the dress and grooming standards of the Honor Code? Just curious. Phaedrus 5 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said: I'm sure he'll be burned at the stake shortly. 5 hours ago, phaedrus ut said: Considering his very obvious beard in the photos on the website I don't think I was outing him. Never said you were.
Calm Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, phaedrus ut said: Oh yeah I've noticed that too. Maybe the Maxwell Institute is in the university but not of the University. IIRC Blair posts here on occasion, maybe he'll clarify the rules. Blair is a redhead. Could have sensitive skin.
Glenn101 Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 23 minutes ago, Calm said: Blair is a redhead. Could have sensitive skin. That may explain some other things also. 😊 Glenn
strappinglad Posted June 14, 2018 Posted June 14, 2018 I note that B Park got a Masters of Science in Theology. Interesting combination. As for the beard, it looks quite Islamic, probably why it was not questioned.
Robert F. Smith Posted June 14, 2018 Posted June 14, 2018 11 hours ago, phaedrus ut said: I've noticed that Benjamin Park is currently at BYU as a visiting fellow at the Maxwell Institute . I have also noticed that he has quite a handsome beard. Is the Maxwell Institute exempt from the dress and grooming standards of the Honor Code? Just curious. Phaedrus Did you just out him? 9 hours ago, phaedrus ut said: ........................ I don't have any supernatural beliefs but I find they study of Mormonism and religion in general fascinating. ............................. Even though most members don't realize it, Mormon theology is not supernatural. Just the opposite. Shshsh... Don't tell anybody. 1
mfbukowski Posted June 14, 2018 Posted June 14, 2018 11 hours ago, phaedrus ut said: I've noticed that Benjamin Park is currently at BYU as a visiting fellow at the Maxwell Institute . I have also noticed that he has quite a handsome beard. Is the Maxwell Institute exempt from the dress and grooming standards of the Honor Code? Just curious. Phaedrus He just wants to look like Blair
mfbukowski Posted June 14, 2018 Posted June 14, 2018 1 minute ago, mfbukowski said: He just wants to look like Blair Oops. Already mentioned
Hamba Tuhan Posted June 14, 2018 Posted June 14, 2018 11 hours ago, phaedrus ut said: I have also noticed that he has quite a handsome beard. Thanks! You've just contributed to my breaking the 10th Commandment ...
Ben P Posted June 14, 2018 Posted June 14, 2018 Hi everyone, This is Ben Park, he with the beard. Someone pointed me to this thread and I thought I'd set the record straight. As was noted above, BYU revised its policy in the last couple of years so that if you are a visiting faculty for less than twelve months you are not required to shave. So the Institute is expected to follow all the honor code requirements found throughout the campus. I'll add that it's been lovely to rock a Brigham Young beard while on Brigham Young University campus. I get looks, but everyone has been nothing but welcoming. I'll probably be cutting it soon, but only because it is becoming a headache to manage. As you were. BP
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