Mike Norton wants lds.org logins...

[HappyJackWagon]

Thankfully, this guy is a rare bird. He's the worst

[Calm]

33 minutes ago, rockpond said:

He explains it as the same proselytizing drive and desire to spread the truth that he had as a missionary.

Somehow I doubt the Church would approve of him living under a false name and lying to get into meetings so he could convert people to the Church.  He may have had the same level of passion, but hopefully better methodology.  I find it bizarre that one engages in outright fraud to spread "truth" (and I would find it just as odd when that justification is used by believers as well as nonbelievers).

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The screenshot in the original post is focused on people's phone numbers as well as names.  It is possible it will be a mass telemarketing type campaign.  However, he will have access to more info than that with the login info and could be lying about his plans.

Edited June 4, 2018 by Calm

[rockpond]

1 minute ago, Calm said:

Somehow I doubt the Church would approve of him living under a false name and lying to get into meetings so he could convert people to the Church.  He may have had the same level of passion, but hopefully better methodology.  I find it bizarre that one engages in outright fraud to spread "truth" (and I would find it just as odd when that justification is used by believers as well as nonbelievers).

No disagreement here.  And I hope my comments are not coming across as an endorsement of the guy!

[Calm]

No, yours don't...nor anyone else's here.

[provoman]

7 minutes ago, Calm said:

Somehow I doubt the Church would approve of him living under a false name and lying to get into meetings so he could convert people to the Church.  He may have had the same level of passion, but hopefully better methodology.  I find it bizarre that one engages in outright fraud to spread "truth" (and I would find it just as odd when that justification is used by believers as well as nonbelievers).

He brags on the facebook page how the Church is scared of him and will not take any action against him.

[6EQUJ5]

I hope Norton understands he can, and will, be arrested for this.

Accessing systems when you are unauthorized to do so is a federal crime and several people have served up to 10 years in prison for this kind of stuff.  Remember the founder of Reddit?

Don't be an idiot, Mike.  Stop it. Unlike your previous stunts, this one will have incredibly serious consequences.

Edited June 4, 2018 by 6EQUJ5

[Maestrophil]

21 minutes ago, 6EQUJ5 said:

I hope Norton understands he can, and will, be arrested for this.

Accessing systems when you are unauthorized to do so is a federal crime and several people have served up to 10 years in prison for this kind of stuff.  Remember the founder of Reddit?

Don't be an idiot, Mike.  Stop it. Unlike your previous stunts, this one will have incredibly serious consequences.

OR...  Keep going in a dumb obvious way, get arrested, and save us all the grief of your antics.  🙂

[6EQUJ5]

15 minutes ago, Maestrophil said:

OR...  Keep going in a dumb obvious way, get arrested, and save us all the grief of your antics.  🙂

It is clear Mike Norton is mentally ill and needs treatment. I hope he gets help before doing something with long-term consequences.  The Church has been pretty charitable to him so far by just ignoring his breaches of their civil and intellectual property rights. But if/when he commits a crime, it is completely out of the Church's hands.

One of the more sane ex-Mormons he runs around with need to smack him across the face with a reality check.

[Jeanne]

Not mentally ill..just a little over the top on anger issues...he needs to get past this phase..me thinks.

[Amulek]

43 minutes ago, 6EQUJ5 said:

I hope Norton understands he can, and will, be arrested for this.

Accessing systems when you are unauthorized to do so is a federal crime and several people have served up to 10 years in prison for this kind of stuff. 

I was thinking the same thing. If you access a computer system without authorization, you are violating (at minimum) the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, and are looking at a federal charge. 

Assuming, of course, that the feds are interested in going after you. But if you make a big enough stink, that's the sort of thing that tends to happen.

 

[Amulek]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

The screenshot in the original post is focused on people's phone numbers as well as names.  It is possible it will be a mass telemarketing type campaign.  However, he will have access to more info than that with the login info and could be lying about his plans.

Yes, he will have access to more info than that, but not much more info that he can really do anything useful with.

The only thing I can think of is that they could maybe send out mailers with pre-filled name removal requests that simply need to be signed and submitted. That might get a few bites, but nothing major like he's talking about.

 

 

[rockpond]

24 minutes ago, Amulek said:

Yes, he will have access to more info than that, but not much more info that he can really do anything useful with.

The only thing I can think of is that they could maybe send out mailers with pre-filled name removal requests that simply need to be signed and submitted. That might get a few bites, but nothing major like he's talking about.

 

 

I don't think removal requests would get much traction.  I see one of two options:

1)  If he happens to get access to enough stakes, he could cross reference name removal requests with stake directories to see if the church is processing those name removals.

2)  He's just harvesting email addresses to be able to spam info to them.  But he would need to be creative with that... perhaps he creates emails that look just like the current emails we receive from the church.  Maybe he sends emails that highlight the controversial gospel topics essays (I know quite a few people who went into faith crises as a result of reading the gospel topics essays).

[Amulek]

20 minutes ago, rockpond said:

I don't think removal requests would get much traction. 

Same here.

 

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I see one of two options:

1)  If he happens to get access to enough stakes, he could cross reference name removal requests with stake directories to see if the church is processing those name removals.

2)  He's just harvesting email addresses to be able to spam info to them.  But he would need to be creative with that... perhaps he creates emails that look just like the current emails we receive from the church.  Maybe he sends emails that highlight the controversial gospel topics essays (I know quite a few people who went into faith crises as a result of reading the gospel topics essays).

1) I suppose that's possible, but I honestly don't think there's much there there. Certainly not anything that would make droves of people want to leave the church. I mean, even if he was able to prove that the church never removes the names of people who wish to leave the church, I suspect the response from the majority of active Latter-day Saints would be somewhere between "huh..." and "meh."

2) Email is a possibility, and it is certainly much cheaper than telemarketing or mailers, but it's also a lot less effective as well. Church emails automatically get put into my spam folder by default. I have to actively go looking for them every time somebody sends me something. And I never open emails in my spam folder from people I don't recognize. So, if he wants to even have a chance at having me open something, he's going to have to impersonate someone in leadership at the ward or stake level (which is perhaps his intent), and even then it's still a chance - not a sure thing - and I assume he will then run into legal issues relating to impersonating people. 

 

[Tacenda]

2 hours ago, Calm said:

Somehow I doubt the Church would approve of him living under a false name and lying to get into meetings so he could convert people to the Church.  He may have had the same level of passion, but hopefully better methodology.  I find it bizarre that one engages in outright fraud to spread "truth" (and I would find it just as odd when that justification is used by believers as well as nonbelievers).

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The screenshot in the original post is focused on people's phone numbers as well as names.  It is possible it will be a mass telemarketing type campaign.  However, he will have access to more info than that with the login info and could be lying about his plans.

What exactly is NNN doing again? I guess my brain functionality is on low right now. I'm not clear on what exactly is his motive, is it to get people to go to the super fast lawyer and get their names off of church records or something. Those that are unaware of the lawyer doing this service?

[Amulek]

10 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

What exactly is NNN doing again? I guess my brain functionality is on low right now. I'm not clear on what exactly is his motive, is it to get people to go to the super fast lawyer and get their names off of church records or something. Those that are unaware of the lawyer doing this service?

It's unclear what he is actually planning other than that it is a "special project" that's "massive" and (in his opinion) is going to cause the guy who runs the name removal website to have to hire extra staff - presumably because what he has planned is so massive (and special - don't forget special) that it's going to cause members to start leaving the church in droves. 

 

Edited June 4, 2018 by Amulek

[rockpond]

42 minutes ago, Amulek said:

Same here.

 

1) I suppose that's possible, but I honestly don't think there's much there there. Certainly not anything that would make droves of people want to leave the church. I mean, even if he was able to prove that the church never removes the names of people who wish to leave the church, I suspect the response from the majority of active Latter-day Saints would be somewhere between "huh..." and "meh."

2) Email is a possibility, and it is certainly much cheaper than telemarketing or mailers, but it's also a lot less effective as well. Church emails automatically get put into my spam folder by default. I have to actively go looking for them every time somebody sends me something. And I never open emails in my spam folder from people I don't recognize. So, if he wants to even have a chance at having me open something, he's going to have to impersonate someone in leadership at the ward or stake level (which is perhaps his intent), and even then it's still a chance - not a sure thing - and I assume he will then run into legal issues relating to impersonating people. 

 

Most of the people I know, seem to read those emails blasts from the Church.  I think he could probably get a decent number of clicks.

[Calm]

2 hours ago, Amulek said:

It's unclear what he is actually planning other than that it is a "special project" that's "massive" and (in his opinion) is going to cause the guy who runs the name removal website to have to hire extra staff - presumably because what he has planned is so massive (and special - don't forget special) that it's going to cause members to start leaving the church in droves. 

 

Which may not cause that guy to be too happy since he offers the service for free...but it may get him a few new clients, so who knows.

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, MoNoMoInUT said:

Depending on your viewpoint is, Mike Norton is far mor moral than many of the “Christlike” commenters here. If the “truth” he is spreading is actually true any your “truth” isn’t, well I guess all the naysayers have something to ponderize. BTW, Mike isn’t trying to remove anyone’s free will so he’s certainly not going to resign people that don’t want to resign. 

Huh....suspicious that this is your first post. Mike, is that you ranting semi-coherently?

[The Nehor]

8 hours ago, Maestrophil said:

OR...  Keep going in a dumb obvious way, get arrested, and save us all the grief of your antics.  🙂

On the bright side we get the hilarity of watching him try to navigate the legal system.

Edited June 5, 2018 by The Nehor

[6EQUJ5]

Just now, MoNoMoInUT said:

Sad to see so many proported “good people” demonizing someone they don’t know to defend an organization. Spend some time an exmormon group and you will see people attacking an organization but not necessarily people. Fascinating. 

You are such a cliche' douchebag.

[JAHS]

6 minutes ago, MoNoMoInUT said:

Sad to see so many proported “good people” demonizing someone they don’t know to defend an organization. Spend some time an exmormon group and you will see people attacking an organization but not necessarily people. Fascinating. 

I have and when they just get a hint that I am an active mormon I get ripped apart and am told to go elsewhere. 

[Avatar4321]

2 hours ago, MoNoMoInUT said:

Depending on your viewpoint is, Mike Norton is far mor moral than many of the “Christlike” commenters here. If the “truth” he is spreading is actually true any your “truth” isn’t, well I guess all the naysayers have something to ponderize. BTW, Mike isn’t trying to remove anyone’s free will so he’s certainly not going to resign people that don’t want to resign. 

No he is just attempting fraud to break federal law. 

[Avatar4321]

15 minutes ago, MoNoMoInUT said:

Sad to see so many proported “good people” demonizing someone they don’t know to defend an organization. Spend some time an exmormon group and you will see people attacking an organization but not necessarily people. Fascinating. 

And by demonize you mean discussing the truth about some criminal enterprise he is engaged in

[Avatar4321]

Just now, MoNoMoInUT said:

Ha ha ha. Too funny. It is only illegal if you get caught, right?  No no, everything is legal when you pay Kirton Mckonkie millions of dollars to help you out, or write  your revelations. 

That literally makes no sense.

 

[JAHS]

14 minutes ago, MoNoMoInUT said:

You get ripped apart or your beliefs do?

Like I said I do and am accused of allowing myself to be brainwashed, stupid for believing such things, called a sheeple, and a cult member.