Avatar4321 Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 some of us are working and wont be able to watch live. I'd love to hear how it is going.
Hamba Tuhan Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 45 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said: some of us are working and wont be able to watch live. I'd love to hear how it is going. And some of us don't even live in the same hemisphere where General Conference is held ... 2
Jeanne Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) I have a friend that watches all the conferences and then sends me all the highlights ..I do tape the Sunday conference..but I work every weekend...today I am off to see grandkids I like the notes I get and it is not biased but good highlights of each speaker. It would be nice if one could do that here??? Anyone?? Edited September 30, 2017 by Jeanne
Rain Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Jeanne said: I have a friend that watches all the conferences and then sends me all the highlights ..I do tape the Sunday conference..but I work every weekend...today I am off to see grandkids I like the notes I get and it is not biased but good highlights of each speaker. It would be nice if one could do that here??? Anyone?? I can't promise anything, but will consider it. If I start to do it and it becomes a means for others to criticize I will stop. Moderator notice: Posters who try to start arguments in this thread will be removed.
Jeanne Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 30 minutes ago, Rain said: I can't promise anything, but will consider it. If I start to do it and it becomes a means for others to criticize I will stop. I won't be home today...and rarely get to any Saturday conference...I don't want to condemn...I want highlights in any changes..good talks..and a general rundown. I won't have time to respond much anyway. Thanks if you do this!!
Rain Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 Well, you know, they are ALL going to be good talks... 1
Popular Post smac97 Posted September 30, 2017 Popular Post Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) Was lucky. Got tickets. Here's the view... Edited September 30, 2017 by smac97 12
Popular Post juliann Posted September 30, 2017 Popular Post Posted September 30, 2017 Power hitters out of the gate: Uchtdorf, Oscarson, Oaks. 6
smac97 Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 Hmm. Pres. Uchtdorf encourages us to resist judging 19th-century members who fell away. Pres. Oscarson's remarks about service are excellent. 2
Popular Post smac97 Posted September 30, 2017 Popular Post Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) Elder Oaks speaking about how we participate in the world, but take our own path on some things. He describes the scriptural references to "the world" as those things which are incompatible with or opposed to God's plan and purposes. He says we should stick with our standards and resist wordy alternatives to them. He speaks about God's plan as involving salvation as an "individual matter" but exaltation being a "family matter." He references worldly changes in views on the family. LDS worldview focuses on God's plan and it's components consisting of commandments, ordinances, and centrality of Jesus Christ. We strive to follow the plan, which can result in conflict. The Lord's way v. The world's way. Discussion of the Proclamation, which differs from the word re: cohabitation, SSM, and children being raised in same-sex paren't households. The creates difficulties for us. We must balance maintaining our worldview with expressing love for our fellow man. He discusses rapid emergence of SSM and more gradual emergence of out-of-wedlock births (40% in the U.S). Discusses portions of Proclamation relevant to these issues. He describes the Genesis of three Proclamation. Started 23 years ago. Spent a year working on contents. Lots of prayer and discussion. He called it a "revelatory process." Presented to First Presidency, which presented it to the Church. Proclamation is a statement of eternal truth, and is the will of the Lord for His children. It has formed basis of instruction for 22 years, and will continue as such in the future. Testified of the Proclamation "revealed to his (the Lord's) apostles." Edited September 30, 2017 by smac97 5
Rain Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) President Uchtdorf - The message of the church is that God is our Father and there is a way back to him. When you have been betrayed, hurt, broken God still calls to you. Come follow me. "If you will hear Him. He will speak to you this very day." The scriptures offers many reasons to turn to the Lord. Here are two. 1. Your life will be better 2. God will use you to make the lives of others better. Sometimes it seems our lives are more difficult because we try to stay faithful. If we remove the barriers from being close to God and listening to him He will give us blessings in those dark storms. We will be encircled by his peace. Proverbs 3:5-6 Turn your soul to the light. This path to Him naturally turn you to your fellow man. This in turn creates progress in your own life. Out of small things are great things brought to pass. The saints in the past were not perfect, but the Lord used then anyway to build the kingdom. We are not perfect, but if we will let Him he will use us to accomplish his purposes. The compassionate actions we sow he will turn into a harvest of goodness. This requires effort. We can't just float, trusting the current will take us there some day. He will help us swim upatream. Please heed the call of the Savior. Be compassionate . Keep our covenants. Join together to the pathway thaY leads us home. Our lives will be better and the Lord will use us in remarkable ways. Bonnie Oscarson Many natural disasters. This has brought out help from many. Aspect of service important for all no matter where. Pres Monson: we need to lose ourselves in service. More concerned about tech sharing of concern. We need to remember to actually do the service. Easy to miss the best ways to do service because we are looking for ambitious ways. Important to show friendship to the person sitting beside us. Serve those in family, neighborhood and community. Changing the world begins by strengthening own family. There is always someone at church lonely or feels like they don't belong. We should be the one filling that need. Attendance at church is for sacrament etc, but also to strengthen one another. Stop, look around and ask, "Who needs me today?" See the one who needs us that day. Oaks Be not of the world. God provided the world as a necessary step to get back to Him and exaltation. This is more than salvation. Salvation is an individual matter. Exaltation is a family matter. We must make family choices in the Lord's way, even if that differs from the Lord's way. We have distinctive priorities and practices when we follow God's plan. This may cause conflict with those who don't follow them. This has always been so. The Proclamation outlines the plan. Some consider this is just policy. In contrast LDS feel this is the most important part of the plan. He points put a number of parts of the proclamation. What led to the Proclamation: it was a surprise for them to find out many did not understand these principles. They discussed many things not understood. They talked and prayed over it. (Good to listen to this because I can't write fast enough). The Proclamation is a statemental of eternal truth and the will of the Lord. If you live by it you will have eternal life. Edited October 3, 2017 by Rain 3
Scott Lloyd Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) Elder Oaks is detailing the coming forth of the proclamation on the family. He is one of only seven surviving members of the Twelve who were present when it originated. Worth consideration as there is a fairly popular notion in circulation that the proclamation is merely an expansion or adaptation of a legal brief written by attorneys. Edited September 30, 2017 by Scott Lloyd 3
Scott Lloyd Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 18 minutes ago, smac97 said: Hmm. Pres. Uchtdorf encourages us to resist judging 19th-century members who fell away. Pres. Oscarson's remarks about service are excellent. Auxiliary presidents in the Church are pro forma addressed with the courtesy titles "Brother" or "Sister" rather than "President."
smac97 Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: Auxiliary presidents in the Church are pro forma addressed with the courtesy titles "Brother" or "Sister" rather than "President." Ah. Ok. Thanks.
Popular Post Que Posted September 30, 2017 Popular Post Posted September 30, 2017 Re: Elder Oaks I love it when they just come out and say it, rather than beating around the bush... Family Proclamation may be this generation's test... 10
Popular Post Judd Posted September 30, 2017 Popular Post Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) 37 minutes ago, smac97 said: Hmm. Pres. Uchtdorf encourages us to resist judging 19th-century members who fell away. I feel it's appropriate. There are many examples, ancient and modern, where people who have exercised great faith, both before and after times of weakness, who have that episode of faithlessness recorded and thus to the rest of history we have reduced the expanse of their eternal identity down to the personification of faithlessness, despite where their current spiritual stature may reside. Edited September 30, 2017 by Judd 7
smac97 Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, Judd said: I feel it's appropriate. There are many examples, ancient and modern, where people who have exercised great faith, both before and after times of weakness, who have that episode of faithlessness recorded and thus to the rest of history we have reduced the expanse of their eternal identity down to the personification of faithlessness, despite where their current spiritual stature may reside. Agreed. I had a similar discussion on the issue with my children a few months ago (we had been reading about Laman and Lemuel).
Popular Post JLHPROF Posted September 30, 2017 Popular Post Posted September 30, 2017 42 minutes ago, smac97 said: Hmm. Pres. Uchtdorf encourages us to resist judging 19th-century members who fell away. I'd settle for less judging of 19th century leaders that didn't fall away. The attacks on Joseph and Brigham etc even by members is tiresome. 7
Judd Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: I'd settle for less judging of 19th century leaders that didn't fall away. The attacks on Joseph and Brigham etc even by members is tiresome. Unfortunately, I believe the idea that they didn't fall away bolsters, in many minds, the justification for judgement. Similar in many fashions to someone treating their own mother poorly for their human mistakes but being overly forgiving of others not nearly as close to them and of whom have done much less for them. Edited September 30, 2017 by Judd 1
Rain Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) Pinigree God has a work for you. He has prepared you. He gave you certain assignments before this earth. Pres Nelson: the Lord has more in mind for you than you have for yourself. How can we find what he wants us to do? 1. Focus on others. What should we study, where to go to school, have a career - think about it in the context of helping others 2. Discover and develop Spiritual gifts. Look in patriarchal blessings. Pray - he knows our gifts. Develop them little by little. "What is my spiritual ministry?" 3. Make use of adversity. 4. Rely on God with real intent. He will give us the strength to fulfill those assignments "Are we living in such a way that the Lord can perform through us?" Deflect personal praise and glorify God. Christopherson The Bread of life discussion in the New Testament. This shows us how completely we need to bring the Savior into our lives. When we do this we receive power through the atonement. We should internalize the qualities and characters of Christ. If we contemplate his sinless life it will help us strive to give up our sins to become like him. Knowing your own shortcomings through prayer doesn't discourage you. It brings you gratitude and hope. Seek holiness. Choose holiness. Find it through service. Service is not something we endure...it is the very fiber...of the celestial kingdom. Holiness means to put out of our character anything that is inconsistent with the character of the Lord. If we sincerely ask, "What lack I yet? He will answer. Edited September 30, 2017 by Rain 3
smac97 Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 Elder Holland is apparently a crowd favorite. When his name was announced, there was a collective buzz from, the audience, followed by a gentle chuckle at the buzz. He quotes the Beatitudes, notes how lofty those ideals are and how "beyond our reach" they are. Many members feel discouraged, like they do not and will never measure up. He does not want to diminish the importance of the commandments, but we shouldn't be beating ourselves up. God does not want His children to do that, as we are all "trying to be like Jesus." Jesus did not intend his words to be a verbal hammer, but instead a tribute to our divine potential in the eternities. I am God is merciful, and a peacemaker. I need mercy, and the world needs peace. We still need to progress, so we can't "dumb down" the commandments. Our only hope for salvation is grace. That includes saving us from persistent self-criticism. Quoted the parable of the servant who owed his master 10,000 talents (?) was forgiven of it, and who then berated a fellow servant who owed home 100 pence. We should not be discouraged at our lack of 10,000-level perfection, but we should seek for 100-pence-level love and service to others. Shared a GREAT item about am imperfect priest. 2
why me Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 Nice that there is now an understanding that one does not have to be perfect or stress over perfection. I hope the members take this to heart. 2
Rain Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 Elder Holland Around the church I hear, "I'm just not good enough". As children of God we should not beat up ourselves as if that would help us to become the person we are supposed to become. Jesus did not intend "be ye perfect" to be a hammer, but as a way to look at God to get his help and create desire to be like Him. We may not be perfect, but it is not too much to ask for us to be a little more Godlike. Steady improvement in ourselves. Not being critical of ourselves and others. "Don't gloat but give your help to anyone trying to walk back to God." (-didn't catch who said this. ) 3
JLHPROF Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, smac97 said: Elder Holland is apparently a crowd favorite. When his name was announced, there was a collective buzz from, the audience, followed by a gentle chuckle at the buzz. Apparently? I thought everyone knew that. There are dozens of memes about it. He is one of my primary reasons to watch. Edited September 30, 2017 by JLHPROF 1
bluebell Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said: Elder Oaks is detailing the coming forth of the proclamation on the family. He is one of only seven surviving members of the Twelve were present when it originated. Worth consideration as there is a fairly popular notion in circulation that the proclamation is merely an expansion of a legal brief written by attorneys. I really appreciated that he laid out how the proclamation came about. I find it comforting that they prayed about the wording and worked on it for a year, always wanting to follow the Spirit's direction. 3
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