Calm Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 (edited) For anyone who has opioids in the house even on a short term basis (or if you have friends who are users you are concerned about), if you live in Utah be smart and get a Naloxone kit: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865668914/Utah-pharmacists-can-now-dispense-naloxone-without-a-prescription.html I am not sure if it is always free, I picked up one without cost and had everyone over 10 practice with it. It talks you through it, quite ingenious. Edited April 20, 2017 by Calm 3
cacheman Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 37 minutes ago, Darren10 said: It is amazing but keep in mind that the human body is designed to naturally absorb alcohol so alcoholic beverages are not automatically prejudicial to the human body. The same cannot be said about opioids or marijuana in the traditional sense of how it's been cultivated and distributed. What is telling to me is how the legality of something does not necessarily make it safe or OK to use. Can you expand on this a bit? My understanding was that the enzymes in the body that are able to metabolize small amounts of ethanol are due to adaptation, not design. However, the endocannabinoid system in mammals is thought have originated much earlier. Not so sure about the evolutionary pathways of our opiate receptors...
Jeanne Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 32 minutes ago, BlueDreams said: That's a serious and growing problem, unfortunately. I watched a documentary recently about one of the doctors that pushed for he use of pain medications for ailments. It was both intriguing and sad. One positive not about marijuana. THough dependency and overdose is possible....death directly from marijuana isn't: http://drug.addictionblog.org/can-you-overdose-on-marijuana/ With luv, BD Thanks for this link. I am hoping that doctors when they can..back away from just passing out prescriptions the way some do. It would be tempting to use them for other ailments when they are sitting in your medicince cabinet.
cacheman Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Traela said: The compound used in medical marijuana is different from the "get high" compound. If it's isolated, I have absolutely no problem with it. There has been a significant amount of medical research involving THC that demonstrate effectiveness in certain situations. Furthermore, one of the difficulties in researching medical Cannabis is the number of cannabinoids that are found in the plant. There are studies indicating that the entourage effect of various different cannabinoids offer more medical potential than isolated CBD or other cannabinoids. I applaud the LDS Church's call for opening up more avenues of research with Cannabis! 1
cacheman Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 2 hours ago, rongo said: In my county, 90% of the medical marijuana card holders are men under the age of 30. It is an open joke among pot-fans and foes alike that "medical marijuana" (smoked) is thinly-veiled legalized recreational use. I notice that the Church differentiated in its support between smoked marijuana and cannabis medicine derivatives. I think there is a big difference between oil, THC pills, etc., and smoked marijuana --- which is where I would draw the line in terms of the WoW. And this can be subject to "leader roulette" in terms of a temple recommend, with no clear guidance from the Brethren for local leaders. At bishopric training last year, a member of the stake presidency told us to be very careful referring people to an LDS counselor in our stake (I had referred some people to him, and they were happy with the counseling. He was registered through Family Services and has a private practice and an affiliation with a doctor's office). He said that it had come to their attention that he uses marijuana in his counseling. I called his bishop (now in the new stake presidency) and asked him for his thoughts, and he said that he definitely wouldn't refer anyone with depression or anxiety, because he would prescribe them "medical marijuana" (pot). Two members had even reported to him that he had smoked it with them in his office (he has a card, and was teaching them how to). The interesting thing for me was that this bishop-now-SP-member, who has some medical school and is a mortician, said that he had studied the marijuana research a lot over the years, and that medical marijuana has one of the highest placebo effect benefits in history. That is, people use oil, pills, baked goods, smoking, etc., and report fabulous improvement, but when this is carefully controlled with placebos, the people report the same benefits. I think much of it is in people's heads, based on their expectations/wishes for it to work. There are many placebo-controlled studies that contradict your friends statement. You might be surprised to see how much work is out there showing the potential of this plant. 1
bsjkki Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 (edited) I know a sister that was told she could use marijuana by an area authority and she was able to go to the temple. I'm sure it is looked at case by case. Edited April 21, 2017 by bsjkki
Stargazer Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 I don't see why the Church would forbid medical marijuana when taking of medications in alcohol isn't forbidden.
Darren10 Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 15 minutes ago, cacheman said: Can you expand on this a bit? My understanding was that the enzymes in the body that are able to metabolize small amounts of ethanol are due to adaptation, not design. However, the endocannabinoid system in mammals is thought have originated much earlier. Not so sure about the evolutionary pathways of our opiate receptors... The best way to explain this to you is, "you lost me".
Darren10 Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 13 minutes ago, cacheman said: There has been a significant amount of medical research involving THC that demonstrate effectiveness in certain situations. Furthermore, one of the difficulties in researching medical Cannabis is the number of cannabinoids that are found in the plant. There are studies indicating that the entourage effect of various different cannabinoids offer more medical potential than isolated CBD or other cannabinoids. I applaud the LDS Church's call for opening up more avenues of research with Cannabis! "I applaud the LDS Church's call for opening up more avenues of research with Cannabis!" - Me too!
CV75 Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 5 hours ago, snowflake said: What is the church's stance on medical marijuana? Is my Father at risk of losing his place in the celestial kingdom because he is violating the WOW? Could he lose his temple recommend if the brethren found out he is taking cannabis? Wisdom from the "Answer, man..." Stance: Let us not judge... let us not call be the pot that calls the pot a kettle Risk: I mean, isn't it all about keeping it "WOW, man" anyway? Cannabis: He should let them stay on their island and build them a school instead. A non-issue.
pogi Posted April 20, 2017 Posted April 20, 2017 Happy to hear your father is doing well on it Snowflake. There is nothing evil about legal marijuana, it is a drug with potential benefits and side effects just like any other drug. Where the benefits outweigh the risks, why the heck not? I would vote to legalize it for medical and recreational use. I tend to lean more libertarian in that regard. If only we could get people to choose marijuana over alcohol! 3
Calm Posted April 21, 2017 Posted April 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Stargazer said: I don't see why the Church would forbid medical marijuana when taking of medications in alcohol isn't forbidden. No one has forbidden use of NyQuil where alcohol is not just the vehicle, but part of the treatment.
Tacenda Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 I'm excited for more research about this. I'm currently taking cannabis oil and wonder if it's enough. I'm so glad that recently Orrin Hatch has come out in support of medical marijuana. I just hope that Utah will quickly get going on this miracle plant! I wish I could just eat it like salad for all of the healing properties it has and it's not suppose to make you high. Just need to figure out a way to grow it and not get thrown in jail.
Jeanne Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 Tacenda...I am not up to date on this...but my son had to actually go through a horrific withdrawal of opiates from his back pains..he is free of everything now...but would something like this be more beneficial to someone in any kind of pain??
rongo Posted October 6, 2017 Posted October 6, 2017 It sounded to me from my conference with two members of the seventy a couple of weeks ago that smoked marijuana in any form (medicinal or otherwise) is going to be formally prohibited by Church policy. They said that the Church is working on policy guidelines right now, but that we aren't there yet. I think medicine using cannabis (pill or oil) might be formally "okay" from the Church, but we'll have to see what the guidelines are.
Atheist Mormon Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 On 4/20/2017 at 10:13 AM, HappyJackWagon said: I'm thrilled your father is feeling better. Cannabis is a natural herb. God placed it on the earth. Why would a person not take it if it helps them attain a better quality of life and relief from their pain? As a prescribed medicine I don't see that there would be any issue getting a temple recommend. Members take far stronger medicines with more addictive properties and still attend the temple. The church has officially opposed legalization of marijuana, including medical, but I can only think that it's because A- they don't understand the issue or B- they are concerned about abuses. But would a person who receives morphine at a hospital lose their recommend or eternal salvation? Of course not. I know a child who literally has over 100 seizures per day. His body temperature has to be regulated super closely or he'll slip into a coma. Doctors have tried many different treatments and medications. Cannabis oil is the only thing that works. With it, he can function. Without it, he's stuck in a temperature regulated room in bed. It's been a challenge for his parents to get permission to use the cannabis oil but now that they have it he is doing great. Prohibiting use of medical marijuana is immoral even if there is some potential for abuse. Well articulated.....written with heart.....
strappinglad Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 I remember the ads in the 50s with ' doctors' extolling the benefits of tobacco and cigarettes. Little red flags go up in my mind when a product is promoted as being good for all kinds of ailments . Unfortunately , because of Gov't restrictions , research into the benefits and negatives of MJ is not as broad as needed. For example, what are the effects of MJ use by women on the fetus , or second hand smoke/edibles on the young? Canada is currently working toward legalization and is drafting regulations on marijuana . It will an interesting transition and will have consequences between the US and Canada in the near future.
Tacenda Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 45 minutes ago, strappinglad said: I remember the ads in the 50s with ' doctors' extolling the benefits of tobacco and cigarettes. Little red flags go up in my mind when a product is promoted as being good for all kinds of ailments . Unfortunately , because of Gov't restrictions , research into the benefits and negatives of MJ is not as broad as needed. For example, what are the effects of MJ use by women on the fetus , or second hand smoke/edibles on the young? Canada is currently working toward legalization and is drafting regulations on marijuana . It will an interesting transition and will have consequences between the US and Canada in the near future. I just want to eat it raw, seems pretty harmless, but you have a point.
cacheman Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 11 minutes ago, Tacenda said: I just want to eat it raw, seems pretty harmless, but you have a point. Hi Tacenda, If you are in (or nearby) a state that has legalized hemp production, I would recommend contacting a grower for the raw foliage or flowers. You might want to check local farmers markets as well. IMO, the leaves and flowers aren't great in salads, but are nice in green smoothies and pesto. There is no difference between 'hemp' and 'marijuana' aside from the levels of THC.
Storm Rider Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 On 4/20/2017 at 11:00 AM, snowflake said: My father has suffered from a tremor in his right arm for over a year and has recently been diagnosed with early stage Parkinson's disease. Since his diagnosis and over the last year he has tried all the medications his neurologist has prescribed without relief from his tremor. He has also been suffering from severe insomnia since his tremor began and Dad was really quite depressed (which I totally understand, try not sleeping for a few nights). Dad is a true blue temple recommend Mormon and absolutely rejected any thought of trying any form of cannabis to help with the insomnia or the arm shaking. Well thank God, he finally became desperate enough to try some cannabis oil and some edibles about 6 weeks ago. Dad lives in a very marijuana friendly state (Oregon) and is now eating cannabis butter and cannabis oil and told me that 30mL of cannabis oil treats his tremor for about 6 hours and the butter is helping him sleep through the night. Now you must realize that as a TBM, I thought that my Dad had lost his mind, I couldn't believe my ears, he said that he felt alive, that life was worth living again. It was amazing to hear ho happy my Father was! So here is a few questions to the board. And I have not ran these questions by my Father yet..... What is the church's stance on medical marijuana? Is my Father at risk of losing his place in the celestial kingdom because he is violating the WOW? No, the WofW is a temporal commandment and has nothing to do with eternal salvation. Could he lose his temple recommend if the brethren found out he is taking cannabis? My opinion is the Cannabis has nothing to do with the WofW - just read the 89th Section of the Doctrine & Covenants and you will gain a much better understanding of what is and what is not the Word of Wisdom and it application to LDS living. Good to hear that your father has found something that works of him. There are a more products available today based on cannabis without any THC. Whatever works and used medically is acceptable.
Calm Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 I have heard from bishops in states where it is legal, both growing it and using it for medical purposes has no impact on temple recommends. It would seem at the moment it is the local legality of the drug that matters...
Gray Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 On 10/6/2017 at 2:20 PM, Jeanne said: Tacenda...I am not up to date on this...but my son had to actually go through a horrific withdrawal of opiates from his back pains..he is free of everything now...but would something like this be more beneficial to someone in any kind of pain?? Unfortunately my nephew got hooked on them, and was recently in the hospital after ODing on them. Thankfully he's okay. They are no joke.
rongo Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Calm said: I have heard from bishops in states where it is legal, both growing it and using it for medical purposes has no impact on temple recommends. It would seem at the moment it is the local legality of the drug that matters... That's a case of leader roulette. What we were told by the seventies in our meeting a couple of weeks ago makes me think that, if this is the case with some leaders, it will be rectified when the Church comes out with its official policy. They are working on it. From what they said, it appears that it will be limited to pill or oil form, never smokeable.
Calm Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) "From what they said, it appears that it will be limited to pill or oil form, never smokeable." That makes sense as that prevents problems for anyone around them and allows for a more controlled approach, but I don't see how that would be consistent unless they include exceptions based on medical advice though. Also, does the Church penalize farmers who grow tobacco or grains for alcohol? I haven't heard of any restrictions there so it would be inconsistent if they penalized legal pot farmers. Edited October 8, 2017 by Calm
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