Stargazer Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 On 10/6/2017 at 12:20 PM, Jeanne said: Tacenda...I am not up to date on this...but my son had to actually go through a horrific withdrawal of opiates from his back pains..he is free of everything now...but would something like this be more beneficial to someone in any kind of pain?? I can't speak for Tacenda, but my late wife used marijuana in the mid-stages of her passing from this life when the milder pain drugs didn't quite fill the bill. Later, when even that was insufficient she went to morphine, but the marijuana was effective for a time. 3
rongo Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 12 hours ago, Calm said: "From what they said, it appears that it will be limited to pill or oil form, never smokeable." That makes sense as that prevents problems for anyone around them and allows for a more controlled approach, but I don't see how that would be consistent unless they include exceptions based on medical advice though. Both GAs emphasized that the "medical advice" advocating smoking marijuana is usually a joke. In my county, 90% of the "medical marijuana" card-holders are men under the age of 30 (as reported by the county health people who teach sex ed and substance abuse for two weeks in all public schools in the 7th and 8th grades). All of them received "competent medical advice," but everyone knows that they are shiftless potheads with "back pain."
cacheman Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 29 minutes ago, rongo said: Both GAs emphasized that the "medical advice" advocating smoking marijuana is usually a joke. In my county, 90% of the "medical marijuana" card-holders are men under the age of 30 (as reported by the county health people who teach sex ed and substance abuse for two weeks in all public schools in the 7th and 8th grades). All of them received "competent medical advice," but everyone knows that they are shiftless potheads with "back pain." Your county appears to have vastly different patient demographics than is found in state reports and research studies. The numbers published by the state of Arizona for 2017 show less than a quarter of card holders being under the age of 30. Studies that have been done in California and elsewhere show similar statistics.
Tacenda Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, rongo said: Both GAs emphasized that the "medical advice" advocating smoking marijuana is usually a joke. In my county, 90% of the "medical marijuana" card-holders are men under the age of 30 (as reported by the county health people who teach sex ed and substance abuse for two weeks in all public schools in the 7th and 8th grades). All of them received "competent medical advice," but everyone knows that they are shiftless potheads with "back pain." I keep trying to reply to your comment and it disappears. Maybe what I keep trying to say is not allowed, but twice I've tried to. ETA: I've just mentioned that I'm surprised at those findings. I belong to a FB group of people that use it for medicinal purposes and it's a miracle plant from what I've seen. I'm currently using cannibus oil that I bought in CO. It does help me sleep. My mother died from Alzheimer's and she got it in her early sixties. I've read so many studies that it can prevent it. My two cousins are both very young and now have it. I think the stigma will hopefully go away. And one of the studies said that taking one puff a day works better. Also, someone I ran into told me that he got the oil for his wife who had migraines and it didn't work as well, and their doctor told them smoking it works better. The doctor is LDS and treats some GA's and leaders. I thought that interesting. Too bad there is such a stigma with smoking it. But it'd be hard for me to do that, the smell too. The oil doesn't get me high, so glad about that, since I know I'd be paranoid. Edited October 8, 2017 by Tacenda
Jeanne Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 11 hours ago, Stargazer said: I can't speak for Tacenda, but my late wife used marijuana in the mid-stages of her passing from this life when the milder pain drugs didn't quite fill the bill. Later, when even that was insufficient she went to morphine, but the marijuana was effective for a time. Thank you. My son deals with a horrible pain...but what he went through with the pain meds..he won't do again. We almost lost him. Thanks..just something to think about.
Jeanne Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 16 hours ago, Gray said: Unfortunately my nephew got hooked on them, and was recently in the hospital after ODing on them. Thankfully he's okay. They are no joke. Yeah...they had to life flight my son...beat ..he beat up some paramedics and can't remember a darn thing..Scary!! 1
Calm Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 33 minutes ago, Tacenda said: I keep trying to reply to your comment and it disappears. Maybe what I keep trying to say is not allowed, but twice I've tried to. If you are including a drug's name, it won't let you post it.
Calm Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 1 hour ago, rongo said: Both GAs emphasized that the "medical advice" advocating smoking marijuana is usually a joke. In my county, 90% of the "medical marijuana" card-holders are men under the age of 30 (as reported by the county health people who teach sex ed and substance abuse for two weeks in all public schools in the 7th and 8th grades). All of them received "competent medical advice," but everyone knows that they are shiftless potheads with "back pain." I am talking about serious medical issues. It would be the same as if a leader knew someone had an actual medical issue requiring narcotics or was abusing the system to get prescriptions for them.
snowflake Posted October 10, 2017 Author Posted October 10, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 10:31 PM, Storm Rider said: My opinion is the Cannabis has nothing to do with the WofW - just read the 89th Section of the Doctrine & Covenants and you will gain a much better understanding of what is and what is not the Word of Wisdom and it application to LDS living. Good to hear that your father has found something that works of him. There are a more products available today based on cannabis without any THC. Whatever works and used medically is acceptable. If cannabis has nothing to do with the WofW why was it strictly forbidden for so long? and why would you be concerned about THC if cannabis has nothing to do with the WofW? The WOW clearly states that herbs are allowed, which cannabis would fall under. Also mild barley drinks (beer) are fine according to the WOW, but the bretheren state otherwise.
rongo Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 "It's natural herb" sounds like the argument for marijuana from my middle-schoolers when I taught middle school. Tobacco is an herb, too --- coca is as well, for that matter. One thing the Brethren are taking into account as they come up with a policy is kava, mate (sic), and betel nut. There are many substances worldwide that are a WoW concern. We fixate on marijuana because that is the hot, trendy "miracle" alternative medicine in North America. Despite what some have said, I don't believe at all that some GAs take medical marijuana. That sort of sympathy for it wasn't the feeling I got at all from the two who spoke to us (one of whom is a doctor). I will be very, very surprised if smoking it under any circumstances is eventually allowed (even for glaucoma, cancer, or whatever), based on how they handled the question. Pills and oil will be allowed, I think, with legitimate medical authorization (and what constitutes that is also being carefully considered).
Storm Rider Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 42 minutes ago, snowflake said: If cannabis has nothing to do with the WofW why was it strictly forbidden for so long? and why would you be concerned about THC if cannabis has nothing to do with the WofW? The WOW clearly states that herbs are allowed, which cannabis would fall under. Also mild barley drinks (beer) are fine according to the WOW, but the bretheren state otherwise. First, it has been illegal, which would be one reason for any church's leader to recommend to their members not to use it. I have some friends who have just gotten got up in the craze of hemp oil and such - one of their selling points is that there is no THC. My comment in this regard was motivated by their conversation and not the Word of Wisdom. I believe that herbs are useful for humans when used appropriately and with understanding and knowledge. Just because something is an herb does not mean we should all rush out and use it. In this situation I would use a good deal of moderation and common sense. You seem to be looking for something to argue about rather than just a typical conversation about a church related topic.
Tacenda Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 On 10/8/2017 at 2:22 PM, Jeanne said: Thank you. My son deals with a horrible pain...but what he went through with the pain meds..he won't do again. We almost lost him. Thanks..just something to think about. So sorry to hear this Jeanne, hopefully he'll get some relief soon.
Jeanne Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 17 hours ago, Tacenda said: So sorry to hear this Jeanne, hopefully he'll get some relief soon. Thanks Tacenda...he is strong. Hard to get him to take even a Tylenol anymore...it was a scary deal. The pain is an awful thing...but he knows no other way...breaks Mom's heart!
pogi Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 34 minutes ago, Jeanne said: Thanks Tacenda...he is strong. Hard to get him to take even a Tylenol anymore...it was a scary deal. The pain is an awful thing...but he knows no other way...breaks Mom's heart! Sorry to hear that! I often taught mindfulness based stress reduction techniques to my hospice patients with chronic pain or anxiety. Just something that your son might want to consider if medication is not a viable option. If you can treat pain without drugs, that is always the preferred method. Some studies on the effects of MBSR on chronic pain: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4479890/ Also, I don't have any experience with acupuncture, but from what I read, it is worth a shot if nothing else is working: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/acupuncture-is-worth-a-try-for-chronic-pain-201304016042
Calm Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 3 hours ago, pogi said: Sorry to hear that! I often taught mindfulness based stress reduction techniques to my hospice patients with chronic pain or anxiety. Just something that your son might want to consider if medication is not a viable option. If you can treat pain without drugs, that is always the preferred method. Some studies on the effects of MBSR on chronic pain: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4479890/ Also, I don't have any experience with acupuncture, but from what I read, it is worth a shot if nothing else is working: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/acupuncture-is-worth-a-try-for-chronic-pain-201304016042 I had a weird experience with acupuncture. Silenced the ever present tension and pain in my body and completely unpredictedly the constant ringing in my ears (ever present since 13). Lasted about 18 hours for the first and almost a day for the second. It was heaven while it lasted, but I had neither the time nor the money to spend on daily treatment or even weekly. Mom had paid for the first treatment, as she often did. The herbs the doctor also gave me were useless otoh.
Tacenda Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Jeanne said: Thanks Tacenda...he is strong. Hard to get him to take even a Tylenol anymore...it was a scary deal. The pain is an awful thing...but he knows no other way...breaks Mom's heart! https://www.facebook.com/groups/416702921703509/ There is this closed group on FB you might want to join, there are a lot of them that talk about treating pain. Once you are accepted to the group, you can go to the left in the search area that says, "search this group". Put in what type of pain, or what it stems from and many posts will turn up. Edited October 12, 2017 by Tacenda
Jeanne Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, Tacenda said: https://www.facebook.com/groups/416702921703509/ There is this closed group on FB you might want to join, there are a lot of them that talk about treating pain. Once you are accepted to the group, you can go to the left in the search area that says, "search this group". Put in what type of pain, or what it stems from and many posts will turn up. Thank you so much!!
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