I’m Back, Did You Miss Me? Appropriateness of Singing I am a Child of God

[Tacenda]

50 minutes ago, Rain said:

The words to I am a Child of God is not any less universal.  

Even if we don't look at words and meaning of the song it isn't exclusively sung by mormons. It was a surprise to me to find out years ago that the song is sung in other churches, but it showed me it wasn't only an LDS song. 

I didn't know that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_a_Child_of_God I wonder what other churches sing it.

Edited April 15, 2017 by Tacenda

[juliann]

6 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

Well, the meme may describe a few people's reaction, but aren't memes memes because they generally reflect reality?
In this case, no, it's not true.

Nor is it appropriate to drop it in front of a group of Mormons. Mormons do make fun of themselves, but this is not funny to anyone who doesn't hate Mormons, it is mean and meant to vilify. 

[Calm]

" I respect the screaming, tears, crying and panic but when she burst into song I thought (this isn't what I thought but I'll put in words appropriate for MD&D) "good grief really". All I wanted to do was die in peace but no even this was going to be taken away from me by the freaking mormons on board "

So JC is so tired of having Mormons invade every part of his life that he even gags at a childlike comfort behaviour in the middle of a panic inducing experience, yet he wants to hang out on a board with tons of Mormons dissecting his thought processes?

I find the reasoning inconsistent.

[JulieM]

9 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I didn't know that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_a_Child_of_God I wonder what other churches sing it.

I don't know of any other churches that use it or sing it.  I think it's pretty much just a Mormon song.  But who knows?  Maybe others heard it and use it now too...

[juliann]

6 minutes ago, Calm said:

" I respect the screaming, tears, crying and panic but when she burst into song I thought (this isn't what I thought but I'll put in words appropriate for MD&D) "good grief really". All I wanted to do was die in peace but no even this was going to be taken away from me by the freaking mormons on board "

So JC is so tired of having Mormons invade every part of his life that he even gags at a childlike comfort behaviour in the middle of a panic inducing experience, yet he wants to hang out on a board with tons of Mormons dissecting his thought processes?

I find the reasoning inconsistent.

I'm still stuck at the part that he thinks being surrounded by screaming people is peaceful. If only the freaking critics that surround us day in and day out could be calmed by a gag inducing song. I'd sing it all day.

[Tacenda]

19 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

Well, the meme may describe a few people's reaction, but aren't memes memes because they generally reflect reality?
In this case, no, it's not true.

I've read of several instances where it turned from night to day the reactions of loved ones to someone leaving the church. I'm sure the person leaving may have possibly incited something too, but look at our own Jeanne and how she's treated by her father. Not everyone is as you and your wife are.

[Tacenda]

14 minutes ago, juliann said:

Nor is it appropriate to drop it in front of a group of Mormons. Mormons do make fun of themselves, but this is not funny to anyone who doesn't hate Mormons, it is mean and meant to vilify. 

I don't hate Mormons, I've just read of some LDS that turned ugly towards someone close to them, in anger. 

[Rain]

20 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I didn't know that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_a_Child_of_God I wonder what other churches sing it.

I know where the song came from, but just as songs from other religions have found a home in our hymnbook our songs can find ways into their services as well.

I don't know which churches have had "I am a Child of God" sung in their services.  One day on this crafting board someone mentioned that their children's group had this song..  I didn't say anything at the time, but it made me smile. Others said they had sung it as well.  These were all women who were not LDS.  I just don't remember which church they came from.  

[juliann]

1 minute ago, Tacenda said:

I don't hate Mormons, I've just read of some LDS that turned ugly towards someone close to them, in anger. 

So your solution is to dump hateful visuals like that on us.

Does the saying with friends like that.....  work here? 

[Bernard Gui]

1 hour ago, JulieM said:

I was thinking about this as well.  What song could more people relate to or find comfort in?  

I thought of Amazing Grace and also How Great Thou Art.  But then someone would have maybe been offended by those too?

I'll put those in my memory bank and haul them out the next time I am in mortal danger. Wouldn't want to offend anyone with If You Could Hie to Kolob.

[JulieM]

3 minutes ago, Rain said:

I know where the song came from, but just as songs from other religions have found a home in our hymnbook our songs can find ways into their services as well.

I don't know which churches have had "I am a Child of God" sung in their services.  One day on this crafting board someone mentioned that their children's group had this song..  I didn't say anything at the time, but it made me smile. Others said they had sung it as well.  These were all women who were not LDS.  I just don't remember which church they came from.  

That's cool, but I'll bet there was a member of the church in their child's singing group.  

Edited April 15, 2017 by JulieM

[Tacenda]

1 minute ago, juliann said:

So your solution is to dump hateful visuals like that on us.

Does the saying with friends like that.....  work here? 

Paint me as the bad guy. Should have listened to the voice of reason and not posted it. But the picture in my mind of the stories I've read pushed me, or the little red devil on my shoulder.

[Bernard Gui]

1 hour ago, juliann said:

I take a guess that it had more to do with the familiarity and ease of lyrics. Now if they had a band playing while the plane went down.....

Hey! I already covered that. I would haul out my fiddle and play a tune.

[JulieM]

10 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I don't hate Mormons, I've just read of some LDS that turned ugly towards someone close to them, in anger. 

Oh...I've heard some heartbreaking stories.  I know of an older couple who have not been allowed to see their new grandchild (now almost 2 years old!) because they no longer go to church and they were previously very close.  I'm sure there's stories from both sides of this though...

Edited April 15, 2017 by JulieM

[Bernard Gui]

1 hour ago, SteveO said:

Just out of curiosity, has anyone on that board ever "recovered" completely from Mormonism?  Any success stories?  At what point do people get over it and finally move on with their lives?

We know what the answer from AA would be.

[juliann]

2 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Paint me as the bad guy. Should have listened to the voice of reason and not posted it. But the picture in my mind of the stories I've read pushed me, or the little red devil on my shoulder.

Seriously, your game is getting old. You do something that is mean and provocative and then pass out  little "oh don't mind me, I was only...." excuses as if that makes it all OK. 

It is not about who is good or bad. It is about having the decency to know what is appropriate for the group of people you happen to be in. If you go into other groups you don't like and start dropping the pictures in your mind, it might look less like the passive-aggressiveness it most certainly is. 

[juliann]

7 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

Hey! I already covered that. I would haul out my fiddle and play a tune.

Bernard, the rule of success is to take over someone else's idea and make it your own. 

[Bernard Gui]

19 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I've read of several instances where it turned from night to day the reactions of loved ones to someone leaving the church. I'm sure the person leaving may have possibly incited something too, but look at our own Jeanne and how she's treated by her father. Not everyone is as you and your wife are.

And I know personally many instances where that does not happen. I also know many instances when the person who leaves burns all bridges, houses, and crops,  and salts the fields and poisons the wells on their departure. 

[Tacenda]

9 minutes ago, juliann said:

Seriously, your game is getting old. You do something that is mean and provocative and then pass out  little "oh don't mind me, I was only...." excuses as if that makes it all OK. 

It is not about who is good or bad. It is about having the decency to know what is appropriate for the group of people you happen to be in. If you go into other groups you don't like and start dropping the pictures in your mind, it might look less like the passive-aggressiveness it most certainly is. 

I know the group that is on this thread and I thought they could take it. It isn't what I thought any of them would do, never. But what maybe has happened to people like JC. ETA: Or I think I know them from being on here nonstop. But I will definitely take it off, and if anyone quoted me, will you do the same?

Edited April 15, 2017 by Tacenda

[juliann]

Just now, Tacenda said:

I know the group that is on this thread and I thought they could take it. It isn't what I thought any of them would do, never. But what maybe has happened to people like JC. 

Thought they could "take it?" How thoughtful, given that it was entirely unnecessary and mean spirited. But if it gives you joy, by all means, we are at your service.

[Jeanne]

1 hour ago, juliann said:

I would have preferred Popcorn Popping on the Apricot Tree.....

I get ya..I am thinking..maybe Give Sai the Little Stream.

Actually, like Tacenda...I would be passed out way before all that.

[Tacenda]

3 minutes ago, juliann said:

Thought they could "take it?" How thoughtful, given that it was entirely unnecessary and mean spirited. But if it gives you joy, by all means, we are at your service.

I guess my word usage must just be lame or something. I take back "take it".

[Calm]

31 minutes ago, JulieM said:

That's cool, but I'll bet there was a member of the church in their child's singing group.  

A number of .LDS artists have broken into the greater Christian music world, like Greg Olsen has done with Christian art (Greg Olsen was the number one Christian artist in Canada back in 2001, when I worked at the bookstore a seller came by to pick up some extras and told me he made a point of not telling his customers that Greg was Mormon).  They could have come across the song in that way.  Hilary Weeks was popular with nonmormons last I heard.  She has done a version of I am a child of God.

Edited April 15, 2017 by Calm

[Bernard Gui]

9 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I know the group that is on this thread and I thought they could take it. It isn't what I thought any of them would do, never. But what maybe has happened to people like JC. ETA: Or I think I know them from being on here nonstop. But I will definitely take it off, and if anyone quoted me, will you do the same?

It is possible that some of us seeing that meme and reading it in context of an Apostles expression of his feelings might have the same gag reflex JC reported. 

[bluebell]

5 hours ago, JulieM said:

Of course.  But don't attribute feelings to JC that he didn't express.  That was my point.  His only statement (that I saw) about other's reactions on the plane was it "did seem to calm them down". Nothing about him feeling that reaction was inappropriate.

I think you've misunderstood me; I probably didn't express myself very well. 

I haven't spoken at all about others reaction to the singing. I've only talked about JC's reaction to it. 

I've posted about him implying that the woman's reaction to the stress of the flight (her singing) was inappropriate.