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This has been troubling me for a while.

Youth suicides have almost tripled in less than the last decade...becoming the #1 cause of death for their age group.

My initial thought was that it was despair...but why specifically Utah?

Some reporters have claimed it was because of the church's recent policy on homosexuality.

 

I'm not so quick to jump to that one...because.

1) Pharmaceutical companies reportedly starting cutting corners on vaccines by using fetus tissue to accelerate the process. I frankly don't have the science background to know how valid such a claim is. Anyone have access to scour that data? (If valid...could there be a spiritual wake/price paid by the rising generation vaccinated by the pharmaceutical companies...by unwittingly partaking of the blood of the innocents?) *If there is truth to the premise that embryo tissue is used for such things...what is the spiritual impact? Are JW's right, to some degree, in their aversion to partaking of blood? Does something resonate in the more-tender hearts of youth as a remnant of the modern slaughter of innocents? If there is merit to such a correlation, how do stop it from happening NOW...and how can we counter what has already been done to the rising generation? Scientists, spiritual counselors, psych counselors, parents, youth, please speak up.

2) Another possibility: Are families in our communities being preyed upon by adults and teens given over to the dark side? Trying to turn our children to the dark through abuse and pain? Either pushing them to the brink of despair (feeling there's no way out because friends/family are threatened with death/pain if they speak) to the point where they give up and end things...or pushing them to the point where they try to let the truth out...and being snuffed in the process (slain for their testimony...). Through such influences as pornography, have snuff killings moved beyond infant tragedies to teenage tragedies? Are Utah's children and teens being specifically targeted and preyed upon...as open warfare against the Restoration?? To know one way or the other, who is watching over my children for me?

Tell me, please, how I can help watch over yours.

What is really happening in Utah?

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I'll add this to the matter of #2.

I once heard a previous victim, still living, who said she knew a young 6-year or 7-year old who supposedly shot herself in the head over abuse. It didn't ring true. But the scenario described instead immediately suggested, (think Malcolm Gladwell's book Blink) that the child was coming to the general age of accountability  - and may have been *finally* promising the predator to tell. That victim who knew of that death said that predators had fired a gun pointed their direction, wounding them. Those two stories suggest that the latter was a warning shot to be silent, and that the former was a kill shot to silence the bleating lamb.

If there is truth to this impression....PLEASE, HOW DO WE STOP IT?

If it is happening here...how do we stop it elsewhere in America?

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5 minutes ago, Thinking said:

It's important to remember when analyzing statistics that association does not guarantee causation. It's also likely that there are multiple contributing factors in any suicide attempt.

I agree there is likely more than one factor. But forget association/causation for just a moment please.

Step back several paces. The bigger picture first please.

WHY UTAH??!

Cui Bono?

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Another case in point. An LDS soldier from Arizona trained to interview/interrogate captured combatants served in Iraq at the start of the conflict. She objected to the treatment of the prisoners.

And then, according to command, she shot herself with an M16.   ?!

Really? I've held and fired an M16 (only on a target range during boot camp). 

What's more realistic?

That someone shot themselves with such a thing?
Or that the outcry of her testimony against the outrageous treatment of fellow humans was silenced?

Methinks the beast has been busy lately....blaming murder of the innocents on depression and suicide.

My thoughts on the Patriot Act. (Don't mistake the actresses' false grin. If you watch the full clip, you'll see how disappointed she is with Peter's sullied values.)

The Patriot Act reminds me of the Men Working sign. (If it was always obvious that the workers were working hard on our taxpayer dime...we wouldn't need a fricking sign to insist that three guys leaning on shovels while one digs somehow is "Men" working.) Patriots actually act. No one just law is any more patriotic than another. And a law that claims to be patriotic but tries to strip citizens and residents of rights protected by the Constitution is treason...intentional or otherwise...especially when 9/11 was a false-flag operation. And stripping the supposed enemy of rights guaranteed under international treaty is cowardice that is beyond unjust.

 

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45 minutes ago, VideoGameJunkie said:

High altitude causes stress.

Are you asserting Utah is higher in altitude now than it was a decade ago?

If so, why?

If not, are you instead implying something quite different? Something much more direct? ? ? !

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23 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Children are abused more in Utah, according to this statistic. http://kutv.com/news/local/utah-has-high-rates-of-child-abuse-sex-abuse-of-children

Are you sure?

"Carrie Jensen of Prevent Child Abuse said Utah has tougher laws than other states and may pursue child abuse more vigorously and that might help explain the [seemingly] high rates.

She wants to make sure help is more available for the victim and to pursue prosecution for the perpetrators.

But child abuse is difficult to count and victims are often unable to speak out or get help."

Based on this context, rather than abuse being *more* common in Utah...it is just more frequently reported/caught and therefore more visible. If the above quote is true, our legislatures, judges, and men/women in blue are simply doing their job better - as are parents and teachers at guiding their children about physical boundaries and speaking out. 

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16 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Children are abused more in Utah, according to this statistic. http://kutv.com/news/local/utah-has-high-rates-of-child-abuse-sex-abuse-of-children

Kind of. The statistics in that article are hard to follow. It says that 27 percent of their child abuse cases are sexual abuse and 13 percent are neglect and that the first rate is the highest and the other is very low. That is incredibly bad reporting. It doesn't say much. It doesn't mean that there are more sexual abuse cases in absolute terms or more per capita. It just means that there are a higher percentage that do occur. It does say that they are eighth in overall abuse but I am not sure if that is per capita or absolute numbers.

The neglect rate is very low. In most states neglect cases are the majority. Sex abuse is also hard to catch. Having a high rate can just mean a state's population is better at reporting or their CPS service is better at investigating. The numbers are also always lower then reality. The horrifying reality is that if you want to abuse your children (sexually physically or however) and are smart about it your odds of getting caught are very low. Fortunately most of them are morons but even then we do not catch all of those. :( 

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2 hours ago, notHagoth7 said:

Anyone have access to scour that data?

Here is a list of ingredients to vaccines: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf

The aborted human fetus material is often called, "Human Serum Albumin," or, "Human Albumin," or, "Human Diploid," etc..

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2 hours ago, notHagoth7 said:

I agree there is likely more than one factor. But forget association/causation for just a moment please.

Step back several paces. The bigger picture first please.

WHY UTAH??!

Cui Bono?

You are asking why and then telling him to forget causation?  How do you expect anyone to answer you if they can't explore the whys?

It comes across that you want a simple solution.  Please point to where anyone has shown anything besides associated risk factors.  If  you want to know the why, stop yelling at others to tell you and go do your own research to find out what is actually known rather than speculate on rumors which is worse than useless when it comes to this topic.

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Hagoth, not or otherwise...

What in the world are you claiming?  The suicide rate is so high because they are actually murders?  And these murders are happening in Utah why?

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16 minutes ago, Calm said:

What in the world are you claiming?  The suicide rate is so high because they are actually murders?  And these murders are happening in Utah why?

No I was only answering this part of the request from the OP since I know where to find the ingredient list of vaccines from the CDC:

2 hours ago, notHagoth7 said:

1) Pharmaceutical companies reportedly starting cutting corners on vaccines by using fetus tissue to accelerate the process. I frankly don't have the science background to know how valid such a claim is. Anyone have access to scour that data?

I have no claims whatsoever on suicide rates/murders in Utah, etc., since I haven't studied anything about it at all.

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1 hour ago, waveslider said:

Here is a list of ingredients to vaccines: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf

The aborted human fetus material is often called, "Human Serum Albumin," or, "Human Albumin," or, "Human Diploid," etc..

Ick.

Soylent Green.

Thank you for bringing this to the surface.

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1 hour ago, Calm said:

You are asking why and then telling him to forget causation?  How do you expect anyone to answer you if they can't explore the whys?

It comes across that you want a simple solution.  Please point to where anyone has shown anything besides associated risk factors.  If  you want to know the why, stop yelling at others to tell you and go do your own research to find out what is actually known rather than speculate on rumors which is worse than useless when it comes to this topic.

Fair. You're right. Why and causation *are* the same things, as you say. I'm a simple man, and if a word has more than two syllables...

Wasn't aware I was yelling...other than a brief emphatic please/why.

Would do, as you suggest, more firsthand research of my own on the matter, but am frustratingly *very* limited in my travel/access options...

2 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Are you okay? Your posts read like the beginnings of a psychotic break. I am not saying that is what is happening but if you feel out of it (or more with it then ever before) please talk to someone.

Absolutely not OK pondering this kinda stuff. Who would be? Especially w/what I've found.

When all is finally said and done, may you be the person I talk to?

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5 hours ago, Calm said:

What in the world are you claiming?  The suicide rate is so high because they are actually murders?  And these murders are happening in Utah why?

That is exactly what I am claiming.

First, I am claiming that our children are being fed/injected murdered-baby stew...which may be affecting their body/soul/psyche. Remember, human flesh is what they tried to get an imprisoned Joseph to eat. Imposed survivor guilt depravely designed to crush the most sensitive souls.

Second, yes, I am precisely saying that many of Utah's/America's children are being first terrorized, and then murdered. Unwilling human sacrifice for personal gain (power/pleasure/wealth) *is* Satan's ongoing plan. 

Third, as to the why, Utah is apparently an epicenter to such murders...to shatter the resolve and credibility of the message of the Restoration, a latter-day bastion that clearly and understandingly teaches that God's scriptures ARE true and trustworthy. The enemy is beyond the gates. 

  • In Star Trek, Bones can say "Dammit man, I'm a Doctor, not a physicist.",
  • In this context, I now claim the right to say, "Dammit man*kind*, I'm a mad/FURIOUS social scientist, not a frikkin asteroid." (yep, my degree was in Social Sciences/History)
  • Yep, a MAD (social) SCIENTIST.  ARGH!
  • 3 Nephi - angels please encircle/bless our little ones...
  • And to be CRYSTAL clear to my true friends far and wide, I am (for now) the dread pirate Roberta. (As in "Good work. Sleep well...") For any AND ALL with an ear to hear.
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1 hour ago, waveslider said:

No I was only answering this part of the request from the OP since I know where to find the ingredient list of vaccines from the CDC:

I have no claims whatsoever on suicide rates/murders in Utah, etc., since I haven't studied anything about it at all.

That was a weird glitch, I quoted another post but yours showed up.  Sorry for the confusion, usually I check.

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Ok, it is 4am and I am waiting for my blood sugar to be normal before I go to sleep so maybe my mind is just not working right, but could I get some more help in understanding what you are saying please?

Usually when someone is looking at an abnormal stat with Utah they have an assumption that it has to do with the church, especially when posting on an LDS themed board.

You seem to be asking if the rate of suicide is caused by what is in vaccines and whether someone has targeted Utah with those vaccines. Is this what you are asking?  

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3 hours ago, Rain said:

...could I get some more help in understanding what you are saying please?

Of course.

3 hours ago, Rain said:

*Usually* when someone is looking at an abnormal stat with Utah they have an assumption that it has to do with the church, especially when posting on an LDS themed board.

I have no axe to grind with the church.

With others?

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3 hours ago, Rain said:

You seem to be asking if the rate of suicide is caused [in part] by what is in vaccines...Is this what you are asking?  

Yes. And I already have a sufficient answer. But additional input is welcome.

3 hours ago, Rain said:

seem to be asking...whether someone has targeted Utah with those vaccines. Is this what you are asking?  

No. I was instead asking whether someone has targeted Utah's children by committing outright murders disguised as suicides (or driving/tormenting them to suicide). I already have sufficient answer on the lamb issue to roll up the sleeves. Additional input/help is welcome. For the benefit of others.

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https://www.lds.org/ensign/1995/01/news-of-the-church/missouri-honors-man-who-refused-order-to-kill-the-prophet-joseph-smith?lang=eng

To any who think of further harm to the innocent, you will be held to account. Stand down or suffer the eternal fury of a just God.

General Doniphan replied when told to harm the innocent: “It is cold-blooded murder. I will not obey your order. My brigade shall march for Liberty tomorrow morning, at 8 o’clock; and if you execute these men, I will hold you responsible before an earthly tribunal, so help me God.” And/or a heavenly tribunal.

 

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6 hours ago, waveslider said:

No I was only answering this part of the request from the OP since I know where to find the ingredient list of vaccines from the CDC:

I have no claims whatsoever on suicide rates/murders in Utah, etc., since I haven't studied anything about it at all.

SEE https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/aborted-fetal-tissue-and-vaccines-combining-pseudoscience-and-religion-to-demonize-vaccines-2/

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