The Ark of the Covenant is found

[rodheadlee]

I hope Robert Smith and some of the other archaeologist here would comment on this video. It details a voyage in 600 BVC from the Middle East to Panama by Malachi to hide the Ark of the Covenant. I find it interesting that there is a City Of David in Panama. We were to go visit a friend that lived there and we were driven away by a storm. We were not able to enter the creek that they use for a harbor and had to sail away to deeper water. My weather reports indicated smooth water and light winds, it was a local disturbance. I also find it interesting that others are making fun of this find in another thread on this board, it's no wonder we are not allowed to have the plates JS used to bring us the BoM. People shout give us evidence! and when we get some it is ridiculed.

 

[Gray]

Are you certain this is legit? Looks a bit dodgy. 

But more importantly, will looking at the ark directly melt a Nazi's face?

[JLHPROF]

24 minutes ago, rodheadlee said:

. I also find it interesting that others are making fun of this find in another thread on this board, it's no wonder we are not allowed to have the plates JS used to bring us the BoM. People shout give us evidence! and when we get some it is ridiculed.

I am no expert on archaeology so I was not making fun of Aron's thread.
I WAS annoyed that he kept linking to this video in EVERY thread he posted in as an off topic derail.
 

Now it has its own thread I'll let the archaeological experts here determine whether this should be taken seriously or not.

[Ahab]

Good.  So, finally, someone found it.

Was there anything in it, when it was found?  And did it still have the angels made from gold sitting on top of the lid?

And where is it right now?  And how long is it going to be there?

[ttribe]

It seems this came up in 2012 here, as well:

 

[jkwilliams]

48 minutes ago, Gray said:

Are you certain this is legit? Looks a bit dodgy. 

But more importantly, will looking at the ark directly melt a Nazi's face?

A bit dodgy? That would be the understatement of the year. 

[ttribe]

4 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

A bit dodgy? That would be the understatement of the year. 

Yes, but his question about the melting of Nazi faces wins the thread.

[jkwilliams]

Just now, ttribe said:

Yes, but his question about the melting of Nazi faces wins the thread.

It was a nice touch.

[Gray]

5 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

A bit dodgy? That would be the understatement of the year. 

I was trying to be diplomatic

[jkwilliams]

2 minutes ago, Gray said:

I was trying to be diplomatic

One of the odd things to me was someone trying to sound like they had a Latin American accent but who couldn't pronounce Spanish correctly.

[smac97]

Have any trained archaeologists looked at this?  To be honest, this seems to have a "Ron Wyatt discovers..."-esque whiff about it.  It just seems a bit too on-the-nose.

I'd like to see some folks with real credentials/training/experience weigh in.  I would also like to see faithful LDS scholars weigh in.  Frankly, I think LDS scholars may end up being particularly trustworthy in terms of evaluating purported "evidences" associated with The Book of Mormon.  They don't want to set up their fellow Saints (or the Church itself, or their own reputations) for a fall.  Witness, for example, the general indifference (and even opposition) amongst LDS scholars to Jakeman's interpretation of the Izapa Stela 5 artifact.  In contrast, there has been sustained interest in and enthusiasm about the NHM altars and the Astons' work regarding the location of Bountiful.  

Until then, I won't hold my breath.

Thanks,

-Smac

 

 

 

[jkwilliams]

3 minutes ago, smac97 said:

Have any trained archaeologists looked at this?  To be honest, this seems to have a "Ron Wyatt discovers..."-esque whiff about it.  It just seems a bit too on-the-nose.

I'd like to see some folks with real credentials/training/experience weigh in.  I would also like to see faithful LDS scholars weigh in.  Frankly, I think LDS scholars may end up being particularly trustworthy in terms of evaluating purported "evidences" associated with The Book of Mormon.  They don't want to set up their fellow Saints (or the Church itself, or their own reputations) for a fall.  Witness, for example, the general indifference (and even opposition) amongst LDS scholars to Jakeman's interpretation of the Izapa Stela 5 artifact.  In contrast, there has been sustained interest in and enthusiasm about the NHM altars and the Astons' work regarding the location of Bountiful.  

Until then, I won't hold my breath.

Thanks,

-Smac

If this stuff were real, there's no way anyone would be casually picking it up and patting it with their bare hands. And there is no way that ark is legit. It looks like it was spray-painted gold.

[Storm Rider]

I am almost positive the A of the C is in Ethiopia and has been for a very long time.  

[smac97]

6 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

If this stuff were real, there's no way anyone would be casually picking it up and patting it with their bare hands. And there is no way that ark is legit. It looks like it was spray-painted gold.

Yeah, the years-long inattention to this "discovery" by recognized and trained experts, the lack of news coverage, the overtly inept treatment of the "artifacts," and other considerations not bode well for its legitimacy.

Thanks,

-Smac

[Ahab]

Eh, too many doubters.

Let's just rejoice in the idea that the ark has really been found.  For at least a moment or two.

And then we can go back to doubting.

[Aron]

5 hours ago, Ahab said:

Good.  So, finally, someone found it.

Was there anything in it, when it was found?  And did it still have the angels made from gold sitting on top of the lid?

And where is it right now?  And how long is it going to be there?

Yes there were two tablets of the Ten Commandments. One tablet of the Ten Commandments were broken and the other were not broken. Yes the angels are still there made of pure gold.

Between the team of archeologists investigating the identification of the body exhumed from Tomb 13 it had been finally agreed by this compelling evidence concluding the research that it was a very high probability that this mummy “Malchiah” العاهل שָׁלִיט יָחִיד was a descendant of the royal family and most likely the son of King Zedekiah.

Inside the Ark of the Covenant

The discovery of the Ten Commandments was found inside the Ark of the Covenant. The two sets of tablets have the same shape however one is cut by hand using traditional ancient methods of stone masonry and the other shattered tablets are made by an unknown method which seems to have the high quality finish compared only to a modern advance laser stone cutting tool.

"The first set of the stone tablets (shattered) of the Law were each in the shape of a cube made of sapir (sapphire/lapis lazuli; the same material the 'pavement' before God's throne is likened to in Exodus 24:10). The actual sizes of the stone tablets in our possession today are 50 centimeters long and 25 centimeters wide or 20 inches by 10 inches."

 

The four sides of the stone tablets all have the writings scratched into stone.

We cannot say from what source the writings scratched on stone were engraved, obviously scientific reasoning would not suggest as an expert opinion that the supernatural finger of God was used to scratch the Ten Commandments on stone, however we still do not know the device used in making the Machu Picchu stones that were cut so precisely, and wedged so closely together that a credit card cannot be inserted between them. There are mysteries we cannot at this time explain without further investigation of new evidence.

If we were to say it was God´s finger that made the stone tablets the first time and it was God that wrote on both tablets or whether it was Moses´s hands; one thing is for sure both sets of the stone tablets are not engraved with a chisel or deep engravings by supernatural force but instead the Ten Commandments were scratched into the stones.

The writings are light superficial scratches and not deep sculptured letters used by a chisel.

The religious anthropologists claim it is the pointer finger of God and God used His finger nail to scratch into the stone tablets.

The ancient tools used to form the second set of stone tablets were not used to chisel out the letters onto the stone tablets and for one very good reason because the slate lapis lazuli stone will shatter if you tried hitting the center of the tablet with a chisel.

Unlike other stone surfaces the mineral lapis lazuli is not strong enough to withstand constant blows of a mallet and chisel and this is why it was easy for Moses to shatter the first tablets when he threw the stone tablets on the ground.

Egyptians were using lapis lazuli as evidence of this mineral was found in ancient Egyptian artifacts such as Tutankhamun's mask, also known as the funerary mask of Tutankhamun. There were traces of lapis lazuli used in features such as the eye brows and other features of the funerary mask that dates back to (1341–1323 BC).

Lapis lazuli was also used in ancient Mesopotamia by the Akkadians, Assyrians, and Babylonians for seals and jewelry. In the Mesopotamian poem the Epic of Gilgamesh (17th-18th Century BC), one of the oldest known works of literature, lapis lazuli is mentioned several times. The Statue of Ebih-Il, a 3rd millennium BC statue found in the ancient city-state of Mari in modern-day Syria, now in the Louvre, uses lapis lazuli inlays for the irises of the eyes.

Lapis lazuli was also used in ancient Egypt, where it was a favorite stone for amulets and ornaments such as scarabs; Lapis jewelry has been found at excavations of the Predynastic Egyptian site Naqada (3300–3100 BC). At Karnak, the relief carvings of Thutmose III (1479-1429 BC) show fragments and barrel-shaped pieces of lapis lazuli being delivered to him as tribute. Powdered lapis was used as eyeshadow by Cleopatra.

Other stones have a strong stress capacity that will not break on impact just from throwing them down on the ground.

 However lapis lazuli is not completely fragile but it is not resistant to heavy intense hitting of a sharp object like a chisel.

The two sets of tablets both weighed very close together because they are roughly the same size and thickness and there is a slight difference in weight but to compare both sets of tablets the shattered set and the man made set are both very close in the scales.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ahab]

Very interesting, Aron!

Thank you for the info!

I don't know yet but it could be true.

And I don't believe God is limited to writing with only his fingers, without any tools.  He made the Liahona and he'said going to be giving some of us a crystal we can use to learn things about his kingdoms so I'm not opposed to the idea that he would write on stones with a laser pen or something like that.

[Anakin7]

I thought that the Ark of The Covenant is residing in a place in Heaven - Revelations 11:19 ?.

In His Eternal Debt/Grace

            Anakin7 

Edited July 1, 2016 by Anakin7

[Aron]

15 hours ago, Anakin7 said:

I thought that the Ark of The Covenant is residing in a place in Heaven - Revelations 11:19 ?.

In His Eternal Debt/Grace

            Anakin7 

yes it will be when the New Jerusalem is established and the lost twelve tribes of Israel are gathered with the Ark of the Covenant it shall be caught up with them into Heaven. See

2 Corinthians 12:4

The tenth article of faith, written by the Prophet Joseph Smith in 1842, declares that the New Jerusalem will be built upon the American continent. He learned this as he translated the Book of Mormon (3 Ne. 20:22; Ether 13:2-6). Additional revelation on this subject came in September 1830 and was further clarified in the subsequent months (D&C 28:9;42:33-36, 62, 67;57:3). Even as the ancient tribes of Israel were scattered north of the Holy Land and their identity was lost, their prophets foretold a gathering of Israel in the last days in a consecrated land (Jer. 31:1-12). Zion would be reestablished.

The writings of Ether, written prior to 125 B.C., abridged by Moroni ₂ in the Book of Mormon, prophesy of the preparations for the coming of the messiah and of a New Jerusalem in the Western Hemisphere. It is to be built by the remnant of the seed of Joseph of Egypt (Ether 13:3-10). Ether also speaks of the destruction of Jerusalem of old, adding that it will be rebuilt with a temple and become a holy city (Ether 13:11).

Also, the book of Revelation speaks of "the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven" (Rev. 21:2, 10). This may relate to the return of the city of Enoch, the Zion that in Enoch's day was caught up into heaven (Moses 7:12-21, 59-64).

The future rebuilding of the Holy Land for the house of Judah and the building of the New Jerusalem in the Western Hemisphere for the house of Joseph are associated with the return of the Messiah to the earth. Of this era, the 1845 Proclamation of the Twelve (MFP 1:252-66) says: He will assemble the Natives, the remnants of Joseph in America; and make them a great, and strong, and powerful nation: and he will civilize and enlighten them, and will establish a holy city, and temple and seat of government among them, which shall be called Zion.

And there shall be his tabernacle, his sanctuary, his throne, and seat of government for the whole continent of North and South America for ever. In short, it will be to the western hemisphere what Jerusalem will be to the eastern….

The city of Zion, with its sanctuary and priesthood, and the glorious fulness of the gospel, will constitute a standard which will put an end to jarring creeds and political wranglings, by uniting the republics, states, provinces, territories, nations, tribes, kindred, tongues, people and sects of North and South America in one great and common bond of brotherhood. Truth and knowledge shall make them free, and love cement their union. The Lord also shall be their king and their lawgiver; while wars shall cease and peace prevail for a thousand years [pp. 259-60].

The prophet Isaiah declared that in a future time "out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem" (Isa. 2:2-3; cf. Micah 4:1-2). Latter-day Saints believe this refers to the two Zion headquarters in the two hemispheres from which the Messiah, the returned Son of God, will reign triumphantly over the whole earth. GRAHAM W. DOXEY

[The Nehor]

On June 30, 2016 at 11:56 AM, jkwilliams said:

If this stuff were real, there's no way anyone would be casually picking it up and patting it with their bare hands. And there is no way that ark is legit. It looks like it was spray-painted gold.

Plus unless they are Levites it should be killing them. This is more then basic ark-steadying.

23 hours ago, Ahab said:

Eh, too many doubters.

Let's just rejoice in the idea that the ark has really been found.  For at least a moment or two.

And then we can go back to doubting.

If there was any indication this was real academics would be crawling over each other trying to get involved or to study it. Jews would be demanding its return. Muslims and Christians would want it. They got nothing and they certainly know it. Instead they are inventing religious discoveries to get gain and glory of the world. Priestcraft does not generally end well.

[theplains]

If you read the Old Testament description of the ark you won't be fooled by such forgeries.

Jim

[Calm]

If someone is appealing to academics as evidence...in essence claiming science is proving spiritual claims, they need to be able to demonstrate actual academic involvement.  Since there is nothing independent of the original claims, there is nothing to rejoice.

[Ahab]

28 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

If there was any indication this was real academics would be crawling over each other trying to get involved or to study it. Jews would be demanding its return. Muslims and Christians would want it. They got nothing and they certainly know it. Instead they are inventing religious discoveries to get gain and glory of the world. Priestcraft does not generally end well.

You apparently have more faith in the Gentiles among academics and Jews and Muslims and Christians (sic) than I do.

[The Nehor]

11 minutes ago, Ahab said:

You apparently have more faith in the Gentiles among academics and Jews and Muslims and Christians (sic) than I do.

I have faith in their sense of greed, desire for the spotlight, and lust for prestige. They have never failed me in this before.

[Aron]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

Plus unless they are Levites it should be killing them. This is more then basic ark-steadying.

If there was any indication this was real academics would be crawling over each other trying to get involved or to study it. Jews would be demanding its return. Muslims and Christians would want it. They got nothing and they certainly know it. Instead they are inventing religious discoveries to get gain and glory of the world. Priestcraft does not generally end well.

First of all that is not true that only Levites can handle the Ark of the Covenant.

Regarding the touching of the Ark and dropping dead, well for one thing, you would have to believe in God and the Ark had that power to do that before you were struct down!
 I would think anyway, because the time that happened with Uzzah he was punished as a believer not as a secular doctor of archaeology.

It is important to note God’s instructions pertaining to the ark, and why Uzzah was punished and killed on the spot.

It is correct that only the Levites could carry the ark in a very specified way, and that they were not allowed to touch any of the holy things (Numbers 4:15,19-20; Exodus 25:13-16). When David had the ark transported, but not in the prescribed way (compare 1 Chronicles 13:7), Uzzah saw how the ark started to slip, and he “put his hand to the ark” (1 Chronicles 13:9-10) and was killed. 

At the same time, we read that the Philistines (non-Levites) took the ark and placed it in the temple of Dagon, and that they sent it later to other cities, but they were not killed in the process (1 Samuel 5). They clearly moved the ark without being authorized to do so, and even touched it (1 Samuel 6:8, 11).
 

It is also important to realize that all our staff have great respect for any type of ancient artifcat that we find and we deal with each item with the upmost care when working on a piece.

We are not in the profession to use any relic for personal heathen religious ceremonies as was the case with the Philistines (non-Levites) took the ark and placed it in the temple of Dagon.

We are not defiling the Ark of the Covenant and we are not using it as an idol to falsely worship a pagan god like Dagon to blaspheme God so I believe if God wanted our team to discover the Ark of the Covenant it was for a purpose that maybe we cannot understand, as we know God works in mysterious ways and if Christ was not defiled for having a prostitute wipe her tears with her hair on Christ´s feet, even the Apostle Paul said it was "Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: it is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let ever man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband." 1 Corinthians 7:1-2


 I presume we cannot be held accountable of the sin of blasphemy for our work as archeologists in a museum for the sole purpose of discovering and revealing all things pertaining to humanity and nature for the betterment of mankind.
 

The Ark of the Covenant was mostly used for healing the sick and descearning truth as well as other sacred purposes. It was not a weapon of war but rather it it is the mercy seat of God on earth for the purpose of administering His ordinances on earth as it is in heaven. If it was used in battle it was only to be brought out in the field when God had a purpose but other than that the Ark was a multi purpose instrument used for various reasons.

Actually the majority of the archeologists involved in the excavation of the Ark of the Covenant are Jews please see the list below: you can see in the credits at the end of the video this list as well.

Fort David Archaeological and Anthropological Science Museum

 

Patrocinador

Fundacion Castilla del Oro

Cristobal Colon XX

Pascual Monañes

Archaeological Team of the Fort David Museum

Linguist specialist in ancient languages Dr. Samuel Aron Weinstein

Forensic Archeologist Dr. David Moses Ben-Zvi

 

List of the team Archeologists

Dr. Levi Avi-Yonah

Ephraim Tsafrir

Amos Epstein

Jacob Bar-Yosef

Benjamin Kochavi

Nathan Finkelstein

Avraham Horowitz

Shabtai Sheftel Abulafia

David Cohen

Aaron Yahalom