The Nehor Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 17 minutes ago, Aron said: First of all that is not true that only Levites can handle the Ark of the Covenant. Regarding the touching of the Ark and dropping dead, well for one thing, you would have to believe in God and the Ark had that power to do that before you were struct down! I would think anyway, because the time that happened with Uzzah he was punished as a believer not as a secular doctor of archaeology. It is important to note God’s instructions pertaining to the ark, and why Uzzah was punished and killed on the spot. It is correct that only the Levites could carry the ark in a very specified way, and that they were not allowed to touch any of the holy things (Numbers 4:15,19-20; Exodus 25:13-16). When David had the ark transported, but not in the prescribed way (compare 1 Chronicles 13:7), Uzzah saw how the ark started to slip, and he “put his hand to the ark” (1 Chronicles 13:9-10) and was killed. At the same time, we read that the Philistines (non-Levites) took the ark and placed it in the temple of Dagon, and that they sent it later to other cities, but they were not killed in the process (1 Samuel 5). They clearly moved the ark without being authorized to do so, and even touched it (1 Samuel 6:8, 11). It is also important to realize that all our staff have great respect for any type of ancient artifcat that we find and we deal with each item with the upmost care when working on a piece. We are not in the profession to use any relic for personal heathen religious ceremonies as was the case with the Philistines (non-Levites) took the ark and placed it in the temple of Dagon. We are not defiling the Ark of the Covenant and we are not using it as an idol to falsely worship a pagan god like Dagon to blaspheme God so I believe if God wanted our team to discover the Ark of the Covenant it was for a purpose that maybe we cannot understand, as we know God works in mysterious ways and if Christ was not defiled for having a prostitute wipe her tears with her hair on Christ´s feet, even the Apostle Paul said it was "Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: it is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let ever man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband." 1 Corinthians 7:1-2 I presume we cannot be held accountable of the sin of blasphemy for our work as archeologists in a museum for the sole purpose of discovering and revealing all things pertaining to humanity and nature for the betterment of mankind. The Ark of the Covenant was mostly used for healing the sick and descearning truth as well as other sacred purposes. It was not a weapon of war but rather it it is the mercy seat of God on earth for the purpose of administering His ordinances on earth as it is in heaven. If it was used in battle it was only to be brought out in the field when God had a purpose but other than that the Ark was a multi purpose instrument used for various reasons. Actually the majority of the archeologists involved in the excavation of the Ark of the Covenant are Jews please see the list below: you can see in the credits at the end of the video this list as well. Fort David Archaeological and Anthropological Science Museum Patrocinador Fundacion Castilla del Oro Cristobal Colon XX Pascual Monañes Archaeological Team of the Fort David Museum Linguist specialist in ancient languages Dr. Samuel Aron Weinstein Forensic Archeologist Dr. David Moses Ben-Zvi List of the team Archeologists Dr. Levi Avi-Yonah Ephraim Tsafrir Amos Epstein Jacob Bar-Yosef Benjamin Kochavi Nathan Finkelstein Avraham Horowitz Shabtai Sheftel Abulafia David Cohen Aaron Yahalom That was a lot of words to just say their chakras are aligned and their kundalini had risen which would make equal sense.
Ahab Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 Eh, now I am losing what little hope I had that the ark has really been found by your team, Aron. But then again, God does work in mysterious ways, so I still have a little bitty bit of hope that what you guys have found is it. Time will tell, I suppose. Do you have any idea of how long it will be before your discovery becomes more prominent in the news?
Calm Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 Total scam...scholars do not actually exist and pictures photoshopped: 2
Calm Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 ephraim tsafrir appears to be a soccer player No Weinstein by that first name in the field nor Avi-Yonah nor Amos Epstein nor BarJosef. Scam
ksfisher Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 23 minutes ago, Calm said: Total scam...scholars do not actually exist and pictures photoshopped: But you can hold your wedding reception or your child's next birthday party at Fort David. http://www.fortdavid.com/fort-david-events.html
Aron Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 On 30/6/2016 at 10:29 AM, rodheadlee said: I hope Robert Smith and some of the other archaeologist here would comment on this video. It details a voyage in 600 BVC from the Middle East to Panama by Malachi to hide the Ark of the Covenant. I find it interesting that there is a City Of David in Panama. We were to go visit a friend that lived there and we were driven away by a storm. We were not able to enter the creek that they use for a harbor and had to sail away to deeper water. My weather reports indicated smooth water and light winds, it was a local disturbance. I also find it interesting that others are making fun of this find in another thread on this board, it's no wonder we are not allowed to have the plates JS used to bring us the BoM. People shout give us evidence! and when we get some it is ridiculed. On 30/6/2016 at 11:20 AM, Ahab said: Good. So, finally, someone found it. Was there anything in it, when it was found? And did it still have the angels made from gold sitting on top of the lid? And where is it right now? And how long is it going to be there? Hi again, there was recentley a news report of the Ark of the Covenant discovered in Panama and also a press conferance with an official Dr. of anthropology giving a fall report of the findings of the Ark of the Covenant being discovered in Panama. This is the video of the press conferance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJETGQoQ5Bw
Aron Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 On 30/6/2016 at 10:29 AM, rodheadlee said: I hope Robert Smith and some of the other archaeologist here would comment on this video. It details a voyage in 600 BVC from the Middle East to Panama by Malachi to hide the Ark of the Covenant. I find it interesting that there is a City Of David in Panama. We were to go visit a friend that lived there and we were driven away by a storm. We were not able to enter the creek that they use for a harbor and had to sail away to deeper water. My weather reports indicated smooth water and light winds, it was a local disturbance. I also find it interesting that others are making fun of this find in another thread on this board, it's no wonder we are not allowed to have the plates JS used to bring us the BoM. People shout give us evidence! and when we get some it is ridiculed. On 30/6/2016 at 11:20 AM, Ahab said: Good. So, finally, someone found it. Was there anything in it, when it was found? And did it still have the angels made from gold sitting on top of the lid? And where is it right now? And how long is it going to be there? Hello Ahab, regarding the Ark of the covenant discovered in Panama there was resently a new report, please see the news release on this link at http://www.fortdavidmuseum.com/laestrella/laestrella-com.html
bcuzbcuz Posted August 4, 2016 Posted August 4, 2016 On 30 June 2016 at 11:45 PM, Aron said: Yes there were two tablets of the Ten Commandments. One tablet of the Ten Commandments were broken and the other were not broken. Yes the angels are still there made of pure gold. Between the team of archeologists investigating the identification of the body exhumed from Tomb 13 it had been finally agreed by this compelling evidence concluding the research that it was a very high probability that this mummy “Malchiah” العاهل שָׁלִיט יָחִיד was a descendant of the royal family and most likely the son of King Zedekiah. Inside the Ark of the Covenant The discovery of the Ten Commandments was found inside the Ark of the Covenant. The two sets of tablets have the same shape however one is cut by hand using traditional ancient methods of stone masonry and the other shattered tablets are made by an unknown method which seems to have the high quality finish compared only to a modern advance laser stone cutting tool. "The first set of the stone tablets (shattered) of the Law were each in the shape of a cube made of sapir (sapphire/lapis lazuli; the same material the 'pavement' before God's throne is likened to in Exodus 24:10). The actual sizes of the stone tablets in our possession today are 50 centimeters long and 25 centimeters wide or 20 inches by 10 inches." The four sides of the stone tablets all have the writings scratched into stone. We cannot say from what source the writings scratched on stone were engraved, obviously scientific reasoning would not suggest as an expert opinion that the supernatural finger of God was used to scratch the Ten Commandments on stone, however we still do not know the device used in making the Machu Picchu stones that were cut so precisely, and wedged so closely together that a credit card cannot be inserted between them. There are mysteries we cannot at this time explain without further investigation of new evidence. If we were to say it was God´s finger that made the stone tablets the first time and it was God that wrote on both tablets or whether it was Moses´s hands; one thing is for sure both sets of the stone tablets are not engraved with a chisel or deep engravings by supernatural force but instead the Ten Commandments were scratched into the stones. The writings are light superficial scratches and not deep sculptured letters used by a chisel. The religious anthropologists claim it is the pointer finger of God and God used His finger nail to scratch into the stone tablets. The ancient tools used to form the second set of stone tablets were not used to chisel out the letters onto the stone tablets and for one very good reason because the slate lapis lazuli stone will shatter if you tried hitting the center of the tablet with a chisel. Unlike other stone surfaces the mineral lapis lazuli is not strong enough to withstand constant blows of a mallet and chisel and this is why it was easy for Moses to shatter the first tablets when he threw the stone tablets on the ground. Egyptians were using lapis lazuli as evidence of this mineral was found in ancient Egyptian artifacts such as Tutankhamun's mask, also known as the funerary mask of Tutankhamun. There were traces of lapis lazuli used in features such as the eye brows and other features of the funerary mask that dates back to (1341–1323 BC). Lapis lazuli was also used in ancient Mesopotamia by the Akkadians, Assyrians, and Babylonians for seals and jewelry. In the Mesopotamian poem the Epic of Gilgamesh (17th-18th Century BC), one of the oldest known works of literature, lapis lazuli is mentioned several times. The Statue of Ebih-Il, a 3rd millennium BC statue found in the ancient city-state of Mari in modern-day Syria, now in the Louvre, uses lapis lazuli inlays for the irises of the eyes. Lapis lazuli was also used in ancient Egypt, where it was a favorite stone for amulets and ornaments such as scarabs; Lapis jewelry has been found at excavations of the Predynastic Egyptian site Naqada (3300–3100 BC). At Karnak, the relief carvings of Thutmose III (1479-1429 BC) show fragments and barrel-shaped pieces of lapis lazuli being delivered to him as tribute. Powdered lapis was used as eyeshadow by Cleopatra. Other stones have a strong stress capacity that will not break on impact just from throwing them down on the ground. However lapis lazuli is not completely fragile but it is not resistant to heavy intense hitting of a sharp object like a chisel. The two sets of tablets both weighed very close together because they are roughly the same size and thickness and there is a slight difference in weight but to compare both sets of tablets the shattered set and the man made set are both very close in the scales. Lapis lazuli was not of Egyptian origin but was imported in ancient times from what is now known as Afghanistan. It is still imported from the same places. Lapis means stone and the reason most lapis lazuli artifacts are small is because they are from small stones.
Calm Posted August 4, 2016 Posted August 4, 2016 But apparently it can come in large pieces: http://f.tqn.com/y/cruises/1/S/w/s/3/Hermitage_34.JPG
Gray Posted August 4, 2016 Posted August 4, 2016 They better find some Kohathites to carry that thing, otherwise there could be some casualties.
bcuzbcuz Posted August 4, 2016 Posted August 4, 2016 17 minutes ago, Calm said: But apparently it can come in large pieces: http://f.tqn.com/y/cruises/1/S/w/s/3/Hermitage_34.JPG I stand corrected. I thought the urn was of Russian green malachite. I have a photo of it from my visit to the Hermitage with my son in 1985. We apparently did not register the urn made from lapis lazuli, but I see there are pictures of it online.
Calm Posted August 4, 2016 Posted August 4, 2016 I don't know if they are claiming God was involved, ancient aliens or ancient advanced civilizations, but once you go there, limits determined by our current level of scientific knowledge are out the window anyway, so known sizes are rather irrelevant to this narrative. Considering the value of such a large piece, I would like to see a picture of it and hear some appraisalof its composition.
bcuzbcuz Posted August 4, 2016 Posted August 4, 2016 16 minutes ago, Calm said: I don't know if they are claiming God was involved, ancient aliens or ancient advanced civilizations, but once you go there, limits determined by our current level of scientific knowledge are out the window anyway, so known sizes are rather irrelevant to this narrative. Considering the value of such a large piece, I would like to see a picture of it and hear some appraisalof its composition. I'm still not convinced the urn displayed from the Hermitage is made from true lapis lazuli. I know that lapis lazuli, that has been mined in Afghanistan for thousands of years, was mined by putting fire at the rock surface and when cooled, would split away from the surrounding rock. False lapis lazuli can be made from dying or tinting other rocks, such as jasper or howlite. I'm not convinced that large slabs could have been obtained from the primative mining methods.
Calm Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 I don't know, I just came across the mention of it in what looked like an academic paper, it mentioned it was occasionally found in multikilogram amounts. You can see the green malachite vase behind the blue one, btw, if youhadn't noticed.
Calm Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 Boy, my memory is poor today, not an academic paper itself. Looks like it was from an educational book, by someone who had not specialized in the field but went into it with some training on a graduate level: http://www.palagems.com/lapis-lazuli-bancroft/
Calm Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 Several decent looking sites confirm it is lapis luzuli,this one may have the region it's from: http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-vase-of-badakhshan-lapis-lazuli-the-small-italian-skylight-hall-the-8505191.html
RevTestament Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 On 06/30/2016 at 10:57 AM, Storm Rider said: I am almost positive the A of the C is in Ethiopia and has been for a very long time. I believe it probably got carried away by Pharoah Neko in his raid, and probably got melted down, but I guess it is possible that it is in Ethiopia, or under the temple mount where Ron Wyatt found it, or gasp, in Panama without its original gold patina...
mnn727 Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 Quote City Of David in Panama Its pronounced Da-veed just that, no 'city of', and has nothing to do with the ark or anything else Biblical. Yes, I've been there. 1
Calm Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 In wiki it claims the "city of David" and that it was named for King David. A wiki editor gone wild perhaps?: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David,_Chiriquí
Storm Rider Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 26 minutes ago, RevTestament said: I believe it probably got carried away by Pharoah Neko in his raid, and probably got melted down, but I guess it is possible that it is in Ethiopia, or under the temple mount where Ron Wyatt found it, or gasp, in Panama without its original gold patina... My comment was a bit tongue in cheek. However, the Ethiopian Orthodox Church has claimed to have the original AofC for a very long time now. I had read a book about this a long time ago entitled The Sign and the Seal. I don't think the author has won the accolades of scholars, but it was an interesting read. As I recall he tried to accomplish too many things in one book so that it made the entire book more fanciful than anything. Regardless, the Ethiopians have for a very long time recounted the story of how the AofC came to their country.
bcuzbcuz Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 10 hours ago, Calm said: Several decent looking sites confirm it is lapis luzuli,this one may have the region it's from: http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-vase-of-badakhshan-lapis-lazuli-the-small-italian-skylight-hall-the-8505191.html Thank you. Your pictures were better quality than mine.
sdrencure Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 Hi Aron: This Panama Mulek & Ark-of-the-Covenant possibility is fascinating! Does anyone know the Tomb 13 Malchia scroll translations are published online? I saw small parts in youtube clips. Also, do you have inside info, other than what is posted online? Thanks! Scott
Atheist Mormon Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 On 6/30/2016 at 10:29 AM, rodheadlee said: I hope Robert Smith and some of the other archaeologist here would comment on this video. It details a voyage in 600 BVC from the Middle East to Panama by Malachi to hide the Ark of the Covenant. I find it interesting that there is a City Of David in Panama. We were to go visit a friend that lived there and we were driven away by a storm. We were not able to enter the creek that they use for a harbor and had to sail away to deeper water. My weather reports indicated smooth water and light winds, it was a local disturbance. I also find it interesting that others are making fun of this find in another thread on this board, it's no wonder we are not allowed to have the plates JS used to bring us the BoM. People shout give us evidence! and when we get some it is ridiculed. I have a better documentary for you.....And I promise, mucho, mucho mas more entertaining..... The one that I grew up with; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSRiAVJydLA Erich von Daniken
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