Am I the only one who likes Lucifer's plan?

[The Nehor]

10 hours ago, Atheist Mormon said:

Back in the days (1976) when missionaries were teaching me in a faraway land, they were teaching the plan of salvation, the great fight between Satan and the armies of God....I thought, why fight when Lucifer is proposing; 

"Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor."

excuse me, but I liked it,  I still like it. The miseries the humankind endures is mind boggling, the US city I live in has beggars/homeless everywhere, out of 7+billion of  humanity how many of them can sustain a normal life? I say more than 50% of humanity depends on other fifty to keep them alive...Back then my life was very hard, I was experiencing horrible experiences one after another. Looking back If a were a god I'd spread the wealth to everyone, let them live in utopia, rather than in dystopia we are experiencing today..... Few years later I realized this whole scheme of religion was wrong from every angle.......

Then I would advise you to serve Lucifer well and experience the fulness of his plan.

[Atheist Mormon]

8 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Then I would advise you to serve Lucifer well and experience the fulness of his plan.

Ahem....No Nehor, I won't serve anybody or bow, I'm past that.For 40yrs of my professional life Somebody always signed my paycheck. But ever since I started to sign my own with 2-3 times amount I knew I would never settle for another mediocre Boss. You see it is not about the money, it has a psychologic healing affect that you don't need anybody in life except your family and friends. It's a great feeling.

Edited May 30, 2016 by Atheist Mormon

[The Nehor]

Just now, Atheist Mormon said:

Ahem....No Nehor, I won't serve anybody or bow, I'm past that.For 40yrs of my professional life Somebody always signed my paycheck. But ever since I started to sign my own with 2-3 times amount I knew I would never settle for another mediocre Boss. You see it is not about the money, it has a psychologic healing affect that you don't need anybody in life except your family and friends. It's a great feeling.

You can't avoid serving one or the other but good luck trying to be neutral.

[Atheist Mormon]

2 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

You can't avoid serving one or the other but good luck trying to be neutral.

Yes I can Nehor, I serve MYSELF. How is that for a plan my friend?

[The Nehor]

Just now, Atheist Mormon said:

Yes I can Nehor, I serve MYSELF. How is that for a plan my friend?

Satan thought of that plan after his first and second plans fell through. He called dibs. Sorry.

[The Mean Farmer]

Father wants to give us more of what He has.   The ability to accept those things is apparently  learned through Agency and the proper use of it.    Satan's plan would redeem all of Father's children but lacks the ability for us to grow as a result. Rendering Satan's plan offering a extremely hallow victory.  It would be wonderful for all of our family to be able accept more of what God can offer, and perhaps one day they can.   

I see why Satan's plan is enticing, but the long view shows it was the wrong way.   Not to mention the questions of whether God could or would offer His glory for free. 

[BCSpace]

2 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said:

what do you mean by economics? Did you know that in the distant future technology and robots will force us to become socialists? Robots will do all the work for us. 

and how do you respond to this? 

 

What do I mean?  Well, you've accurately matched Satan's plan to Socialism; I mean exactly just that.  With robots, it could go a variety of ways.  Having your robots calling my robots and we'll do lunch is a free market capitalist world.  On the other hand, I think it more likely that we have an uprising against robots and technology (Herbert's Buterlian Jihad if you will) before we get to what you foresee.  Otherwise, if we get to something like(?) Asimov's Solaria, then of course Theosis will be impossible.

As for times, culture, and genes, I believe we have complete free-will.  All those things are merely enticements that may be good or evil.  We still have to recognize them as good and evil (or more good or more evil) and choose.

[theplains]

11 hours ago, Atheist Mormon said:

Back in the days (1976) when missionaries were teaching me in a faraway land, they were teaching the plan of salvation, the great fight between Satan and the armies of God....I thought, why fight when Lucifer is proposing; ...

In the past, he was proposing the idea of becoming like God to Eve.  Maybe she even interpreted 
this temptation as an invitation to becoming a Goddess.  This seems like the real temptation 
which took place in the Garden of Eden.

Thanks,
Jim

[BCSpace]

15 minutes ago, theplains said:

In the past, he was proposing the idea of becoming like God to Eve.  Maybe she even interpreted 
this temptation as an invitation to becoming a Goddess.  This seems like the real temptation 
which took place in the Garden of Eden.

Thanks,
Jim

In Genesis 3:22, we see that Satan's proposal about becoming gods was the truth.  It was promising she would not die that was the lie. Genesis 3:4-5. I think herein is well-illustrated Satan's modus operandi.  Truth mixed with error; you will have pleasure, but not have pain.

Edited May 31, 2016 by BCSpace
Update

[Atheist Mormon]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

Satan thought of that plan after his first and second plans fell through. He called dibs. Sorry.

Well Nehor, Satan does not exist, otherwise he'd pay me a visit already.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Atheist Mormon said:

Well, God is not dealing with a child, when he didn't show up in my twenties I was patient. Now that I'm over sixty I have no patience, in fact I want to have my cake and eat it here while I am breathing, I'm way past of disciplined/reprimanded....Besides do I treat my employees that way? I'll promise giving them raises and never...never follow through?....This is God's way. my way is; if I promise I'll do it....Don't believe me, read the Book, it is full of deception...Heck....who would wonder around the desert forty years for a promised land? Most of it was wasteland. Why choose such barren land, I could show God ten million other fertile places.... 

Huh?

[longview]

59 minutes ago, Atheist Mormon said:

Well Nehor, Satan does not exist, otherwise he'd pay me a visit already.

Actually, he loves the illusions you are laboring under.  Therefore he is careful NOT to show himself to you so that you will NOT break out of that illusion.

[rodheadlee]

3 hours ago, Atheist Mormon said:

Yep, beats the heck out of living on streets

Not really.

[Atheist Mormon]

34 minutes ago, Pa Pa said:

Huh?

What part of my response incomprehensible PaPa? You were comparing the relationship of God/Man to Father/son, which is delusional reaching after maturity.

[mfbukowski]

Pointless and uncharitable

Edited May 31, 2016 by mfbukowski

[mfbukowski]

pointless and uncharitable

Edited May 31, 2016 by mfbukowski

[mfbukowski]

Pointless and uncharitable

Edited May 31, 2016 by mfbukowski

[Atheist Mormon]

10 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

 

Prove your way is better?

Not only I know, I can guarantee my way is better....

First off, I will not mass murder all life on this planet, #2-I will not ask to anyone to prove their loyalty by sacrificing their firstborn # 3 I would never bet with satan on Job's loyalty, the guy went through hell&back, for what? #4Why would I force people worship me around the clock and not other Gods? 

The Bible is full of self incriminating stories of God. Nobody has to be a genius to do better than the God Humans created.

[Atheist Mormon]

18 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

Great!!!   So drop the leaches!!  That is what REAL people who create their own destinies do!!   Look at Stalin!!  You could be as powerful as he was- and a true atheist too!!

You are not filling your potential!!

Oh wait- that is a positive value......... that is objectively unjustifiable......   hmmmm..... that is also what Mormons preach.....  hmmmmm

That was not fair assessment, there are millions of atheists like me, do you hear them committing mass murders? 

[mfbukowski]

27 minutes ago, Atheist Mormon said:

Not only I know, I can guarantee my way is better....

First off, I will not mass murder all life on this planet, #2-I will not ask to anyone to prove their loyalty by sacrificing their firstborn # 3 I would never bet with satan on Job's loyalty, the guy went through hell&back, for what? #4Why would I force people worship me around the clock and not other Gods? 

The Bible is full of self incriminating stories of God. Nobody has to be a genius to do better than the God Humans created.

How do you define "better"?  What is your evidence for for your definition?  THAT is the question

[mfbukowski]

24 minutes ago, Atheist Mormon said:

That was not fair assessment, there are millions of atheists like me, do you hear them committing mass murders? 

That was not the question,  the question was, with your assumption set, how do YOU justify anything as morally "better" than anything else?

Most atheists don't even try and cannot answer.

They do not base their assumptions on objective evidence as you do

Edited May 31, 2016 by mfbukowski

[Atheist Mormon]

1 minute ago, mfbukowski said:

That was not the question,  the question was, with your assumption set, how do YOU justify anything as morally "better" than anything else?

I'll repeat the same; 

First off, I will not mass murder all life on this planet, #2-I will not ask to anyone to prove their loyalty by sacrificing their firstborn # 3 I would never bet with satan on Job's loyalty, the guy went through hell&back, for what? #4Why would I force people worship me around the clock and not other Gods? 

The Bible is full of self incriminating stories of God. Nobody has to be a genius to do better than the God Humans created.

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[Glenn101]

13 minutes ago, Atheist Mormon said:

That was not fair assessment, there are millions of atheists like me, do you hear them committing mass murders? 

Lenin and Stalin say hello.

As to your unbeliefs, you are welcome to them. I do not care for them. I do not subscribe to Satan's plan. But why do you even bring this up, if you do not believe in Satan? If you are correct, then there is no God or no Satan to follow either plan.

I know that you have to air your "grievances" here and now, because, if your view is correct, you will never have the chance to say "I told you so!" But if the LDS doctrine is correct, you will (literally) never hear the end of it. 

Glenn

[mfbukowski]

5 minutes ago, Atheist Mormon said:

I'll repeat the same; 

First off, I will not mass murder all life on this planet, #2-I will not ask to anyone to prove their loyalty by sacrificing their firstborn # 3 I would never bet with satan on Job's loyalty, the guy went through hell&back, for what? #4Why would I force people worship me around the clock and not other Gods? 

The Bible is full of self incriminating stories of God. Nobody has to be a genius to do better than the God Humans created.

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That is irrelevant to the argument.  What you would do is the problem- you have NO JUSTIFICATION for you NOT acting that way, based on your assumptions for the need for objective evidence for religious and moral beliefs

WHAT is your justification for NOT doing those things- what is your evidence???

[Avatar4321]

No, you aren't the only one. Every demon and coward who is afraid to be accountable for his actions wanted the same.

I have no desire for totalitarianism. I am my own master. And because of that i submit to the Lord of my own choosing. Because He is true and faithful and will help me become the best me I can be. He will teach me the laws of happiness and patiently help me obey them.