Avatar4321 Posted August 16, 2015 Posted August 16, 2015 https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-of-presidents-of-the-church-ezra-taft-benson/chapter-16-the-elderly-in-the-church?lang=engThis is the lesson from today. How did it go in your quorum, groups and societies? What are your thoughts on it?
Duncan Posted August 16, 2015 Posted August 16, 2015 went great! we covered a bunch of topics within it-wasn't as boring as I thought it would be
hagoth7 Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-of-presidents-of-the-church-ezra-taft-benson/chapter-16-the-elderly-in-the-church?lang=engThis is the lesson from today. How did it go in your quorum, groups and societies? What are your thoughts on it?I have no idea how it went in my quorum, because my daughter and I substituted for the usual Valiant 10 class teachers. (I found the lesson there even more meaningful than the one linked to above...as good as the lesson above happens to be.) But it encouraged me to check in on my parents who are out of town on a brief trip. My brother who is traveling with them said my father is doing so poorly that he may not make the return trip. Any prayers on his behalf would be appreciated.
JAHS Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 It was good for the High Priests because it gave some good suggestions about what we should be trying to do or keep doing in our "golden" years.We also tried to figure out why they are called the "golden" years. Anyone here know why?
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Garden Girl Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 It was good for the High Priests because it gave some good suggestions about what we should be trying to do or keep doing in our "golden" years.We also tried to figure out why they are called the "golden" years. Anyone here know why? I suppose this comes from a time when the world was a different place... the days of my youth for instance... when people were supposed to be able to retire and just enjoy life. Now it seems people must work longer and longer just to get by...I do have to say that I've been truly blessed in that I retired at age 50 after working 30 years full time, almost 25 years ago, and have not had to go back to work. One thing I do know is that when one is retired, there has to be a reason for getting up in the morning. It is important to have interests (as in lifelong learning), a circle of friends, exercise through activities such as golf, walking, swimming, etc., giving service to others, volunteering... this is what makes the years "golden." When you can be busy and active... GG 4
HappyJackWagon Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 The average age of our HP Group is 75 so it was very applicable. Most napped during the lesson. Actually, the teacher played the video of Pres. Monson reading Benson's talk during conference that year. Since I"d already read the talk I read something else. It was as boring as I thought it would be but the rest of church was really good.
JAHS Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) You have to have gold to get through them decently?That was one of the responses, but nobody in the group had any gold. It has to be something that one has just by being old.I think we decided that what makes an old person rich (as if he had gold) is all the wisdom and life experience he has that makes this time of life valuable to others if he is willing to share it. Edited August 17, 2015 by JAHS 1
Zakuska Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) That was one of the responses, but nobody in the group had any gold. It has to be something that one has just by being old.I think we decided that what makes an old person rich (as if he had gold) is all the wisdom and life experience he has that makes this time of life valuable to others if he is willing to share it. Perhaps... Gold Fillings in their teeth? Edited August 17, 2015 by Zakuska
David13 Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 I think we had a good class. A lot of discussion about the oldest people of the church and how various members had helped them, driving them to Sacrament meeting, etc. I'm one of these old people myself, so it's not going to be boring for me.dc 1
Popular Post Garden Girl Posted August 18, 2015 Popular Post Posted August 18, 2015 I am planning to just die around 70ish. Don't kid yourself, Nehor... if you are in reasonably good health when you get to be 70ish, you'll be surprised at how youthful you feel in your Spirit. It defies what the old bod sometimes is capable of... As you probably know from my posts, I'm 74, soon to be 75. I "feel" like I'm in my mid-40's - 50's. Thankfully I'm mentally and physically in pretty darn good shape, and still have a spring in my step. Today I woke to a beautiful sunny morning... with nothing required for me to do... in my morning prayers I gave thanks for my life, that I felt so good, that I'm so blessed in numerous ways... I am content as I think, What would I like to do today? Several thoughts go through my mind... I like to go down to this one beach and sit on a log and watch the waves and read... nearby is my favorite restaurant named Mo's that has the best clam chowder and cheese bread where I like to have lunch... or, I can drive down the beautiful coast to Newport past the lighthouse to the Bayfront and watch the fishing fleet come in... Actually I think I'll start a painting if I can keep Bob from jumping up and getting into the paints and then running through the house!! Ha! I cherish my life but it is, to me, sometimes like an hour glass with the sand running out... in some ways I'm ready, and others I just want to hold back the sand and not let it spill away...No, Nehor, when you reach 70ish, I think you'll be surprised... from the beach on a beautiful summer's morn... GG 5
The Nehor Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Don't kid yourself, Nehor... if you are in reasonably good health when you get to be 70ish, you'll be surprised at how youthful you feel in your Spirit. It defies what the old bod sometimes is capable of... As you probably know from my posts, I'm 74, soon to be 75. I "feel" like I'm in my mid-40's - 50's. Thankfully I'm mentally and physically in pretty darn good shape, and still have a spring in my step. Today I woke to a beautiful sunny morning... with nothing required for me to do... in my morning prayers I gave thanks for my life, that I felt so good, that I'm so blessed in numerous ways... I am content as I think, What would I like to do today? Several thoughts go through my mind... I like to go down to this one beach and sit on a log and watch the waves and read... nearby is my favorite restaurant named Mo's that has the best clam chowder and cheese bread where I like to have lunch... or, I can drive down the beautiful coast to Newport past the lighthouse to the Bayfront and watch the fishing fleet come in... Actually I think I'll start a painting if I can keep Bob from jumping up and getting into the paints and then running through the house!! Ha! I cherish my life but it is, to me, sometimes like an hour glass with the sand running out... in some ways I'm ready, and others I just want to hold back the sand and not let it spill away...No, Nehor, when you reach 70ish, I think you'll be surprised... from the beach on a beautiful summer's morn... GGMaybe I am just a pessimist or depressed or lonely but I already feel the beginnings of ennui in my mid-30s. Maybe it is just a rough patch but it has endured for quite a while.
Kenngo1969 Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 ... Actually I think I'll start a painting if I can keep Bob from jumping up and getting into the paints and then running through the house!! Ha! ...Garden Girl, with hands on hips: "Hey! Who left these Goldenrod cat paw prints all over the house! C'mon, 'fess up! Who was it?!" 1
thesometimesaint Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 It was good for the High Priests because it gave some good suggestions about what we should be trying to do or keep doing in our "golden" years.We also tried to figure out why they are called the "golden" years. Anyone here know why? Mostly because we have a ready excuse for falling asleep in Sacrament Meeting.
Kenngo1969 Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) Maybe I am just a pessimist or depressed or lonely but I already feel the beginnings of ennui in my mid-30s. Maybe it is just a rough patch but it has endured for quite a while.Meh! I've been going through a midlife crisis ... for the last fifteen years. I'm not going to do anything drastic, and I'd like to trust that God has some sort of a plan for me, even if I don't understand it. Hard to say. I'd like to think there was something more than mere coincidence to me deciding this particular complex was too expensive anyway after being told a one-bedroom wouldn't be available before June when my job started in April, then calling them back (on a whim? on a prompting? I hope it was the latter, but ... ) and being told a one-bedroom had opened up that day; pulling up roots/stakes; the apartment being almost ideally located 2-3 miles from that job; moving for that job; quitting it/losing it (I think I went out the door not long before being pushed); then finding another job (15 miles away, outside what I consider easy commuting distance (especially in inclement weather)) doing ... the kind of job I went to law school to try to avoid: answering phones. "Things could be worse, Ken: you could've not found that second job, yet you'd still be on the hook for the remainder of your lease with SSDI as your only income." I know, I know. One thing I will say, however: I've gotten more interviews and job offers during four months in Utah County than I got in the previous ten years in Salt Lake and Tooele Counties. Now, my goal is simply to make it to the end of my lease. After that, who knows? The only wild guess I can venture is that the Lord wants me here for some reason, but He knew there was no way I'd even consider taking a job answering phones in Provo without the extra motivation of needing to pay the bills. I hope I can be forgiven for wondering if Korihor wasn't right ... at least about some things: faring "according to the management of the creature"; and one "prospering according to his genius" and "conquering according to his strength." If that's true, I have two strikes against me: (1) I'm not very smart; and (2) I'm not very strong. Although I averted the catastrophe of being on the hook for a lease that my entire monthly income wouldn't cover if I didn't have a job, I still feel as though, even though I'm not ready to Meet My Maker, since this life isn't panning out all that well, maybe I'll have better luck in the next one. I'm not going to do anything to hasten that day, but I also very seriously doubt that I'll fight it all that hard when it finally does come. Edited August 18, 2015 by Kenngo1969
mnn727 Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) The average age of our HP Group is 75 so it was very applicable. Most napped during the lesson. Actually, the teacher played the video of Pres. Monson reading Benson's talk during conference that year. Since I"d already read the talk I read something else. It was as boring as I thought it would be but the rest of church was really good.I hate teachers that think video's take the place of a good well planned lesson.If I want to watch a video, I'll do it at home in my recliner (with no tie and jacket on) Edited August 18, 2015 by mnn727
Garden Girl Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) Maybe I am just a pessimist or depressed or lonely but I already feel the beginnings of ennui in my mid-30s. Maybe it is just a rough patch but it has endured for quite a while. Then, Nehor, let me be encouraging to you... Mid-30's ?... I encourage you to find and try something new, something in a field that you might not normally participate... for instance, take a class at the local comm college, again, something that is out of your comfort zone... challenge yourself. What can it hurt? See it through if a class or project, i.e., give it a chance...Volunteer...When I retired and moved up here to Gleneden Beach from San Fran, I noticed in the paper a call for volunteers to man the 19 "Whale Watching Spoken Here" stations that Oregon State Univ Marine Sci program sets up along the coast during March and December, to track the migration of gray whales between their habitat in the Behring Sea and the breeding/birthing grounds in Baja, CA... I went to a 2-day seminar at OSU Hatfield Marine Science Center to learn all about gray whales so that I could answer questions from visitors, and help them spot the whales... it was great... thousands of tourists/visitors stop at the stations every year, and we educate the public on the whales, their lives, environmental importance, etc. Completely different for me... but I loved it so much that I became a volunteer "feeder" at the Center, once a week assisting the acquarists with the maintenance and feeding of the numerous sea creatures/fish in the acquariums for public viewing...I encourage you to find something that excites you and get involved...A quiet activity is learning to draw... and don't say "I can't draw a straight line"... good, don't want you to... drawing is something that you can get lost in and wonder where the time went... being alone, something I do at times in the evenings... I recommend and encourage people to get the book "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" by Betty Edwards... you can buy it or check it out at the library... but if you want to amaze yourself, get a copy and follow her instructions... you will be astonished at how rapidly you progress in skill and enjoyment of creating... it's all about learning about right brain/left brain and developing the right brain, which becomes suppressed as we grow and utilize the left brain which becomes dominant as we go to school to learn facts, information, etc. Once we learn to tap into our right brain, it opens up a whole new world...Nehor, mid-30's is too young... waay too young... to give in to ennui... GG Edited August 18, 2015 by Garden Girl 2
The Nehor Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Then, Nehor, let me be encouraging to you... Mid-30's ?... I encourage you to find and try something new, something in a field that you might not normally participate... for instance, take a class at the local comm college, again, something that is out of your comfort zone... challenge yourself. What can it hurt? See it through if a class or project, i.e., give it a chance...Volunteer...When I retired and moved up here to Gleneden Beach from San Fran, I noticed in the paper a call for volunteers to man the 19 "Whale Watching Spoken Here" stations that Oregon State Univ Marine Sci program sets up along the coast during March and December, to track the migration of gray whales between their habitat in the Behring Sea and the breeding/birthing grounds in Baja, CA... I went to a 2-day seminar at OSU Hatfield Marine Science Center to learn all about gray whales so that I could answer questions from visitors, and help them spot the whales... it was great... thousands of tourists/visitors stop at the stations every year, and we educate the public on the whales, their lives, environmental importance, etc. Completely different for me... but I loved it so much that I became a volunteer "feeder" at the Center, once a week assisting the acquarists with the maintenance and feeding of the numerous sea creatures/fish in the acquariums for public viewing...I encourage you to find something that excites you and get involved...A quiet activity is learning to draw... and don't say "I can't draw a straight line"... good, don't want you to... drawing is something that you can get lost in and wonder where the time went... being alone, something I do at times in the evenings... I recommend and encourage people to get the book "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" by Betty Edwards... you can buy it or check it out at the library... but if you want to amaze yourself, get a copy and follow her instructions... you will be astonished at how rapidly you progress in skill and enjoyment of creating... it's all about learning about right brain/left brain and developing the right brain, which becomes suppressed as we grow and utilize the left brain which becomes dominant as we go to school to learn facts, information, etc. Once we learn to tap into our right brain, it opens up a whole new world...Nehor, mid-30's is too young... waay too young... to give in to ennui... GG Thanks for the advice. I was doing most of it and exercising like crazy but still lacked enthusiasm or drive for much of anything. Today though I got results from a blood test and it turns out it is probably due to a thyroid condition so the answer might be pills. As has been said: drugs are nature's hugs. 1
Garden Girl Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Thanks for the advice. I was doing most of it and exercising like crazy but still lacked enthusiasm or drive for much of anything. Today though I got results from a blood test and it turns out it is probably due to a thyroid condition so the answer might be pills. As has been said: drugs are nature's hugs. The thyroid... it can cause havoc... let's hope the pills will make a difference. But I still say... branch out into different areas and don't give up.I always chuckle with my postmaster because 99.9% of the packages I receive are from my mail order for 90-day supply of one or more of my 3 prescriptions... I always say... Oh good... Drugs... Gimme drugs!! GG
theplains Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 This teaching manual is significantly different from the one published by Bookcraftback in 1988. I would recommend that one. Regards,Jim
Calm Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 But you are not a believer so why recommend any at all?
Kenngo1969 Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) This teaching manual is significantly different from the one published by Bookcraftback in 1988. I would recommend that one. Regards,JimPerhaps you would be so kind as to point out to us where President Benson's teachings on the elderly as set forth in his Teachings of Presidents of the Church are significantly different from those contained in Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson. I'm sure you'll be more than eager to provide ample evidence to support your very generous recommendation. Thanks in advance. Edited August 19, 2015 by Kenngo1969 1
The Nehor Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 The thyroid... it can cause havoc... let's hope the pills will make a difference. But I still say... branch out into different areas and don't give up.I always chuckle with my postmaster because 99.9% of the packages I receive are from my mail order for 90-day supply of one or more of my 3 prescriptions... I always say... Oh good... Drugs... Gimme drugs!! GGSo far I just feel jittery and restless but I am told that can be a side effect on a return to normalcy. Have to wait and see.
jkwilliams Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 So far I just feel jittery and restless but I am told that can be a side effect on a return to normalcy. Have to wait and see. Thyroid issues are tricky, so be careful. My wife is on two different kinds of thyroid meds, and every so often I notice that she's a little off, and I tell her it's time to have it checked again.
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