mfbukowski Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 The IT guy at my job in Utah was a fanatic about the "end times" and emergency preparedness, though I don't recall him ever talking about tent cities (wouldn't surprise me, though). Every time he came by he would start in on the amazing number of natural disasters going on around the world and how I'd better be prepared. He once said he wasn't taking a family vacation because he needed to stay near "home base" when some unspecified "big event" happened. He had food and water and guns and generators and all that stuff, and he would quote scripture and Ezra Taft Benson. Finally, he said, "You are LDS, aren't you?" I said I was an apostate, and he stopped talking to me. It really is an excellent and useful word.The reality is that the end time will be in "this generation" for every individual. You die and that ends your personal "generation" right there.
jkwilliams Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 The reality is that the end time will be in "this generation" for every individual. You die and that ends your personal "generation" right there. That's how I've always looked at it. When you die, that's your Second Coming for all intents and purposes. Should you be worried that we think alike, or should I?
mfbukowski Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Wasn't there some GA who said he'd never slept in a tent? He'd spent a lot of nights in a tent, but never slept in one.When I was in college I took a summer and lived out of my backpack for 3 months in Europe, backpacking essentially from campground to campground. I wasn't too good at sleeping in a tent at first, but after 3 months, it gets easier! Camping in Europe is pretty cool because they have campsites in major parks even inside of cities or at least they are easily reachable by public transportation. There's one in Florence Italy (Firenze) that has about the best view of the city available anywhere- right from the campground. Absolutely spectacular! 2
mfbukowski Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 That's how I've always looked at it. When you die, that's your Second Coming for all intents and purposes. Should you be worried that we think alike, or should I?It's pretty dang scary, that's all I know. Either I am going apostate or you are going TBM. A very odd circumstance. 1
jkwilliams Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 When I was in college I took a summer and lived out of my backpack for 3 months in Europe, backpacking essentially from campground to campground. I wasn't too good at sleeping in a tent at first, but after 3 months, it gets easier! Camping in Europe is pretty cool because they have campsites in major parks even inside of cities or at least they are easily reachable by public transportation. There's one in Florence Italy (Firenze) that has about the best view of the city available anywhere- right from the campground. Absolutely spectacular! That's how I approached the first 6 months of my mission, when we didn't have running water. A guy from my home stake who had served a mission in Bolivia told me just to imagine I was camping for 2 years, and I'd be fine. 1
mfbukowski Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 That's how I approached the first 6 months of my mission, when we didn't have running water. A guy from my home stake who had served a mission in Bolivia told me just to imagine I was camping for 2 years, and I'd be fine.I have a friend who has a son who went on a Tongan mission and spent some time on a remote island. He was actually issued a spear to hunt with and as a protection against snakes and other critters. 1
HappyJackWagon Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 People in my neck of the woods are a bit crazed about preparation. Not only do they have their food storage, tents, and equipment but arsenals that would make any militia nervous. Even worse, they sense a general "preparation mentality" within the community so they are using this hard core prep as a missionary opportunity to help get all their neighbors prepared. When taken to this kind of extreme I'm not a fan of this comingling of proselyting and preparation.
jkwilliams Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 I have a friend who has a son who went on a Tongan mission and spent some time on a remote island. He was actually issued a spear to hunt with and as a protection against snakes and other critters. In my last area, we always got local members to do the baptizing because there were electric eels, stingrays, and poisonous snakes in the lakes and rivers. Once our landlady asked me to kill a couple of spiders, and then handed me a two-by-four. A spear might have come in handy.
Scott Lloyd Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 People in my neck of the woods are a bit crazed about preparation. Not only do they have their food storage, tents, and equipment but arsenals that would make any militia nervous. Even worse, they sense a general "preparation mentality" within the community so they are using this hard core prep as a missionary opportunity to help get all their neighbors prepared. When taken to this kind of extreme I'm not a fan of this comingling of proselyting and preparation.Extremism is a poor missionary tool. 2
jkwilliams Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Extremism is a poor missionary tool. Ah, but they don't think they're being extreme. 1
Scott Lloyd Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) Ah, but they don't think they're being extreme.Well you'd think they'd get a clue from the fact that the stuff they talk about is never mentioned in official Church meetings, classes, curriculum materials, magazines, general conference, etc. They've got to know from this that they are outside the mainstream.Is it a matter of one of the characteristics Cassandra mentioned in her FairMormon talk, that they think they are the ones in the right and the rest of the Church is in apostasy? Edited August 19, 2015 by Scott Lloyd 1
jkwilliams Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Well you'd think they'd get a clue from the fact that the stuff they talk about is never mentioned in official Church meetings, classes, curriculum materials, magazines, general conference, etc. They've got to know from this that they are outside the mainstream. Is it one of the characteristics Cassandra mentioned in her FairMormon talk, that everybody in the Church but them are in apostasy? They think they are just more spiritually in tune and diligent than the rest of the membership. In my experience, such people believe that the brethren secretly agree with them but can only talk about such things in carefully coded phrases, so they look through conference talks and the scriptures for hints that they are on the Lord's side. 3
mfbukowski Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 I much prefer the term "Glamping"I stayed in a motel in Provo right across from the stadium when I went to the recent Fair conference, and honestly I was thinking I would prefer a tent. It was super. 2
Calm Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Next time if I ever get my rooms put back together, come stay with me. 2
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 I noticed that she charges $25 a person for these calls. It would be interesting to know how many people are in one session.We have friends (otherwise very typical members) who are enamoured with her. She is predicting an earthquake that will destroy the wasatch front and bring devastating floods from underground sources. And meteors are also supposed to be hitting the earth, as well as a huge banking collapse.All of this is set to happen in September/October of this year so it should be an exciting autumnI will be disappointed if this doesn't all happen.
Scott Lloyd Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) They think they are just more spiritually in tune and diligent than the rest of the membership. In my experience, such people believe that the brethren secretly agree with them but can only talk about such things in carefully coded phrases, so they look through conference talks and the scriptures for hints that they are on the Lord's side. Well, one thing I have observed about the typical general conference talk is that it is anything but cryptic. Maybe that's just me being spiritually not in tune. Edited to add. I reported Cassandra's talk in the Church News. I wonder how many of these folks are Church News readers. Will they recognize themselves in her remarks? Of course, In my report, I never mentioned tent cities -- but Cassandra did, within the full text of her talk. Edited August 19, 2015 by Scott Lloyd
jkwilliams Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 Well one thing I have observed about the typical general conference talk is that it is anything but cryptic. Or maybe it's just me being spiritually not in tune. Every human filters what they see and hear and read according to their own biases and experiences. These folks are just a little more extreme than most.
ttribe Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 They think they are just more spiritually in tune and diligent than the rest of the membership. In my experience, such people believe that the brethren secretly agree with them but can only talk about such things in carefully coded phrases, so they look through conference talks and the scriptures for hints that they are on the Lord's side. So, it's like a Mormon-Prepper's version of the DaVinci Code? That's hilarious...and strange, at the same time.
jkwilliams Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 So, it's like a Mormon-Prepper's version of the DaVinci Code? That's hilarious...and strange, at the same time. At least that's been my experience with such folks. The IT guy I knew in Utah would ask me breathlessly about some tidbit he'd picked up from conference. It was almost always something innocuous, but to him it was validation of his beliefs. Weird stuff.
Scott Lloyd Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 Honestly, I've never heard the term "Mormon prepper" until now. Unfortunately, this will not be humorous unless you have a clear memory of the 1970s, as I do, but the term immediately brought to mind that goofy Dr. Pepper advertising jingle. The adaptation is too easy: I'm a prepper, he's a prepper, she's a prepper, we're a prepper,Wouldn't you like to be a prepper too? Be a prepper, be a Mormon prepper.Be a prepper, be a Mormon prepper.(and fade) 4
Rain Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 I heard the term years ago, but I was provident living specialist and the 2 areas can often run together on the internet. It's one of the reasons I really tried to help my ward focus on all areas of providentliving.org rather than just preparing for disaster. 1
ttribe Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 Honestly, I've never heard the term "Mormon prepper" until now. Unfortunately, this will not be humorous unless you have a clear memory of the 1970s, as I do, but the term immediately brought to mind that goofy Dr. Pepper advertising jingle. The adaptation is too easy: I'm a prepper, he's a prepper, she's a prepper, we're a prepper,Wouldn't you like to be a prepper too? Be a prepper, be a Mormon prepper.Be a prepper, be a Mormon prepper.(and fade) I love Dr. Pepper so, despite the fact that I was born in 1971, I do remember those commercials.
jkwilliams Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 I love Dr. Pepper so, despite the fact that I was born in 1971, I do remember those commercials. My downfall at my current job is that they have a large bank of soda fountains at no charge. I seem to alternate between Coke Zero, Diet Coke, and Diet Dr. Pepper. But I have to be careful not to overdo it.
Scott Lloyd Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) I love Dr. Pepper so, despite the fact that I was born in 1971, I do remember those commercials.OK, just for fun, here's a challenge: Come up with a "Mormon Prepper" parody for the full "Drink Dr. Pepper" jingle. We'll vote on which one is the best. For guidance, here are the words to the Dr. Pepper song: I drink Dr. Pepper, and I'm proud.I'm part of an original crowd.And if you look around these days,There seems to be a Dr. Pepper craze. I'm a Pepper, he's a Pepper, she's a Pepper, we're a Pepper,Wouldn't you like to be a Pepper too?Be a Pepper, drink Dr. Pepper.Be a Pepper, drink Dr. Pepper. Edited August 19, 2015 by Scott Lloyd
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