ksfisher Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 And, while anytime I hear that someone has become disaffected from or has left the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I'm not going to trot out the "Oh, they were just looking for an excuse to sin" bit, Mr. Dutcher doesn't do any favors for the disaffected in extolling his (newly-acquired) taste for things formerly forbidden. In the first part of the quote he used the word boat so many times that I thought he just decided he wanted to do a lot of boating on Sundays instead of attend church.
Russell C McGregor Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 No Russell no defamation. Just dealing in facts, I suppose brazenly falsifying them might be considered dealing in them. The wicked take the truth to be hard. Yes, I've noticed that about you.
Avatar4321 Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Are you willing to give it a chance that the LDS gospel is not what it claims?I did that years ago. That's why I investigated it.But when the Lord said it was true, I believed Him. Why shouldn't I? Why would I ever go back? 1
Kenngo1969 Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) I don't have a problem with him enjoying a good beer. Why not? It's pretty clear it wasn't the driving motivation for him to leave the church. After my "shelf" came crashing down, nothing changed for me at all for at least 6-8 months. Then one day, a coworker brought me a mocha and said, "You can have coffee, now, can't you?" I hadn't even thought of it. So, did I leave so I could enjoy coffee? No, but I do enjoy it on occasion. Fair enough. It's just that sometimes (at least to me; your mileage probably varies, and that's OK ) it seems as though people are all too eager to extol the pleasures of things formerly forbidden, as if to tell the still devout, "You don't know what you're missing!" While the wine, beer, spirits, coffee, et cetera might not be the only reasons, or might not be the main reasons, why attendees at the party in the Great and Spacious Building come, I can understand how the still-devout might arrive at that misunderstanding. All the same, I wish you well. P.S.: And while we're on the subject, the difference between you and Mr. Dutcher is that while you both might enjoy the same things now that your relationship with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has changed, you're not crowing about it every time you get the chance like a walking, talking, living, breathing advertisement for formerly-forbidden activities and substances. Edited July 21, 2015 by Kenngo1969
Avatar4321 Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 As much as I enjoy this thread maybe we are getting too contentious
jkwilliams Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 I did that years ago. That's why I investigated it.But when the Lord said it was true, I believed Him. Why shouldn't I? Why would I ever go back? No argument from me. We're all doing the best we can with what we know. 1
smac97 Posted July 21, 2015 Author Posted July 21, 2015 Are you willing to give it a chance that the LDS gospel is not what it claims? Certainly. Have done. Will do. Thanks, -Smac
Skylla Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Keep old, personal arguments out of this thread and off the board. Skylla
Bobbieaware Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 JK- I'm sorry you're not attracted or prepared to live at a higher level of truth. Maybe some day Storm Rider- I thought your post was extremely thoughtful and generous until that line.Heaven forbid that someone should dare to say what they really think. 1
Skylla Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Teancum is out of the thread. Everyone knock off the personal commentaries. Skylla
ttribe Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Heaven forbid that someone should dare to say what they really think. Heaven forbid someone should have a personal filter that keeps them from saying everything that pops into their head.
Bobbieaware Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Heaven forbid someone should have a personal filter that keeps them from saying everything that pops into their head.Storm Rider's comment was an innocuous statement of fact made from an LDS point of view. Heaven forbid that a Latter-day Saint should speak of basic LDS gospel principles on a discussion board devoted to the LDS faith. 3
Robert F. Smith Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 ...................................................................... If only President Gordon B. Hinckley (and I think President Brigham Young, and maybe others before President Hinckley) had said something like, "Bring all of the good that you have, and let us see if we can add to it." .............................................................................I thought that is what the LDS Church stands for and has been saying from the outset. Of course, I recognize full well that not all members of this Church think that way, and maybe even most of them might not recognize the sentiment, but it is precisely that principle which has made the Mormon faith so successful. Am I hallucinating, Kenngo?
Kenngo1969 Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 I thought that is what the LDS Church stands for and has been saying from the outset. Of course, I recognize full well that not all members of this Church think that way, and maybe even most of them might not recognize the sentiment, but it is precisely that principle which has made the Mormon faith so successful. Am I hallucinating, Kenngo?No, I don't think you are. Perhaps I can elaborate later, when I'm not on a portable device.
ttribe Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 Storm Rider's comment was an innocuous statement of fact made from an LDS point of view. Heaven forbid that a Latter-day Saint should speak of basic LDS gospel principles on a discussion board devoted to the LDS faith.That's all well and good, but that's a small subset of what you were advocating with your "speak his mind" comment.
Bobbieaware Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) That's all well and good, but that's a small subset of what you were advocating with your "speak his mind" comment.I was speaking specifically of Storm Rider's innocent statement based on LDS doctrine. My post was not meant to be taken as a blanket assertion that a person should say whatever he wants to say anytime he wants to say it. Fact is that I guard what I say on this board from the start to the finish of all my posts because I'm not someone who enjoys being attacked. If I wasn't in the conscious habit of carefully self-editing what I write, I would have been banned from this board almost from the very start. Edited July 22, 2015 by Bobbieaware 3
Popular Post Scott Lloyd Posted July 22, 2015 Popular Post Posted July 22, 2015 It wouldn't bother me in the least to have someone assert that the richest concentration of truth is found in his own faith tradition. In fact, if he didn't think that, I would wonder why he bothers being an adherent to it. This kneejerk condemnation of someone who declares he has found truth in his faith strikes me as wrongheaded and overbearing. 9
Kenngo1969 Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 Largely, faith, love, and truth are each where one finds them. So say I, anyway. 2
Storm Rider Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 I wasn't offended. My somewhat facetious reply was that I'm OK with him choosing a lesser form of truth and staying in the church. I was not insinuating one way or another on truth. We each respond to those truths we hold most dear. The point is about being at peace with God. Knowing truth and living truth is a different topic. 2
Jeanne Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 Heaven forbid that someone should dare to say what they really think.I smile at this because it always gets me in trouble..
Bobbieaware Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) I smile at this because it always gets me in trouble.. Glad I could make you smile, Jeanne. But wouldn't this board be something" if there were no moderators to worry about and we participants could say whatever it is we want to say? (Is there an emoticon for a nuclear explosion?) Edited July 22, 2015 by Bobbieaware
smac97 Posted July 22, 2015 Author Posted July 22, 2015 Glad I could make you smile, Jeanne. But wouldn't this board be something" if there were no moderators to worry about and we participants could say whatever it is we want to say? (Is there an emoticon for a nuclear explosion?) Yes, it would be "something," but I don't think it would be "something good." We've all seen how repellant unmoderated boards can be. Thanks, -Smac 1
Bobbieaware Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) Yes, it would be "something," but I don't think it would be "something good." We've all seen how repellant unmoderated boards can be.Thanks,-SmacI never thought of you as being the wussie type. Guess I was wrong. Edited July 22, 2015 by Bobbieaware
Russell C McGregor Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 I never thought of you as being the wussie type. Guess I was wrong. No, Smac97 is right. It's one thing to be able to stand the heat (and stench) of a mostly unmoderated board, such as The Sty; it's quite another to regard such a place as a benign environment. It isn't.
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