Why Aren't Mormons Christian?

[Duncan]

I think Smith was thinking of the nullification crisis:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullification_Crisis

 

 

in the section heading looks like it was on his mind so maybe he sought the Lord about all this stuff brewing, I honestly know very little about the Civil War so I have no idea about any of it, it's the grey guys against the Blue guys, Robert E. Lee, Stonewall something or other, Ulysses S. Grant, North Vs. South and that's all I really know oh and Gettysburg and Antietam or something?!

 

 

"Section 87

Revelation and prophecy on war, given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at or near Kirtland, Ohio, December 25, 1832. At this time disputes in the United States over slavery and South Carolina’s nullification of federal tariffs were prevalent. Joseph Smith’s history states that “appearances of troubles among the nations” were becoming “more visible” to the Prophet “than they had previously been since the Church began her journey out of the wilderness."

Edited January 5, 2015 by Duncan

[Teancum]

Yes, Moses wrote the Torah. We know that there was someone named Moses. Jesus spoke of him by name.

Ask one of those theologically liberal scholars what he thinks of the Book of Mormon.

 

 

Moses did not write Deuteronomy.   Do some home work.

 

And we don't know if Jesus said anything about Moses. We do know someone who wrote a book that is now in the NT claimed he said something about Moses.  No proof of that outside the NT.

 

I don't care what some "theological liberal" thinks of the BoM.  I think it is a suspect as I do the Bible.  Perhaps more so since at least there  is some historical and geographical accuracy in the Bible.  

Edited January 5, 2015 by Teancum

[sunstoned]

I don't think it's any of those reasons, personally.  

 

They know we believe in Jesus, but we blaspheme by not believing in the Trinity.

 

They know we believe in the Bible but we blaspheme it by adding unto it with the Book of Mormon.

 

They know we believe in God but we blaspheme him by claiming we can become like him.

These are excellent points.  In my own discussions with folks from other faiths all of the above issues have come up. I would also add continuing revelation and our perceived fixation on works are also issues that set us apart.

[Calm]

All things are possible with the LORD; however, nothing is possible without Him.

So it is only with God that people can cheat, lie and steal? Since without God there is nothing, all things are because of God, even evil things.

Are you sure this is what you meant? Perhaps you want to phrase that differently.

[Anakin7]

       JS what a unchristlike statement to make, how sad that you allow your adamic nature to posts such things. These Biff Tannon Bully statements are unbecoming of one from the human race and a follower of the "Biblical Jesus Christ". And by the way your money digger statement is not well researched as with your convicted fraud polemic. How do you stay on this board malking such dialectics ?. Time will tell. May you access and accept True Grace and become a real Disciple of Christ Jesus.

Response to this polemic and other Busybody/Pratter thoughts that enter your heart/mind - http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith

 

In His Debt/Grace

       Anakin7

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[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

Huh? This does not say that earthly kinds were considerd gods. And there is considerable debate that this was a a reform to appear more monothesitic. So in other words the original language was changed to appear to be something else. This does not even back up monotheism though. Oh kids, I am your dad am one father.  This really says nothing.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

Yes, Deut. 6:4 does mention substance.

No it doesn't. That is total wishfull thinking. Talk about adding to the word.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

No, Joseph Smith made stuff up. I do not.

Um substance is not mentioned in Deut 6:4 you made stuff up right there. JS has way more going for him than you.

Edited January 5, 2015 by Mola Ram Suda Ram

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

I would sooner believe that Moses wrote every jot and tidle of the Torah than believe that an 19th century money digger and convicted fraud was given gold plates by an angel that he translated into the Book of Mormon.

Convicted. You doth protest too much. JS was never once convicted. We are prepared to school you in this too.

[thesometimesaint]

God never promised to make human beings god. Satan did, however.

Genesis 3:4-5 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

 

God confirms it in the Bible.

Genesis 3:22

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

[thesometimesaint]

delete  
 

Edited January 5, 2015 by thesometimesaint

[Canadaigua]

 

{Your quote from your post below}

 

In case you will not follow the link:

Question: Did Gordon B. Hinckley say that Latter-day Saints do not worship the biblical Jesus?

It is clear that Latter-day Saints believe in the biblical Christ—the Christ that is described in the New Testament

President Gordon B. Hinckley, responding to a question regarding whether Latter-day Saints believe in the “traditional Christ,” stated:

No I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the dispensation of the fullness of times. [1]

President Hinckley is referring to the concept of Christ that has developed in the centuries since the Nicene Creed was formed

President Hinckley is referring to the concept of Christ that has developed in the centuries since the Nicene Creed was formed—He is saying that we do not believe in non-Biblical creeds. This statement is quite correct: Latter-day Saints do not have some of the same beliefs about Christ that other Christian churches do. He is not saying that we do not believe in the Biblical Christ. In fact, the reason that Latter-day Saints do not accept these creeds is because they are non-Biblical. President Hinckley continued (with words usually omitted by critics):

Am I Christian? Of course I am. I believe in Christ. I talk of Christ. I pray through Christ. I'm trying to follow Him and live His gospel in my life.

The quote that you provided simply affirms that the LDS Jesus is different from the Christian Jesus.  Were you not aware of this?

Edited January 5, 2015 by Canadaigua

[bluebell]

The quote that you provided simply affirms that the LDS Jesus is different from the Christian Jesus.  Were you not aware of this?

 

He's not different from the Christian Jesus, He's just different from your Jesus.

 

Your beliefs aren't the standard for what define's a Christian though, regardless of how much you believe they are.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

The quote that you provided simply affirms that the LDS Jesus is different from the Christian Jesus.  Were you not aware of this?

Actually it does not such thing.  What it does say is that we believe in the biblical Jesus. It is those Evangelicals like you, that have muddied the water and presented a non biblical Jesus. Were you not aware of this? There is no such thing a "Christian" Jesus. All sects believe different things about him.

Edited January 5, 2015 by Mola Ram Suda Ram

[Canadaigua]

Depends on the context of the conversation. They are one with each other so it doesn't really matter much.

 

Sure it matters because according to Mormonism they are 3 completely separate and distinct gods.  When you are comparing the LDS gods with the Christian God and you say that they are the same then you need to tell me which of the many gods that you are referring to.

[Canadaigua]

 

God confirms it in the Bible.

Genesis 3:22

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

 

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

 

According to Mormonism who are "us" in these verses?

[bluebell]

Sure it matters because according to Mormonism they are 3 completely separate and distinct gods.  When you are comparing the LDS gods with the Christian God and you say that they are the same then you need to tell me which of the many gods that you are referring to.

 

Yes, as has well been established, LDS are not trinitarians.  The LDS God is not the same as the Trinitarian God, there is no doubt about that.  No one on this thread is trying to argue that we are.

 

One can reject trinitarianism and still be a Christian.  

[bluebell]

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

 

According to Mormonism who are "us" in these verses?

 

According to Mormonism the 'us' is God the Father and Jesus Christ.

[Canadaigua]

According to Mormonism the 'us' is God the Father and Jesus Christ.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

 

According to Mormonism Jesus is our spirit brother and we were all begotten and born to Heavenly Parents--Jesus did not create our spiritual body.  In addition Jesus did not have a physical body.  So can you expand on this a little bit more for me?

[Guest]

God confirms it in the Bible.

Genesis 3:22

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

I pointed this out and the incorrect assumption that Satan lied when he said that "Ye shall be as the gods" and God conformation that "Behold the man has become as one of us, knowing good and evil". But it seems Jim, does not what to admit being wrong.

[ERayR]

The quote that you provided simply affirms that the LDS Jesus is different from the Christian Jesus.  Were you not aware of this?

 

Sw can be clear wy don't you just refer to the Jesus you worship as "my Jesus".  Let me fix your post to illustrate:  The quote that you provided simply affirms that the LDS Jesus is different from the Christian my Jesus.  Were you not aware of this?

Now that seems much more accurate to me.

[ERayR]

Sure it matters because according to Mormonism they are 3 completely separate and distinct gods.  When you are comparing the LDS gods with the Christian God and you say that they are the same then you need to tell me which of the many gods that you are referring to.

 

So I am a LDS and it works for me.  You are not a LDS and it doesn't work for you so get over it and move on.

[ERayR]

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

 

According to Mormonism who are "us" in these verses?

 

God and Jesus Christ.  Now that wasn't hard was it.  Oh in case you didn't know US is plural.  Plural means more than one.

[ERayR]

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

 

According to Mormonism Jesus is our spirit brother and we were all begotten and born to Heavenly Parents--Jesus did not create our spiritual body.  In addition Jesus did not have a physical body.  So can you expand on this a little bit more for me?

 

Thats pretty accurate and it seems simple and straight forward to me so what don't you understand.

[bluebell]

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

 

According to Mormonism Jesus is our spirit brother and we were all begotten and born to Heavenly Parents--Jesus did not create our spiritual body.  In addition Jesus did not have a physical body.  So can you expand on this a little bit more for me?

 

LDS don't believe this verse pertains to the spiritual creation of man, but rather the physical creation-God the Father and Jesus Christ made our bodies in Their image and after Their likeness.  In other words, our bodies look like They look.