Julie Rowe

[Calm]

Where is the fireside being held? In a church?

[Calm]

She may not be making a profit off of her work.  But the guy she is promoting if he is doing decently is raking in some money and he is doing so by presenting his methods as having been given to him by God, his sharing them with others as a mission from God to make such available to everyone everywhere…and to do so it will only cost a person between $700-1300 to allow him to give them this blessing of health and financial freedom (the higher amount means more teachings on how to bless and heal people right?  Not exactly, according to the promo info it looks more emphaisis is on how to build clientele and bring in money.
 
Contrast how he goes on about being given…if not visions, then instructions and how the patterns reminds you of someone I am sure and how his work is sacred….then read below the info on the sales page:
 

When Jean and I got married, we made an agreement that we would never make any momentous or important decision without praying about it to see if it was right. This was definitely one of those momentous decisions. So, that night found me on my knees. I essentially said, “Father in heaven, if it makes any difference to you, please help me to know what direction to go. I will go either way.”
I was awakened in the middle of the night with my mind full of thoughts about healing, and how wonderful it is to be able to serve other people that way. I remember thinking, “Well yes, that’s true, but this other direction is good, too….”
I had this experience 3 times that night. I woke up 3 times, and each time my mind was full of these “warm fuzzy feelings” about going into the healing arts. Nevertheless, I wasn’t convinced. (Do I seem a bit thick headed to you?)

The Single Most Pivotal Moment in My Life…
The next night found me on my knees once again, asking God for guidance. And this was a night that I will never forget if I live to be 1 million years old. This night, like the night before, I was awakened 3 times. And each time I was awakened, my mind was filled with the same thoughts as the night before. But somehow these feelings became progressively stronger and more powerful each time I was awakened.
The 3rd time that I woke up that night my mind was overflowing with thoughts of service to mankind and to humanity; it’s impossible for me to describe what this experience was like. The feelings were absolutely overwhelming, and as my head was filled with thoughts of healing and helping the world, a voice spoke to me.
That voice was crystal clear, and it was as distinct and audible as anything I’ve ever heard. It said, “This is a sacred calling.”
 

The Body is a Sacred Temple
I’ve reflected on this experience many times since then. And I believe that, because the human body is actually a sacred “temple” for our spirit to inhabit, that any time we are working to help that body function better, we are doing a sacred thing. If we are sewing up an injury, if we are helping someone who is disabled, if we are healing someone who is in need of healing, we are doing a sacred thing.

 
 

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Where is that sacred mission now?

[littlemisssunshine]

This topic also confuses me.

I think her message it's a possibility and that she has helped lots of people to prepare, and follow the phophets advice... Which it is amazing!

But, at the same time, I decided not to read her books.

My take?

I decided to get my food storage as adviced for many years by our phophets! My 72 hrs bags, as adviced by the church and FEMA. A tent and hiking boots as suggested by pres. Hinckley.

The time it's now, or tomorrow, perhaps in a 100 years, but we do not know... But as Christians we know it's coming, we like it or not - fact. Those prepared shall not fear.

[Calm]

My problem is that her details do create fear at times because it goes way past the things people can control for (invasion by other countries, biological warfare, getting hit by an asteroid or something…I may be mixing her up with Spencer, my apologies if so) and in saying that the run of the mill LDS isn't paying attention to this counsel like 'we' are instead it creates a sense of elites who will be saved and chosen for honour over and above others (Spencer really gets into that by claiming to have the office next to Christ in the temple).

 

That and her coupling up with an alternative treatment that is promoting becoming a practioner for almost $2000 not to help others in need, but to expand one's clientele…a method she is claiming is one of God's blessings to mankind in order to survive in this day and age….and she is helping to sell this gift that was revealed to her in a vision?

 

Rubs me the wrong way big time.  I can barely see making books and using the money to pay for spreading the word…but is that missionary work more for spreading God's word or her own brand, expanding her market….which means more books and more people buy into alternative treatment as direct from God.

 

I would be handing the teaching away for what people wanted to donate with the rule that no one could sell their gift.  Only those truly interested in helping others will care to invest in that….obviously not the person that God told about it though.

 

Listen to the prophets and their counsel gives much, much preparation especially if we have been living our lives that way since we first heard they teach it (as children), we will have become educated, thrifty, well stocked, studied nutrutition and good eating in thrifty ways and not just rely on someone dumping in our lap a complete food storage for 3 years or more product if we shell out tons of money and then never use….is throwing away good food being obedient?  Don't think so.  Food storage is best and cheapest in the long run by not having stacks of food go bad from not eating if we teach ourselves how to eat healthily and then buy food wisely and ahead of time to promote that health.  That way when trouble comes, we will have our comfort food…in all the things that change around us, our food will be the same for the most part…that is the ultimate comfort food.

 

drug hit, letters are dancing, sorry if tht didn't make sense like I thought.

Edited January 21, 2015 by calmoriah

[Calm]

PS:  best book I ever found on Food Storage that you might be able to get a used copy of "Food storage for the clueless", it was very practical in its approach, your kids would not go eww, I'd rather die of starvation than eat that…no need to get them used to stuff right when they are in trouble.  And it costs much much less than the usual packing stuff if done right.  And you can use it all the time so no loss of money there either.

 

We are doing a little renovation in my home lately, I am going to figure out how to do this right…storing it was always the problem for me and then they get lost and we buy too much of one and too little of the other.

[Calm]

 A tent and hiking boots as suggested by pres. Hinckley.

 

don't forget to work those hiking boots in so you don't end up with blisters and such.  And toss in a sleeping bag or tarp and pad at least.  Could be fun, just like the old hiking trips my dad would take us on.

[littlemisssunshine]

^^ You made perfect sense, no worries

You made a great point about making a profit from the supposedly healing gift, Heavenly Father shared with her. I don't want to say she is frivolously spending the money, I would like to think she is using the money in holy ways we know nothing about (like extra food, warm clothes, -25 sleeping bags for people that make it to the camps unprepared or something like that... I suppose that after seeing all the destruction she would want to help...)

Like I said, this topic confuses me. I do not know. Nothing has been revealed to me. My prayers about it haven't been answered yet. I do not want to make a judgement since we should not. I feel if that if I label her either way, and I am wrong, it's a massively sin...

[Calm]

 I feel if that if I label her either way, and I am wrong, it's a massively sin...

This is one thing that troubles me greatly about people like her… because of the way she presents herself as having a mission from the Lord, accepting or rejecting her turns into something equivalent to accepting or rejecting Christ for many.  As soon as discussions get put into that type of a framework a huge red flag goes up for me.

 

You can only make a decision based on the information you have been given.  If you are sincere, even if you make an error, I don't see it as a massive sin.

 

Just remain open to what the Prophets are teaching in the here and now and don't turn away from their counsel, they will give enough warning for the Saints if the Saints are paying attention.  

 

If by some bizarre chance, people like Sister Rowe and "Spencer" are accurate in their claims, in both cases they say church leaders are making announcements and such and it is only those Saints that trivialize them or don't pay any attention that are unwarned.  So focus on our authorized and called by God leaders and either way you will be safe in God's hands.

 

I can't remember if Greg Smith's review of Pontius' book is linked to in this thread, many of the same issues exist for Sister Rowe's book as do for that one.  You should read it and it might help you see your way.

 

http://www.fairmormon.org/perspectives/publications/spencers-visions-of-glory

Edited January 21, 2015 by calmoriah

[katherine the great]

As soon as I read what she wrote about the dinosaurs and the mark of Cain, I decided she was full of baloney.

                                       

[Tacenda]

This is one thing that troubles me greatly about people like her… because of the way she presents herself as having a mission from the Lord, accepting or rejecting her turns into something equivalent to accepting or rejecting Christ for many. As soon as discussions get put into that type of a framework a huge red flag goes up for me.

You can only make a decision based on the information you have been given. If you are sincere, even if you make an error, I don't see it as a massive sin.

Just remain open to what the Prophets are teaching in the here and now and don't turn away from their counsel, they will give enough warning for the Saints if the Saints are paying attention.

If by some bizarre chance, people like Sister Rowe and "Spencer" are accurate in their claims, in both cases they say church leaders are making announcements and such and it is only those Saints that trivialize them or don't pay any attention that are unwarned. So focus on our authorized and called by God leaders and either way you will be safe in God's hands.

I can't remember if Greg Smith's review of Pontius' book is linked to in this thread, many of the same issues exist for Sister Rowe's book as do for that one. You should read it and it might help you see your way.

http://www.fairmormon.org/perspectives/publications/spencers-visions-of-glory

Your comment here made me think about chain letters and why I hate them so.

[emeliza]

What did she write about dinosaurs and the mark of cain?

[Garden Girl]

PS:  best book I ever found on Food Storage that you might be able to get a used copy of "Food storage for the clueless", it was very practical in its approach, your kids would not go eww, I'd rather die of starvation than eat that…no need to get them used to stuff right when they are in trouble.  And it costs much much less than the usual packing stuff if done right.  And you can use it all the time so no loss of money there either.

 

We are doing a little renovation in my home lately, I am going to figure out how to do this right…storing it was always the problem for me and then they get lost and we buy too much of one and too little of the other.

 

One of the secrets to successful planning and food storage is rotating the food.... not just buying stuff and letting it sit there for years until it is rotten...

I'm appalled that people (members) fall for her programs, which aren't cheap by any means... it's the "increasing clients" to make more money that gets me...

 

GG

[Calm]

"-- At the 39:00 point, she discusses Adam & Eve. She said that even after they were ejected from the Garden of Eden, Adam held the High Priesthood and obeyed the higher law. She confirmed that Adam & Eve had many children before Cain & Abel, and they were initially righteous. Julie discussed Cain, and differentiated between the Mark of Cain and the Curse of Cain. She said the Curse of Cain was that he had his Priesthood power removed, but that Cain could have repented at any time had he chosen to do so. Instead, Cain continued to sin, and she observed him turning darker in pigmentation, which has been described by earlier LDS authorities as the Mark of Cain. This mark was intended to discourage Adam's other progeny from procreating with Cain's descendants and losing their Priesthood."

http://mormonism-unveiled.blogspot.com/2014/06/julie-rowe-discusses-her-nde-book.html

This dinosaur info was no big deal....though her creation of the earth ideas are incorrect IMO.

She comes across as believing in a lot of older folklore.

This made me roll my eyes:

"-- At the 2:10:00 point, Julie said that the 2008 U.S. Presidential election was stolen. Later, in this same vein (around 2:44:00), she said that the next U.S. President won't be better than the current occupant. She gave no hint as to the gender, race, or party affiliation of the next President. "

From another website that isn't specific enough to link to it is claimed she gave evolutionists a "cold toss of water in the face" with what she said about where the dinosaur bones came from.

Edited February 9, 2015 by calmoriah

[thesometimesaint]

She can believe anything she wants, but keep her well away fom the science classroom.

[Avatar4321]

If she had a real vision it is,private and she should keep it her's and her's alone.

I just read that quote from Joseph.

[Avatar4321]

I don't know much of anything about Julie Rowe other then what you have said and a quick 3 minute google search I just did- and I knew nothing 3 minutes ago.

That being said I would like to ask a couple questions in response to something you said about talking to your leaders first before sharing a vision/dream/visitation etc...Did Lehi ask permission before preaching? Abinadi? Alma? John the Baptist?

If they had what do you believe the counsel would've been?** Again, I am not saying Sis. Rowe has been called to do anything. **

of course they didn't ask permission. They were commanded to preach repentance.

that doesn't mean they revealed everything the Lord showed them in all cases

[Guest]

Not necessarily. There may be value in sharing it, for others who might benefit (assuming it's true), or for her to even appreciate it better by talking about it. If people never shared their visions, the scriptures would have a lot of missing sections.

The Church and The Lord has a system for revelation for the entire Church and that is through his Prophet. I have a friend who is sure that tent cities will come some because of a member has put a book together by Priphets from the past out of context and he has put his trust in him instesd of our Prophet today. He is obsessed with the topic and warns me all the time to get ready. He does not have a years supply, he has about five years supply, only deals with cash, so the Gov't can't track him. All he listens too is Internet radio and people who talk about survival and the end of mankind. He even told me that he has hooked up with other people who want to build a compand where they could blow up the road and found a way to hide from the Gov't buy build underground. I love him, but he has gone of the deep end by reading Roger K (something) books.

[Calm]

Young is the guy's last name.

[bluebell]

Young is the guy's last name.

 

I read one of his books on my mission and have never had such a dark feeling.  It was horrible.  Whenever i see his stuff now i steer clear!

[Calm]

He was really into Y2K, so I don't consider him all that great at teasing out what prophecies actually mean.  As far as I can tell he makes his living off of others' obsessions with end times.

[juliann]

"-- At the 39:00 point, she discusses Adam & Eve. She said that even after they were ejected from the Garden of Eden, Adam held the High Priesthood and obeyed the higher law. She confirmed that Adam & Eve had many children before Cain & Abel, and they were initially righteous. Julie discussed Cain, and differentiated between the Mark of Cain and the Curse of Cain. She said the Curse of Cain was that he had his Priesthood power removed, but that Cain could have repented at any time had he chosen to do so. Instead, Cain continued to sin, and she observed him turning darker in pigmentation, which has been described by earlier LDS authorities as the Mark of Cain. This mark was intended to discourage Adam's other progeny from procreating with Cain's descendants and losing their Priesthood."

http://mormonism-unveiled.blogspot.com/2014/06/julie-rowe-discusses-her-nde-book.html

This dinosaur info was no big deal....though her creation of the earth ideas are incorrect IMO.

She comes across as believing in a lot of older folklore.

This made me roll my eyes:

"-- At the 2:10:00 point, Julie said that the 2008 U.S. Presidential election was stolen. Later, in this same vein (around 2:44:00), she said that the next U.S. President won't be better than the current occupant. She gave no hint as to the gender, race, or party affiliation of the next President. "

From another website that isn't specific enough to link to it is claimed she gave evolutionists a "cold toss of water in the face" with what she said about where the dinosaur bones came from.

 

Spencer was racist, too. What is it with these God talks to me but not you people?

 

It is worrisome that anyone takes people like this seriously.

[Tacenda]

My problem is that her details do create fear at times because it goes way past the things people can control for (invasion by other countries, biological warfare, getting hit by an asteroid or something…I may be mixing her up with Spencer, my apologies if so) and in saying that the run of the mill LDS isn't paying attention to this counsel like 'we' are instead it creates a sense of elites who will be saved and chosen for honour over and above others (Spencer really gets into that by claiming to have the office next to Christ in the temple).

That and her coupling up with an alternative treatment that is promoting becoming a practioner for almost $2000 not to help others in need, but to expand one's clientele…a method she is claiming is one of God's blessings to mankind in order to survive in this day and age….and she is helping to sell this gift that was revealed to her in a vision?

Rubs me the wrong way big time. I can barely see making books and using the money to pay for spreading the word…but is that missionary work more for spreading God's word or her own brand, expanding her market….which means more books and more people buy into alternative treatment as direct from God.

I would be handing the teaching away for what people wanted to donate with the rule that no one could sell their gift. Only those truly interested in helping others will care to invest in that….obviously not the person that God told about it though.

Listen to the prophets and their counsel gives much, much preparation especially if we have been living our lives that way since we first heard they teach it (as children), we will have become educated, thrifty, well stocked, studied nutrutition and good eating in thrifty ways and not just rely on someone dumping in our lap a complete food storage for 3 years or more product if we shell out tons of money and then never use….is throwing away good food being obedient? Don't think so. Food storage is best and cheapest in the long run by not having stacks of food go bad from not eating if we teach ourselves how to eat healthily and then buy food wisely and ahead of time to promote that health. That way when trouble comes, we will have our comfort food…in all the things that change around us, our food will be the same for the most part…that is the ultimate comfort food.

drug hit, letters are dancing, sorry if tht didn't make sense like I thought.

I was visiting my father in law at the hospital today, he had a stroke and now fluid has filled his lungs. While there one of his many grandsons came to visit him. We got to talking and he started talking about feeling like we only have maybe 5 years before the end is here. He's only 30, and divorced with no children. And then he started talking about the book "Visions of Glory" and then Julie Rowe. I quickly shot out that he needed to be wary of believing those things and mentioned this discussion forum. He mentioned being prepared and getting the food and ammo, he's got a few guns.

I'm totally worried about youth today, they're thinking like this is terribly sad. I mentioned Boyd K. Packer saying they'll get to be grandparents. And then my dang husband piped up, "Yeah, in the millennium".

[Stargazer]

Not necessarily. There may be value in sharing it, for others who might benefit (assuming it's true), or for her to even appreciate it better by talking about it. If people never shared their visions, the scriptures would have a lot of missing sections.

 

Yep!  When I was on my mission in Germany in 1973 I had a dream that the Second Coming was going to be in 1983.  I guess I should have told everyone about that, too.

 

Oh, wait...

[Stargazer]

I was visiting my father in law at the hospital today, he had a stroke and now fluid has filled his lungs. While there one of his many grandsons came to visit him. We got to talking and he started talking about feeling like we only have maybe 5 years before the end is here. He's only 30, and divorced with no children. And then he started talking about the book "Visions of Glory" and then Julie Rowe. I quickly shot out that he needed to be wary of believing those things and mentioned this discussion forum. He mentioned being prepared and getting the food and ammo, he's got a few guns.

I'm totally worried about youth today, they're thinking like this is terribly sad. I mentioned Boyd K. Packer saying they'll get to be grandparents. And then my dang husband piped up, "Yeah, in the millennium".

 

Heck, who doesn't have a few guns and some ammo?  I also have a whole bunch of food storage, too.  Not because of Roger or Julie.

[Jeanne]

Why should her "story" and/or experience be rejected and yet a vision in  grove by a 14 year old boy readily be accepted?

 

Tacenda, sorry to hear about your father-in-law.  Many hugs...Jeanne

Edited March 2, 2015 by Jeanne