Duncan Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 She is 22. She is a very bright girl, and I think that she is definitely a good candidate for someone ready for their endowments. She has one more year at BYU and will have her degree in Mathematics. She has already been accepted into a Masters program at Wake Forest University here in NC. Since her sister is getting married this summer, I think it would be great if she could be in the sealing room for it. It looks like everything is going to work out for her as far as the interview process with the Stake President is concerned. This is just the first situation I had heard of like this, so I thought I would throw the question out here! do you need to be endowed to witness a sealing? When my older sister was married my younger sister wasn't endowed and she saw witnessed it
The Nehor Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 Frankly, this whole thread is confusing to me, because, when I was Executive Secretary not more than a few months ago (say, three, at the most) we got a whole new page of Handbook 1, the gist of which was that young people who are not leaving on missions or who are not about to be sealed should not (at least, not necessarily) be given Temple Recommends simply as a matter of course (if they, e.g., are leaving for school or leaving home for employment). That said, I know people who are 18 going on 30, and others who are 30 going on 12. It's a headscratcher. [insert headscratching emoticon here.] I had a Stake President who would not give the Melchizedek Priesthood to 18-20 year olds who are able to serve a mission but choose not to. His argument was that there was no reason for them to make the covenant if they had already decided in advance not to follow through with it. A bit harsh but I see his point. 1
escott3564 Posted July 9, 2014 Author Posted July 9, 2014 do you need to be endowed to witness a sealing? When my older sister was married my younger sister wasn't endowed and she saw witnessed it??? I don't understand how your younger sister was able to view the sealing if she wasn't already endowed. You're saying that she had a limited use recommend for baptisms? This is the first I have ever heard of this. My daughter was married two years ago, and her sister actually did have a limited use temple recommend for baptisms for the dead, but was not allowed to witness the sealing. Well, maybe she should have been allowed to, but I had no idea this was possible. My father in law was the temple president at the time, and I'm sure he would have said something if that had been a possibility.
ksfisher Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 do you need to be endowed to witness a sealing? When my older sister was married my younger sister wasn't endowed and she saw witnessed itThis really doesn't make sense. What type of temple recommend did she have? 1
ksfisher Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 do you need to be endowed to witness a sealing? When my older sister was married my younger sister wasn't endowed and she saw witnessed it"...only persons who have received their own endowments may witness the sealing, and they must have current and valid temple recommends."https://www.lds.org/new-era/1971/06/information-for-brides-and-grooms-planning-a-temple-marriage?lang=engI know this is from a while ago (1971) but the policy hasn't changed
BlueDreams Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 I don't think there's anything new to announce that hasn't already been published. Is your friend in her late teens or early 20s? (See my post above.) 3 of the ones that I know who've received it in the last 4-5 years have been in their early 20's (22-24). From my end, I've heard or seen more of these happening lately. Especially in my ward. But my bishop/stake presidency are extremely temple oriented. The only thing I find problematic about the current policy is that there leaves more active LDS women than men unendowed and that "spiritual maturity" is a pretty subjective field of reference. with luv,BD
BlueDreams Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 do you need to be endowed to witness a sealing? When my older sister was married my younger sister wasn't endowed and she saw witnessed it Yeah, I'm surprised as well. As far as I know only those endowed can go.
Duncan Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) Yeah, I'm surprised as well. As far as I know only those endowed can go. to Ksfisher, escott3564 I called her earlier about this. So, my older sister and our BIL got sealed in the Temple in April of 1995. My then 14 year old sister got a limited use recommend from the Bishopric counselour who told her she was allowed to attend the sealing. Then she had an interview with one of the stake presidency and she asked if she was allowed to go (because she had second thoughts about the info. given to her by the counselour) and apparently he told her she could go and even wrote on the recommend itself, "please ensure so and so is allowed to go to the sealing"-paraphrasing. My Mum, and two sisters and BIL travelled the 15 hours to the Temple and they all got in and the deed was done. I asked her if she was freaked out by the clothing and she thought it was strange but whatever. But yeah, no one said boo about it Edited July 9, 2014 by Duncan
Garden Girl Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 to Ksfisher, escott3564 I called her earlier about this. So, my older sister and our BIL got sealed in the Temple in April of 1995. My then 14 year old sister got a limited use recommend from the Bishopric counselour who told her she was allowed to attend the sealing. Then she had an interview with one of the stake presidency and she asked if she was allowed to go (because she had second thoughts about the info. given to her by the counselour) and apparently he told her she could go and even wrote on the recommend itself, "please ensure so and so is allowed to go to the sealing"-paraphrasing. My Mum, and two sisters and BIL travelled the 15 hours to the Temple and they all got in and the deed was done. I asked her if she was freaked out by the clothing and she thought it was strange but whatever. But yeah, no one said boo about it Was this in Canada? I've been attending the temple since 1996 in the U.S. and have never heard of such a thing as a 14 year old, not part of a sealing, being able to attend a sealing, let alone an unendowed person... GG- 1
Kenngo1969 Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) Maybe this would work: Or this: Those are pretty good, but I'm fickle. I want an actual scratching-head icon. P.S.: Liz, I'm jealous of the guy in your avatar! Edited July 9, 2014 by Kenngo1969
Hamba Tuhan Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 I've been attending the temple since 1996 in the U.S. and have never heard of such a thing as a 14 year old, not part of a sealing, being able to attend a sealing, let alone an unendowed person... This past Saturday I was the witness at the sealing of a family I've been working with ever since they moved into our ward six years ago. The couple were sealed first, and then the five children (ranging in age from 8 to 20) were brought into the sealing room to be sealed to their parents.
Duncan Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 Was this in Canada? I've been attending the temple since 1996 in the U.S. and have never heard of such a thing as a 14 year old, not part of a sealing, being able to attend a sealing, let alone an unendowed person... GG- yep! Now, I haven't ever heard of this happening to anyone but I haven't ever thought to ask anyone about whether they got to attend sealings of their siblings. I think why no one said anything, at least in my family, is my parents were married civilly first and then 11 years later my then 9 yr old sister and my 7 yr old brother and two parents were all sealed and my bro. said they were all in the room together and they all witnessed the sealing. So a 9 yr old or a 14 yr old unendowed person witnessing a sealing, it apparently didn't make a difference! and my bro wasn't baptized yet
Storm Rider Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 Some are ready to engage in the covenants made in the temple and others are not. Though the blessings of the temple are for all of God's children, not all should rush to the temple. It is far better for one to reflect deeply and taking such a solemn step. The counsel given to leaders is real and serious, but it remains guidance rather than hard, fast rules. Each leader is consistently, constantly asked to follow the Spirit. 1
rongo Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 Duncan, the Church is true in Canada only as far as it is translated correctly . . . What happened was against Church policy, but no harm done. It should have been stopped at multiple stages along the way (ward interview, stake interview, temple front desk), but wasn't. It happens, sometimes. 2
Duncan Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 Duncan, the Church is true in Canada only as far as it is translated correctly . . . What happened was against Church policy, but no harm done. It should have been stopped at multiple stages along the way (ward interview, stake interview, temple front desk), but wasn't. It happens, sometimes. I like to think that why there aren't that many Canadian Mormons around is that we are getting translated and so those who remain do so for legal recognition purposes only 2
BlueDreams Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) I like to think that why there aren't that many Canadian Mormons around is that we are getting translated and so those who remain do so for legal recognition purposes only ....or you're the residue of people left over, like what was left after the City of Enoch Edited July 9, 2014 by BlueDreams
Duncan Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) ....or your the residue of people left over, like what was left after the City of Enoch this is true, I mean we can't let the Americans have all the fun! Edited July 9, 2014 by Duncan
BlueDreams Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 this is true, I mean we can't let the Americans have all the fun! I can't figure our if that's an insult or a compliment....but since I'm American, it's definitely got to be the latter. 1
Duncan Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 I can't figure our if that's an insult or a compliment....but since I'm American, it's definitely got to be the latter. good, good! Let's keep it that way!
Garden Girl Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 This past Saturday I was the witness at the sealing of a family I've been working with ever since they moved into our ward six years ago. The couple were sealed first, and then the five children (ranging in age from 8 to 20) were brought into the sealing room to be sealed to their parents. This is the way my sister and I were sealed to our parents in 1954... we were brought into the room to be sealed to them after they were sealed... we did not witness their sealing as a couple... GG
katherine the great Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 Just my 2 cents: The first time I remember hearing of a sister being endowed without marriage/mission was in 1986. I was getting married and my roommate was able to attend the wedding because she had recently received her endowments. She was 22, single and not inclined to serve a mission. She told me that her Bishop had actually approached her and suggested she receive her endowments. Her parents were getting a divorce, she was trying to finish college, had no luck dating and was generally discouraged with life, but she was a very faithful member. She took advantage of the opportunity and felt that the time she spent in the temple gave her a new purpose in life. She actually became a temple worker for a short period of time when it was very unusual for a girl her age to do so. 1
thesometimesaint Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 Was this in Canada? I've been attending the temple since 1996 in the U.S. and have never heard of such a thing as a 14 year old, not part of a sealing, being able to attend a sealing, let alone an unendowed person... GG- I've been going since 1972, and I have never heard of such a thing either. 1
Stargazer Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 do you need to be endowed to witness a sealing? When my older sister was married my younger sister wasn't endowed and she saw witnessed it As has been said, No, she wasn't supposed to be there. However, with a limited use recommend she could surely have gotten into the temple, and then since nobody checks recommends after that point, it wouldn't have been hard for her to get in to view the sealing. Just follow the others who are there to view the sealing. For one thing, a goodly portion of those who are present at the sealing are in fact dressed in "civvies", as was my wife and I when we were present to watch our first granddaughter be married in the San Diego temple.
Duncan Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 As has been said, No, she wasn't supposed to be there. However, with a limited use recommend she could surely have gotten into the temple, and then since nobody checks recommends after that point, it wouldn't have been hard for her to get in to view the sealing. Just follow the others who are there to view the sealing. For one thing, a goodly portion of those who are present at the sealing are in fact dressed in "civvies", as was my wife and I when we were present to watch our first granddaughter be married in the San Diego temple. I don't know what to to tell you!, she was led to believe she could be there and so she was there!
ksfisher Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 As has been said, No, she wasn't supposed to be there. However, with a limited use recommend she could surely have gotten into the temple, and then since nobody checks recommends after that point, it wouldn't have been hard for her to get in to view the sealing. Just follow the others who are there to view the sealing. For one thing, a goodly portion of those who are present at the sealing are in fact dressed in "civvies", as was my wife and I when we were present to watch our first granddaughter be married in the San Diego temple. In the Salt Lake Temple, at least, a colored dot (bright orange I believe) is placed on the clothing to let the temple workers know that this person has a limited use recommend. They have been doing this there for at least the past 15 years. A mature looking youth could remove the dot and probably not be questioned if they went elsewhere, but this deception would seem to defeat the purpose of going to the temple in the first place.
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