smac97 Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 (edited) Wow. I write this as I am listening to Elder Holland's talk given during the Saturday Morning Session of General Conference. His citation to Isaiah 30 is compelling, timely, and spot-on in light of recent events. His statement that the "bumper sticker" question, "What would Jesus do?," does not always yield a popular answer. His comments about loving sinners while simultaneously not condoning sin was spot-on. Be strong. Live the Gospel faithfully. Defend your beliefs . . . courteously, but defend them. Thrilling! I love General Conference! Thanks, -Smac Edited April 5, 2014 by smac97 3
Scott Lloyd Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 (edited) I opened a thread simultaneously with this one on the same topic. I just locked mine in deference to this one, because the opening post of this one is better than the opening post on mine. Here's mine from my thread: One of my favorite lines: "Defend your beliefs -- with courtesy and compassion, but defend them!" Edited April 5, 2014 by Scott Lloyd 2
Popular Post juliann Posted April 5, 2014 Popular Post Posted April 5, 2014 Did you notice that he said "women and men" instead of "men and women"? I felt like he was addressing the extreme feminist slams... he took on their mockery of "patriarchy," "elderly," People want: comfortable gods who don't rock the boat, they don't even row it. These folks invoke the name of Jesus as if he was one of these comfortable gods. (Referred to the "village love-in.) There is nothing like an Elder Holland delivery! 7
Scott Lloyd Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 Another good line (paraphrasing here): Jesus' commandment to not even think about doing evil is not going to be "popular down at the local love-in." The rhetoric is a bit anachronistic, but it gets the point across. 1
Scott Lloyd Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 Did you notice that he said "women and men" instead of "men and women"? I felt like he was addressing the extreme feminist slams... he took on their mockery of "patriarchy," "elderly," People want: comfortable gods who don't rock the boat, they don't even row it. These folks invoke the name of Jesus as if he was one of these comfortable gods. (Referred to the "village love-in.) There is nothing like an Elder Holland delivery!Good paraphrase. (Everybody's outdoing me today; I'd better quit now.)
CMZ Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 A lot of young 'uns are going to be asking what a love-in is. 1
Scott Lloyd Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 A lot of young 'uns are going to be asking what a love-in is.The sad thing is that with society's gradual and inexorable drift into and acceptance of immorality over the past 45 years, such a thing no longer seems revolutionary. 1
stemelbow Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 Jesus forgives infinitely. He does so without ever condoning the sin. Probably a terrible paraphrase, But I liked it. 1
smac97 Posted April 5, 2014 Author Posted April 5, 2014 The AP is already reporting on this talk, mere minutes after it ended: http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/6ee8cef87d5c4400969a388c6469dd7a/US--Mormon-Conference/#.U0AygPldW8Q Thanks, -Smac
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 Wow. I write this as I am listening to Elder Holland's talk given during the Saturday Morning Session of General Conference.His citation to Isaiah 30 is compelling, timely, and spot-on in light of recent events.His statement that the "bumper sticker" question, "What would Jesus do?," does not always yield a popular answer.His comments about loving sinners while simultaneously not condoning sin was spot-on.Be strong. Live the Gospel faithfully. Defend your beliefs . . . courteously, but defend them.Thrilling! I love General Conference!Thanks,-SmacWhere does Holland fit in...in the 12? It has been a while since we had a Prophet who delivers such fiery sermons. I love how his dispells the notion that you cannot "Preach" from the pulpit instead of just talking.
Scott Lloyd Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 The AP is already reporting on this talk, mere minutes after it ended: http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/6ee8cef87d5c4400969a388c6469dd7a/US--Mormon-Conference/#.U0AygPldW8QThanks,-SmacLike others of us news media types, AP was no doubt privy to an advance copy of the text.
JLHPROF Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 I love that Elder Holland is not afraid to speak out clearly (albeit carefully) against the "all you need is love" version of Christianity that is becoming more and more prevalent.I have had friends leave the Church, break their temple covenants, and become "Christians" because all you need is love. Even the EV religions (Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians and the other faith not works denominations) don't reduce Christianity to such nothingness. This whole non-denominational, God loves everybody no matter what, just have love version of the Gospel is almost more troubling than the anti-christian beliefs.I am a little surprised Elder Holland spoke out against that current fad of thinking but I am so glad he did. Another inspiring discourse. 2
smac97 Posted April 5, 2014 Author Posted April 5, 2014 (edited) Where does Holland fit in...in the 12? It has been a while since we had a Prophet who delivers such fiery sermons. I love how his dispells the notion that you cannot "Preach" from the pulpit instead of just talking. He is ninth in terms of seniority. (Edited to change "eighth" to "ninth"). Thanks, -Smac Edited April 5, 2014 by smac97
why me Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 I love that Elder Holland is not afraid to speak out clearly (albeit carefully) against the "all you need is love" version of Christianity that is becoming more and more prevalent.I have had friends leave the Church, break their temple covenants, and become "Christians" because all you need is love. Even the EV religions (Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians and the other faith not works denominations) don't reduce Christianity to such nothingness. I think that Elder Holland knows that EVs, other protestants and catholics often refer to the Mormon Jesus or the Mormon God. And how the lds jesus and god is different than the rest of chrisitian version of what god is. I have often heard that god is love and god is compassionate. That does not love the sin but still loves the sinner. That all one needs is grace and all will be well upon death. And the mormon god is full of guilt. I think that elder holland's talk was a direct hit on this philosophy that might be leading mormons away. I was just listening to a former BYU professor who left the church with her family because she found the real jesus in the EVs because of grace. No need to attempt perfection or live the commandments because the blood of jesus has redeemed us all upon death.
why me Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 (edited) Did you notice that he said "women and men" instead of "men and women"? I felt like he was addressing the extreme feminist slams... he took on their mockery of "patriarchy," "elderly," People want: comfortable gods who don't rock the boat, they don't even row it. These folks invoke the name of Jesus as if he was one of these comfortable gods. (Referred to the "village love-in.) There is nothing like an Elder Holland delivery!It was a great and needed delivery for all members of the church who are being tempted by the god is love mantra. He made the case for the lds position well and clear so that the young people who may be tempted away to join the EVs message. As I understand it there are active EV organizations in Utah attempting to tempt members away from the church with their 'love' logic. Edited April 5, 2014 by why me
awyatt Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 (edited) I believe that the reporter for the AP story is sitting beside me in the media room right now. ;-) -Allen Edited April 5, 2014 by awyatt
Rivers Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 What part of Isaiah 30 did he quote? I don't recall.
mormonnewb Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 I hope all of you take "courage" in condemning a hated minority. That's certainly who Jesus spent His ministry condemning -- the prostitutes, the lepers, the tax collectors, right? What an irony that the people who turned Him over to the Romans were actually the "righteous." Is it possibly because He did not share their disdain for the sinners? Or maybe it's because they focused on the sins of others and ignore the planks in their own eyes? Or perhaps, it's because they exalted themselves when they should have been in repentance for their sins? You are being taken out of the thread. 1
bluebell Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 I hope all of you take "courage" in condemning a hated minority. That's certainly who Jesus spent His ministry condemning -- the prostitutes, the lepers, the tax collectors, right? What an irony that the people who turned Him over to the Romans were actually the "righteous." Is it possibly because He did not share their disdain for the sinners? Or maybe it's because they focused on the sins of others and ignore the planks in their own eyes? Or perhaps, it's because they exalted themselves when they should have been in repentance for their sins?Wait, which hated minority did elder Holland tell us we need to condemn?I think I missed it. 2
Bikeemikey Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 Wait, which hated minority did elder Holland tell us we need to condemn?I think I missed it. Yeah me too... Mormonnewb please clarify...
Danzo Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 I hope all of you take "courage" in condemning a hated minority. That's certainly who Jesus spent His ministry condemning -- the prostitutes, the lepers, the tax collectors, right? What an irony that the people who turned Him over to the Romans were actually the "righteous." Is it possibly because He did not share their disdain for the sinners? Or maybe it's because they focused on the sins of others and ignore the planks in their own eyes? Or perhaps, it's because they exalted themselves when they should have been in repentance for their sins?CFR
smac97 Posted April 5, 2014 Author Posted April 5, 2014 What part of Isaiah 30 did he quote? I don't recall. I'm not sure which verse he started out (our TV antenna was a little glitchy), but look at verses 9-12. He was quoting from that general area. In light of recent developments, this passage is startling in its prophetic clarity. Thanks, -Smac
thesometimesaint Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 (edited) CFR For one the woman taken in adultery. Edited April 5, 2014 by thesometimesaint 1
bluebell Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 For one the woman taken in adultery. Pres. Holland told us to condemn the woman taken in adultery?
The Nehor Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 I hope all of you take "courage" in condemning a hated minority. That's certainly who Jesus spent His ministry condemning -- the prostitutes, the lepers, the tax collectors, right? What an irony that the people who turned Him over to the Romans were actually the "righteous." Is it possibly because He did not share their disdain for the sinners? Or maybe it's because they focused on the sins of others and ignore the planks in their own eyes? Or perhaps, it's because they exalted themselves when they should have been in repentance for their sins? I am going to take the example of the savior with the women in adultery: "Neither do I condemn thee; go and sin no more." 2
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