Popular Post Scott Lloyd Posted October 5, 2013 Popular Post Posted October 5, 2013 (edited) That line just given by President Uchtdorf in the Saturday a.m. session has my vote for pithiest quote of the conference. The entire talk is beautiful -- and especially timely. Edited October 5, 2013 by Scott Lloyd 12
jwhitlock Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 Absolutely. There has been some significant counsel and testimony in this Saturday morning session.
The Nehor Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 Another six months of tithing. I want Consecration!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 4
Anijen Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 That line just given by President Uchtdorf in the Saturday a.m. session has my vote for pithiest quote of the conference. The entire talk is beautiful -- and especially timely.I was just coming to check if there was a favorite quote thread, and sure enough you have it as the title.
Popular Post canard78 Posted October 5, 2013 Popular Post Posted October 5, 2013 I thank heavens for Elder Uchtdorf. "If you seek truth, meaning, and a way to transform faith into action, if you are looking for a place of belonging, come, join with us. If you have left the faith you once embraced, come back again. Join with us. If you are tempted to give up, stay yet a little longer. There is room for you here. I plead with all who read or hear these words, come join with us. Come, heed the call of the gentle Christ. Take up your cross and follow him. Come, join with us." President Dieter F. Uchtdorf 8
Calm Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 I started crying when he said "my friends"....there is such a total commitment to loving others in him. 2
Bikeemikey Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 That line just given by President Uchtdorf in the Saturday a.m. session has my vote for pithiest quote of the conference. The entire talk is beautiful -- and especially timely. An excellent talk!! 1
Biz Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 Some doubts aren't doubts they are more powerful truths!
Bikeemikey Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 Some doubts aren't doubts they are more powerful truths! :-) Starting the derailment with a sliding scale of truth. Not a bad effort. 2
Calm Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 Some doubts aren't doubts they are more powerful truths!Did you listen to his talk or are you just responding to the quote?
sweetpotatoh Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 The talk by Brother Uchtdorf was one of the finest talks I have ever heard. Just beautiful. 1
jkwilliams Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 I think better counsel would be to always question and doubt because you stop thinking and learning and growing the second you stop questioning and think you know. If faith is misplaced, it does not merit a privileged place above doubt. 3
Calm Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 I think better counsel would be to always question and doubt because you stop thinking and learning and growing the second you stop questioning and think you know. If faith is misplaced, it does not merit a privileged place above doubt.Did you listen to his talk? 2
jkwilliams Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 Did you listen to his talk? No, I just got back from driving my parents to my niece's house in Maryland. I'm just going by the statement in the OP. If he's not saying what it sounds like he's saying, maybe someone can explain the context.
Kenngo1969 Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 I don't think doubt is a sin. But, in and of itself, I don't think it's one of the highest virtues, either. YMMV.
Kenngo1969 Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 Another six months of tithing. I want Consecration!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You've been to the Temple, so you've got it. In the Church, we're like Toyota: you ask for it, you've got it!
jkwilliams Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 I don't think doubt is a sin. But, in and of itself, I don't think it's one of the highest virtues, either. YMMV. Doubt is always an element of faith, as faith ceases to be faith when there is no longer doubt. Years ago I heard President Eyring say that too often we considered a questioning mind a negative thing, but we ought to see it more as a desire for knowledge and understanding. So, yes, in my view doubt is not only a virtue but is a necessity. Others, such as President Monson, clearly disagree with me.
Duncan Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 Doubt is always an element of faith, as faith ceases to be faith when there is no longer doubt. Years ago I heard President Eyring say that too often we considered a questioning mind a negative thing, but we ought to see it more as a desire for knowledge and understanding.So, yes, in my view doubt is not only a virtue but is a necessity. Others, such as President Monson, clearly disagree with me. as I recall Pres. Uchtdorf spoke to that last time or two times ago, something like that anyways! faulty imperfect memory
why me Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 (edited) Members needed to hear that past leaders were not perfect. And current leaders also. It was a timely talk. Lets see how the exmembers say about it. His welcome to exmembers was wonderful. Edited October 5, 2013 by why me
Rivers Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 President Uchdorf has been on a roll with giving great talks lately. There was a lot I like about this one. It was a breath of fresh air to hear him speak to the fact that people leave the church for various reasons other than being lazy, sinful, or being offended.
jkwilliams Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 This was really nice to hear: One might ask, ‘If the gospel is so wonderful, why would anyone leave?’ Sometimes we assume it is because they have been offended or lazy or sinful. Actually, it is not that simple. In fact there is not just one reason that applies to the variety of situations. We openly acknowledge that in nearly 200 years of Church history — along with an uninterrupted line of inspired, honorable, and divine events — there have been some things said and done that could cause people to question. It really doesn't help for people to tell those of us who have left why we left. It means a lot to me that President Uchtdorf understands that one can leave in good conscience for what they believe are good reasons. Me, I left because I decided I wanted to sin because I was offended when someone told me I never had a testimony in the first place. 2
canard78 Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 http://www.lds.org/general-conference/watch/2013/10?lang=eng&vid=2717004184001 1:33:17 I bawled my eyes out watching this. It's such a relief and a blessing to have such a senior member of the church speak in this way.
Scott Lloyd Posted October 5, 2013 Author Posted October 5, 2013 I think better counsel would be to always question and doubt because you stop thinking and learning and growing the second you stop questioning and think you know. If faith is misplaced, it does not merit a privileged place above doubt.It seems to me that it is you who is giving doubt a privileged place above faith. 2
Scott Lloyd Posted October 5, 2013 Author Posted October 5, 2013 This was really nice to hear:It really doesn't help for people to tell those of us who have left why we left. It means a lot to me that President Uchtdorf understands that one can leave in good conscience for what they believe are good reasons.Me, I left because I decided I wanted to sin because I was offended when someone told me I never had a testimony in the first place. Thanks for your honesty.
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