pogi Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 The pictures we have are an artist rendition and may or may not have any basis in reality so I wouldn't put too much reliance an them for what he looked like.I agree with Nehor in that he most certainly had a beard, but he was no blue eyed whitey that most artist depict him as.
CV75 Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Or a sign that your wife loves the way it looks on you and feels on her when kissing.Oh, that’s not a symbol... we all have to make our tough chocies when it comes to accepting a calling or request.
Calm Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) Let me know when not wearing a beard becomes a calling then....The Bishops he has served with as clerk, counselor, EQP, HPGL haven't ever had a problem with it.One Stake President made it into a test of obedience, the next one could have cared less. As far as the one who was actually concerned with our family, the individuals in it and not just my husband fulfilling his calling...the second one was far and away much more concerned. Edited January 4, 2013 by calmoriah
CV75 Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 I disagree that wearing a beard is a sign of "issues".I also do not think I should be required to defer to everyone elses symbolism on the basis that it will unite us. I am not sure I want to unite with people who consider natural hair growth a sign of rebellion in any case. Kinda like uniting woth the industrious, patriotic, and dress-standard zealots of the Book of Mormon (those Zoramite chaps).I was careful to say that when it is used as a symbol, it certainly is a sign of "issues, concerns and assertions." Just as not wearing a beard is used as a symbol. I don't use the term "issues" in an exclusively prejorative connotation.I feel that the expresssed "issues, concerns and assertions" of LDS leaders warrant my deference and contribute to the unified symbolism and unity in symbolism. As pointed out, exceptions are recognized and in order.My fundamental position from which even this extends was in my first post. To paraphrase for beards and white shirts instead of the hijab, it is easy enough to explain that one's beard carries no conflicting religious meaning. The important thing is that whoever says it in any application really means it and is at peace with ay consequences, and those who defer to the customs articulated / exemplified by our leaders are blessed.
Garden Girl Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Hello EllenMaksoud...Well, I've read this whole thread and am glad people have been supportive... however, when I first read your OP about getting mad I thought to myself... why is she getting mad? Didn't you know that you would receive at least a few raised eyebrows? That's just normal. That's people... for you to get mad I believe is an over reaction. In fact, if you came into my ward wearing the hajib I can guarantee you might get a raised eyebrow or two... and my ward is one of the most loving, accepting wards ever... and I mean ever. But the hajib is not something we see every day, in fact I don't think I've ever seen one in my town... let alone at Church. I might not raise my eyebrows, but I would certainly wonder...I agree with others... you should wear the hajib and if you get questions simply answer that you like it, its comfortable, and it keeps your head warm... and I wouldn't worry about raised eyebrows. But to think you won't turn a head or two is unrealistic I don't care where you are... at Church I believe it is just a natural curiosity vs judgment. As for beards, our bishop's counselors have beards...GG
CV75 Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Let me know when not wearing a beard becomes a calling then....The Bishops he has served with as clerk, counselor, EQP, HPGL haven't ever had a problem with it.One Stake President made it into a test of obedience, the next one could have cared less. As far as the one who was actually concerned with our family, the individuals in it and not just my husband fulfilling his calling...the second one was far and away much more concerned.That is fine as ar as I'm concerned--I defer to the leader du jour and any calling where he/she might require, request or prefer a clean-shaven face.If I was asked to grow a beard, or braid my armpit hair, I would.
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 As opposed to the one I showed earlier, she would be found on the right hand side of this painting:I now have two of these pictures in the same house...
CV75 Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 You try kissing 8 hour stubble sometime and see how much you enjoy it.Unless men are willing to shave twice a day, beards are a kindness to women.As I said, in some cases you really have to!
CV75 Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 I now have two of these pictures in the same house... I'm glad I could provide them! You might want to purchase nice prints, however. 1
pogi Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) If the beard is not a symbol, then not wearing one is not an issue for the sake of uniting with those who find symbolism in not wearing one. And of course there are always allowable exceptions for the better reasons for wearing one.This is the first I have heard of the supposed symbology of not wearing a beard. I had no idea that there are some people who are drawing lines. If there is any division and refusal to unite, it would be on the part of the superficial ones and not the superfacial-hair ones. Edited January 4, 2013 by pogi 2
Hamba Tuhan Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Unless men are willing to shave twice a day, beards are a kindness to women.Not all beards, unfortunately. I used to wear mine all the time, and then somewhere in my later 20s the whiskers decided to metamorphose through some diabolical alchemy into wire. The only exceptions are the bits directly above and below my lips. The last time I grew out any more than this (for a month-long fundraiser), it was painful every single moment. I was complaining about it one evening at the house of one of my mates from church, and he accused me of being soft. (He has a beard of some sort all the time.) So I challenged him to touch mine. 'Ouch!' he said as he quickly jerked his hand away. 'What is that? Steel wool?'
Hamba Tuhan Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 As for beards, our bishop's counselors have beards...As do I (well, facial hair; see above post), and I'm a counsellor to my bishop. As does our executive secretary. When I was visiting family in America in 2011, the bishop of the ward I attended plus one of his counsellors, the ward clerk, and the exec sec all had facial hair. Some of you seem to live in a parallel universe.If I was asked to ... braid my armpit hair, I would.Hey, I thought I was the only person who does that!
Hamba Tuhan Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 If you are an ordinance worker, you need to shave your beard off.I was actually working in a temple when this policy was first introduced (as part of new dress and grooming standards for all temple workers). I distinctly remember that the new policy came accompanied by a cover letter from the Temple Department explaining that they were introducing such standards because they had been inundated by requests for consistency as well as complaints from people that standards varied from temple to temple. Like Ancient Israel, we often get exactly what we're whingeing for.By the way, the guideline says that male temple workers should 'generally' not wear facial hair. I had a beard at the time and was actually acting in an amateur film as well, so I just kept wearing my beard until I was released from my calling in the baptistery.I sometimes have this image of Jesus coming back to the temple and getting escorted immediately off to get trim.Only if the temple workers haven't read their handbook, wherein it explicitly states that no one with a valid recommend is to be turned away or even questioned based on dress or grooming.
bluebell Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 You try kissing 8 hour stubble sometime and see how much you enjoy it.Unless men are willing to shave twice a day, beards are a kindness to women.I am not a fan of kissing my hubby when he's in beard mode. It's like kissing something furry. :yuck: 1
pogi Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 I am not a fan of kissing my hubby when he's in beard mode. It's like kissing something furry. :yuck:You mean like a human? ewwwww! 1
Calm Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Not all beards, unfortunately. I used to wear mine all the time, and then somewhere in my later 20s the whiskers decided to metamorphose through some diabolical alchemy into wire. The only exceptions are the bits directly above and below my lips. The last time I grew out any more than this (for a month-long fundraiser), it was painful every single moment. I was complaining about it one evening at the house of one of my mates from church, and he accused me of being soft. (He has a beard of some sort all the time.) So I challenged him to touch mine. 'Ouch!' he said as he quickly jerked his hand away. 'What is that? Steel wool?' We all have our burdens to bear.
Calm Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) I am not a fan of kissing my hubby when he's in beard mode. It's like kissing something furry. :yuck:I didn't to begin with, but it works great now. And my lips don't kill me for a couple of hours after a....well, very involved discussion shall we say.His grandmother use to say a kiss without a beard is like a pie without the cheese....since I hate pie with cheese (except cream cheese, yum, yum), I prefer the more common "egg without the salt". Edited January 4, 2013 by calmoriah
Hamba Tuhan Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) You mean like a human? ewwwww!Some women prefer reptilian humanoids over proper mammalian ones, it seems. Edited January 4, 2013 by Hamba Tuhan 2
Stargazer Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 I most certainly would not be uncomfortable and I won't even go into the tired question about what men wear under them. Going "regimental"?That means nothing.Literally.Gosh, am I ever a bad boy.
Stargazer Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 I still, rarely, cross my arms when praying. Conformity may be highly valued but is not required. Even then it is only highly valued by some members.When we retire for the night, sometimes my wife and I kneel beside the bed, and sometimes we lay in bed, and pray. I think He hears us, regardless.
Stargazer Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 You win. I do not think I have the courage, plus I am 35 pounds over weight, people would be ill at the sight of me.35 lbs? That's ALL? I am 100 lbs overweight. I win!!
Stargazer Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) So, CV 75 does it imply that you were on the Carrier Harry S Truman? My son was on the Kennedy, or so I thought until I found out he wasn't. He was doing things that he will not tell me of.The Truman is CVN-75. But CV75 has not yet revealed the meaning of his board name.Sounds like your son will have tales to tell one of these days. Edited January 4, 2013 by Stargazer
EllenMaksoud Posted January 4, 2013 Author Posted January 4, 2013 Going "regimental"?That means nothing.Literally.Gosh, am I ever a bad boy.Here in the American Colonies, I think the term would be going commando. smirk.
Nathair/|\ Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 The Truman is CVN-75. But CV75 has not yet revealed the meaning of his board name.Sounds like your son will have tales to tell one of these days.If what he does is ever declassified.
Nathair/|\ Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Here in the American Colonies, I think the term would be going commando. smirk.It's called regimental with kilts because wearing them that way is only required when they are part of a military uniform. 1
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