Mixed Lds Messages

[cdowis]

One man in particular really arouses my ire. He is at least a foot taller than me, and when he talks to me, he makes me look up at him and then he talks to me like a big brother. Grrrrrr I'm old enough to be his Mother!

"Bro Johnson,I hope you don't mind, but I have difficulty hearing you when you are so close. (Hold our your hands while you back up a foot or so) There, that's much better."

That puts you in control of the situation and both of you will feel better. The excuse is that he is too close to you, and he will understand, and several feet away he will not overtower you.

Edited January 3, 2013 by cdowis

[EllenMaksoud]

"Bro Johnson,I hope you don't mind, but I have difficulty hearing you when you are so close. (Hold our your hands while you back up a foot or so) There, that's much better."

That puts you in control of the situation and both of you will feel better. The excuse is that he is too close to you, and he will understand, and several feet away he will not overtower you.

Another of his favorite tricks is to say that only elder missionaries are true missionaries. This almost makes me blow a circuit and he knows it! In truth, had it not been for the Sister Missionaries in Kirtland, when I first started, it would not have happened as Muslim women do not talk to the men!

[bluebell]

Another of his favorite tricks is to say that only elder missionaries are true missionaries. This almost makes me blow a circuit and he knows it! In truth, had it not been for the Sister Missionaries in Kirtland, when I first started, it would not have happened as Muslim women do not talk to the men!

If he's being honest when he says that (and not just trying to tease you because he knows you don't like it and he weirdly thinks he's being friendly by the teasing) then i would let him know how offensive and untrue such words are and that you are disappointed he would speak ill of women called of God and that you thought much better of him and are sad to now know better.

Sometimes people just don't realize what they are saying and how idiotic they are being.

Say it with a smile but don't let him get away with it.

[The Nehor]

No such thing as "only" a symbol. When it knowingly and conventionally represents or stands for somethig else, it is as good as what it conveys.

I disagree. The word 'pie' represents pie but I would rather have a pie and not the symbol.

Prayer is communication as if He were in the room but Him being in the room would be better.

The temple symbolizes heaven but I would rather be in heaven.

[The Nehor]

No--I meant: all females are angels!

I have an ex-girlfriend you should meet.

[The Nehor]

Another of his favorite tricks is to say that only elder missionaries are true missionaries. This almost makes me blow a circuit and he knows it! In truth, had it not been for the Sister Missionaries in Kirtland, when I first started, it would not have happened as Muslim women do not talk to the men!

New plan: Stop conversing with him. He is an idiot.

[GingerRed]

EllenMaksoud

Bless your heart! How glorious that you found the gospel the way you did! Such courage it takes to leave the Muslim religion to become LDS!

If you were in my ward and you were getting some 'guff' about your beautiful hijab, I would speak the the RS president to let you have a moment in RS to share your testimony and at that time, explain the lovely meaning of your scarf you wear. Get it all out in the open and share with the women your heartfelt sentiment and I bet all the women would feel your love and the beautiful way to mix culture together.

I looked this up on You Tube

Look how this lovely young girl shows a way to put a little twist on the scarf that looks like a rose shape! Kind of more modern add on to an already pretty accessory.

[wayfarer]

there is so much in islam to be cherished, yet most LDS don't understand it. I sense that Mohammed was in some way a prophet of god, and he revealed much. Now we have living prophets, and they reveal things as well.

You are encountering the unwritten cultural rules sometimes called "the order of things". great comments have been provided. I can only say, if you want to wear the Hajib, wear it proudly. Be completely authentic to who you are, and yes, there will be raised eyebrows, but if you know what you believe, and have confidence in your belief, you will find that your belief sanctifies you.

Just an opinion.

[CV75]

I disagree. The word 'pie' represents pie but I would rather have a pie and not the symbol.

Prayer is communication as if He were in the room but Him being in the room would be better.

The temple symbolizes heaven but I would rather be in heaven.

Similarly, I would rather have someone deal directly with their issues, concerns and assertions than to do so by remaining silent and only wearing a beard—in the case it is a symbol, that is. At least those that find a symbol in not wearing a beard are articulating theirs.

If the beard is not a symbol, then not wearing one is not an issue for the sake of uniting with those who find symbolism in not wearing one. And of course there are always allowable exceptions for the better reasons for wearing one.

Personally, I don't care what the mores du jour are, but much can be gained by what they symbolize and the resulting cohesion from such family, community, national, and other traditions.

Edited January 3, 2013 by CV75

[Nathair/|\]

I most certainly would not be uncomfortable and I won't even go into the tired question about what men wear under them.

Nothing is worn. It's all in perfect working order.

(An old picture of me. I didn't have my brooch that day, so I had to tuck in the top half.)

Edited January 4, 2013 by Nathair

[CV75]

I have an ex-girlfriend you should meet.

As opposed to the one I showed earlier, she would be found on the right hand side of this painting:

[EllenMaksoud]

EllenMaksoud

Bless your heart! How glorious that you found the gospel the way you did! Such courage it takes to leave the Muslim religion to become LDS!

If you were in my ward and you were getting some 'guff' about your beautiful hijab, I would speak the the RS president to let you have a moment in RS to share your testimony and at that time, explain the lovely meaning of your scarf you wear. Get it all out in the open and share with the women your heartfelt sentiment and I bet all the women would feel your love and the beautiful way to mix culture together.

I looked this up on You Tube

Look how this lovely young girl shows a way to put a little twist on the scarf that looks like a rose shape! Kind of more modern add on to an already pretty accessory.

Thank you so much.

[EllenMaksoud]

there is so much in islam to be cherished, yet most LDS don't understand it. I sense that Mohammed was in some way a prophet of god, and he revealed much. Now we have living prophets, and they reveal things as well.

You are encountering the unwritten cultural rules sometimes called "the order of things". great comments have been provided. I can only say, if you want to wear the Hajib, wear it proudly. Be completely authentic to who you are, and yes, there will be raised eyebrows, but if you know what you believe, and have confidence in your belief, you will find that your belief sanctifies you.

Just an opinion.

This may be rather odd to some, but I always thought that Heavenly Father kept talking to us even after evangelicals say he stopped after the crucifiction of Jesus Christ. I never believed them. So, it was rather an easy thing for me to believe that Muhammad PBUH was the prophet of Allah SWT and that the Holy Qur'an is true.

Therefore, when confronted with the beliefs of Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon, the leap was only a small step. For another time perhaps is my story. Save to say that so much has happened to me since encountering the Sisters in Kirtland that sometimes I think I would not need anything but what Heavenly Father has seen done in my presence.

Much peace

Khadijah (my old Muslim name)

Now I must cook dinner and get ready for Baptisms for the Dead.

[Calm]

For the time being, when the beard is a symbol, it is more a symbol of vanity, apathy, lack of self-care, entitlement for acceptance and protected feelings, individuality, or unique “specialness.” Fortunately nothing like that exists in today's world!

Or a sign that your wife loves the way it looks on you and feels on her when kissing.

[Calm]

I might just do that very thing! LOL

I was in sour mood when I started this thread. Thank you all for such loving responses.

I wouldn't mind going shopping for one or two, I like wearing scarves to keep my head warm but they are either too big and keep falling off or too big and too tight (I have a large head...so many brains, ). The hajib looks like a style that would stay on without being too tight.

[blackstrap]

I wear a beard in the winter here. It is a symbol of ........me trying to keep my face warm when it's %%#$@$&^ - 20 degrees out. Personally , I think Bishops and Stake Presidents should be REQUIRED to wear a beard so the general membership will recognize their obviously elevated rank.

[Calm]

Love the beard-er, not the beard! Unless you really have to!

You try kissing 8 hour stubble sometime and see how much you enjoy it.

Unless men are willing to shave twice a day, beards are a kindness to women.

[pogi]

You try kissing 8 hour stubble sometime and see how much you enjoy it.

Unless men are willing to shave twice a day, beards are a kindness to women.

My wife agrees!

In that maintaining a clean shaven smoothness for their sweeties requires taking a sharp weapon of sorts to their sensitive necks (once or twice a day, depending on genetics, sometime three times a day - I've met the link between ape and man) to please their spouses, beards are equally kindness to men.

Edited January 4, 2013 by pogi

[The Nehor]

You try kissing 8 hour stubble sometime and see how much you enjoy it.

Unless men are willing to shave twice a day, beards are a kindness to women.

I tried. I cannot grow one. Unless I am kissing someone no one can tell for 4 to 5 days if I have shaved. When I am kissing every 1 to 2 days. Some would say God cut off my rebellion at the source.

[EllenMaksoud]

I wouldn't mind going shopping for one or two, I like wearing scarves to keep my head warm but they are either too big and keep falling off or too big and too tight (I have a large head...so many brains, ). The hajib looks like a style that would stay on without being too tight.

Most women wear Hijab with strategically placed pins to keep it on, however it is possible to wear it in such a way as to wind it on without any pins. Interestingly, one can often tell where a woman if from by the way she wears Hijab. I use Saudi style, but I am American, and happy to say so.

[EllenMaksoud]

You try kissing 8 hour stubble sometime and see how much you enjoy it.

Unless men are willing to shave twice a day, beards are a kindness to women.

Mine used to comb his beard out and in time, it was very soft and um nice.

[The Nehor]

Similarly, I would rather have someone deal directly with their issues, concerns and assertions than to do so by remaining silent and only wearing a beard—in the case it is a symbol, that is. At least those that find a symbol in not wearing a beard are articulating theirs.

If the beard is not a symbol, then not wearing one is not an issue for the sake of uniting with those who find symbolism in not wearing one. And of course there are always allowable exceptions for the better reasons for wearing one.

Personally, I don't care what the mores du jour are, but much can be gained by what they symbolize and the resulting cohesion from such family, community, national, and other traditions.

I disagree that wearing a beard is a sign of "issues".

I also do not think I should be required to defer to everyone elses symbolism on the basis that it will unite us. I am not sure I want to unite with people who consider natural hair growth a sign of rebellion in any case. Kinda like uniting woth the industrious, patriotic, and dress-standard zealots of the Book of Mormon (those Zoramite chaps).

[The Nehor]

As opposed to the one I showed earlier, she would be found on the right hand side of this painting:

Not sure on mine. Depends on if the insanity defense works at the Final Judgment.

[ERayR]

What cranks my hide is this BIG concern about men's facial hair. If you go into leadership, by golly, you need to shave off your beard. If you are an ordinance worker, you need to shave your beard off. YET...we have pictures of JESUS sporting a beard and mustache, and early church leaders up to the 50s sporting them. WHAT REVELATION has been received that says in order to be a leader AFTER the 50s you MUST be clean shaven. I don't have a beard and mustache myself, but when we were trying to convince my son he needed a hair cut, he's like..."Jesus has long hair. You said you want me to be like Jesus"

"Well son..um...ur...Because if you don't we are taking away your allowance!"

I sometimes have this image of Jesus coming back to the temple and getting escorted immediately off to get trim.

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The pictures we have are an artist rendition and may or may not have any basis in reality so I wouldn't put too much reliance an them for what he looked like.

[The Nehor]

The pictures we have are an artist rendition and may or may not have any basis in reality so I wouldn't put too much reliance an them for what he looked like.

I would lay a lot of money on Jesus having a beard. If his detractors could insult Him for being Greco-Roman by shaving they would have been all over it.

Edited January 4, 2013 by The Nehor