How would a loving God NOT cease to be God if He eternally stopped the ability to progress of plants and animals?

[Peacefully]

On 1/2/2025 at 11:13 PM, Dario_M said:

You know what i question myself. Why God doesn't stop all those horible diseases, like viruses (Corona, Ebola, HIV, and other nasty diseases). Or what do you think about Cancer for example? More and more people are getting cancer, at an increasingly younger age. That's something to worrie about. Why would God not stop the progress of all those horible diseases. It distroys so many lives. I wish that God would stop them all. That he would get rid of all those diseases. It would make life a lot more pleasent. The progress of plants and animals don't need to be stopped. Nature is part of life. It's Gods creation and it is beautiful. We even need nature to be able to live. It literaly saves our lives. 🌳

I haven’t read the whole thread so I’m probably way off topic, but I have the same type of questions. Mine revolve more around why do some babies and children have to suffer horrific abuse and neglect. Their little hearts are so pure and they don’t have any way to defend themselves. Many will never recover and become abusers themselves. They never even get the chance of a normal life. It makes me so sad. 

[Dario_M]

10 hours ago, Calm said:

Are they actually getting cancer more often or are we getting better at detecting (seeing traces), diagnosing (recognizing traces), 

People who get cancer will find it out anyway. Even if they get a wrong diagnoses in the beginning. If you get cancer then at some point you just can't avoid all the serious symptoms you are going to have sooner or later. And uh... how so where people not able to report things 30 years ago? So much hasn't changed seems te me. I wasn't talking about the stone age haha. 😌

10 hours ago, Calm said:

Also the rate of childhood cancer has been steady since 2015 (which makes it unlikely anything in the last 5 years has increased the rate) according to a couple of sites I glanced at looking for the stats, but they may be out of date.  This might be because our ability to detect has reached a limit (the tech is catching almost all detectable cancers in children areas it is being used in the US) or something else****.  Many of the sites I am looking at are saying detection played a big part in rising rates, but at least one recent study has also found exposure to traffic pollution increases cancer.  OTOH, melanoma rates have dropped due to prevention efforts by parents (putting on sun block, wearing long sleeves and hats in sun, etc).

Will offcourse i will give you a link about this problem. Just to back up my claim. I will do it at the end of my post. Because i'm now on my phone and i first need to post this bevore i can edit a link to it as well. 

10 hours ago, Calm said:

The very good news is the death rate due to cancer for children has dropped by over half over the last 50 years in the US.  I am guessing earlier detection is part of what they label as treatment,

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/types/cancer-in-children/key-statistics.html#:~:text=How common is cancer in,American Cancer Society.
 

Yeah but that's because the treatments these days are better then 50 years ago. So i get that. Mind you there are types of cancers that are untreateble mostly. Pancreatic cancer for example. But actually every cancer will be fatal when you're to late finding it out, and you have already reacht stage 4. You're basicaly done. Getting cured is in the most cases not possible anymore and treatment is aimed at the quality of life in the palliative phase. And you don't have much more then a few years. 

10 hours ago, Calm said:

****being able to detect cancer may not always be a good thing. In the past  increases of earlier breast cancer detection  may have led to many more surgeries etc which actually caused more deaths than the cancer would have (because cancer doesn’t always grow to be dangerous).

Okay. But i was only talking about the malignant cancer types. 

10 hours ago, Calm said:

 I say “may have” because my gynecologist brother in law pointed to a massive study supporting this which I checked out way back then, but I believe it was around 20 or more years ago and so that result may have changed (they may have gotten better at determining when to treat and when not to) or there may have been found flaws with the study.

Yeah that's also a thing. Getting a misdiagnosis is also dangerous. 

Here the link https://iknl.nl/persberichten/aantal-gevallen-van-kanker-in-dertig-jaar-verdubbe 

It's in Dutch so you might wanna translate it. The reason why i have choosen for a Dutch link is because i wanna make sure the research is reliable. And it's honest. Bases on facts. So that you just can't avoid the seriousness of this problem. Offcourse this is only about the rates in the Netherlands. But be sure that if it happends here it happends wordwide as well. Cancer doesn't discriminate. 

Edited January 6, 2025 by Dario_M

[Dario_M]

10 hours ago, Peacefully said:

I haven’t read the whole thread so I’m probably way off topic, but I have the same type of questions. Mine revolve more around why do some babies and children have to suffer horrific abuse and neglect. Their little hearts are so pure and they don’t have any way to defend themselves. Many will never recover and become abusers themselves. They never even get the chance of a normal life. It makes me so sad. 

That's a really good one. 👍 abuse and neglect. That's also a big problem these days i gotta say. Allthough ..i'm 32 now but my farther used to hit me a lot when i was a child. And he hit me hard so that was def abuse. So that's already some years ago. And i can remember that abuse and neglect was a huge problem in my area at that time. I was not the only one. It even happend on my school as well. I was on a special school because of my autisme and let me tell you the teachers there where absolutely the abuse kind. Both physically and mentally. I could already notice around me that some of the kids where developing anger issues and aggresion at that young age. Probably from the abuse and neglect they already had to suffer at home and then experiencing the same thing on school as well. I was afrait of my teachers. So i always made sure i behaved as good as possible. To avoid getting a teacher on top of me. But some of the other kids where less lucky. 

[Calm]

54 minutes ago, Dario_M said:

People who get cancer will find it out anyway.

This was in Tokyo in 2009, but my guess is there are similar undiagnosed until death in the US given our health care system even if this is 15 years old.  Not everyone goes to the doctor.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3956693/

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However, nearly one quarter of decedents (24%; 95/400) had not received a cancer diagnosis before death. The proportions of decedents who had been indigent, received no medical consulting, and had colon cancer were significantly higher among undiagnosed cases than among diagnosed cases.

Back in 1990, over 10% of cancer cases were undiagnosed as found through autopsies.  Most probably didn’t kill the person, but were still present.  Detection, etc has gotten better since 1990, so the rate of cancer would be expected to go up as cancers that previously would have been missed and therefore undiagnosed become diagnosed and get added to the numbers.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2383394/
 

This is from 2015….urban hospital somewhere in the world still had a large number of undiagnosed malignant neoplasms found in autopsies.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26772396/

 

Edited January 6, 2025 by Calm

[Calm]

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. how so where people not able to report things 30 years ago?

The Internet has made gathering stats and reports much easier.  Reporting practices have changed as well.

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But actually every cancer will be fatal when you're to late finding it out,

Not all cancer is fatal in the sense it kills the person.  Some is slow growing enough the person may die from old age before it’s gets bad enough to be a problem (though some slow growing metastasize, so dangerous) or they don’t metastasize for some reason.

Edited January 6, 2025 by Calm

[Dario_M]

2 hours ago, Calm said:

This was in Tokyo in 2009, but my guess is there are similar undiagnosed until death in the US given our health care system even if this is 15 years old.  Not everyone goes to the doctor.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3956693/

Back in 1990, over 10% of cancer cases were undiagnosed as found through autopsies.  Most probably didn’t kill the person, but were still present.  Detection, etc has gotten better since 1990, so the rate of cancer would be expected to go up as cancers that previously would have been missed and therefore undiagnosed become diagnosed and get added to the numbers.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2383394/
 

This is from 2015….urban hospital somewhere in the world still had a large number of undiagnosed malignant neoplasms found in autopsies.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26772396/

 

Hey i'm now in the supermarket. I will react later. 💙

[Peacefully]

3 hours ago, Dario_M said:

That's a really good one. 👍 abuse and neglect. That's also a big problem these days i gotta say. Allthough ..i'm 32 now but my farther used to hit me a lot when i was a child. And he hit me hard so that was def abuse. So that's already some years ago. And i can remember that abuse and neglect was a huge problem in my area at that time. I was not the only one. It even happend on my school as well. I was on a special school because of my autisme and let me tell you the teachers there where absolutely the abuse kind. Both physically and mentally. I could already notice around me that some of the kids where developing anger issues and aggresion at that young age. Probably from the abuse and neglect they already had to suffer at home and then experiencing the same thing on school as well. I was afrait of my teachers. So i always made sure i behaved as good as possible. To avoid getting a teacher on top of me. But some of the other kids where less lucky. 

I’m so sorry that happened to you. I suffered some abuse as a child but it wasn’t daily and it wasn’t from my parents. I just think it is so unfair for children who suffer daily at the hands of their caregivers. 

[Dario_M]

3 hours ago, Calm said:

This was in Tokyo in 2009, but my guess is there are similar undiagnosed until death in the US given our health care system even if this is 15 years old.  Not everyone goes to the doctor.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3956693/

Yeah in the Netherlands the same. Not everyone goes to the doctor. Or they go way to late to the doctor and end up with stage 4 cancer. 

3 hours ago, Calm said:

Back in 1990, over 10% of cancer cases were undiagnosed as found through autopsies.  Most probably didn’t kill the person, but were still present.  Detection, etc has gotten better since 1990, so the rate of cancer would be expected to go up as cancers that previously would have been missed and therefore undiagnosed become diagnosed and get added to the numbers.

Yes but do you really believe that that is the only reason cancer rates are higher these days? Have you read my link? "A doubling of the number of cancer patients." It's impossible that "because we have it diagnosed better now and therefore have more accurate reports of all the cases" that that is enough to explain a doubling of the number of cancer patients these days. 

 

[Dario_M]

3 hours ago, Calm said:

The Internet has made gathering stats and reports much easier.  Reporting practices have changed as well.

Okay true. But it still doesn't fully explain how we have a doubling of the number of cancer patients. 

3 hours ago, Calm said:

Not all cancer is fatal in the sense it kills the person.  Some is slow growing enough the person may die from old age before it’s gets bad enough to be a problem (though some slow growing metastasize, so dangerous) or they don’t metastasize for some reason.

Yeah, but every malignant cancer type will metastasize sooner or later. Maybe it will take a while depending on the type of cancer that isn't that aggresive. But if you wait to long it will happen eventually. First it spread to the lymph nodes. And after that it will metastasize to other organs *** well. 

[Dario_M]

1 hour ago, Peacefully said:

I’m so sorry that happened to you.

Thank you that is so kind of you. ❤️

1 hour ago, Peacefully said:

I suffered some abuse as a child but it wasn’t daily and it wasn’t from my parents. I just think it is so unfair for children who suffer daily at the hands of their caregivers. 

I'm so sorry for you as well. 🫂 And it's true, no single child should undergo any form of abuse from nobody. Not the caregivers or anyone else. And it is really unfair indeed. Because a child is so vulnerable. Both psysically and mentally. Adults are just psysically stronger so if they hit a child it's immediately an unfair power game. Plus the child will get scared for the adult as well. Plus the child will also develop emotional damage.  

[Peacefully]

6 hours ago, Dario_M said:

Thank you that is so kind of you. ❤️

I'm so sorry for you as well. 🫂 And it's true, no single child should undergo any form of abuse from nobody. Not the caregivers or anyone else. And it is really unfair indeed. Because a child is so vulnerable. Both psysically and mentally. Adults are just psysically stronger so if they hit a child it's immediately an unfair power game. Plus the child will get scared for the adult as well. Plus the child will also develop emotional damage.  

You are so right. It is just so sad. 

[Dario_M]

10 hours ago, Peacefully said:

You are so right. It is just so sad. 

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[Stargazer]

On 12/20/2024 at 3:04 PM, nuclearfuels said:

Agreed with you on all points except this one.

Advocating for the return of the inspired practice, first via SCOTUS then later via Inspiration

The last thing I want on this earth is plural marriage (to give it its proper name). Or, at least, the last thing I want for me in this life is plural marriage. My wife suffices me, thank you very much. Fortunately I'm too ancient to be asked to participate in it here in mortality. 

In eternity, however, all bets are off.

In my humble opinion.

[nuclearfuels]

On 1/10/2025 at 8:47 PM, Stargazer said:

In eternity, however, all bets are off

*In mortality, in the last days, the restitution of all things, all bets are also off.