The clock goes back one hour.

[Dario_M]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

It is what I do.  

Yeah i know. And on the time you are late up in Utah then it's morning time here where i'm at. You can't sleep often times. But i don't have this very frequently. 

Edited March 11, 2025 by Dario_M

[Stargazer]

On 10/27/2024 at 12:23 AM, Calm said:

Why do calendars start on Sunday?  Is Sunday the first or last day of the week?

Alexa is telling me both Mondays and Sundays are the first day of the week.

There's been a lot of debate about that over the years. Monday is the first day of the week according to the international standard ISO 8601, but in the US, Canada, and Japan, it's counted as the second day of the week.

I try to buy my wall calendars with Sunday being the first day of the week. But messed up this year and the calendar I got has Monday as the first day. That is highly annoying. But I live in a country that uses the ISO 8601.

[The Nehor]

[Stargazer]

On 3/13/2025 at 5:04 PM, The Nehor said:

This made me think of the idiotic premise of that film Star Trek Generations. Soran shoots a rocket into the Veridian star and this kills its fusion. The star then blows up. This somehow causes the Nexus ribbon to change course to pass through Veridian III where it can intercept Soran and put him back where he thinks he belongs. It was a fun film in some ways, but it was difficult to suspend disbelief on the astrophysics. A few pounds of some mystery material can poison thermonuclear fusion? What rubbish. And if the fusion did stop, the immediate gravitational collapse of the solar atmosphere would start it up again. The film seems to portray the explosion as a supernova. The Veridian star has habitable planets. Thus it cannot have the minimum mass needed for a core-collapse supernova, which is about 8 solar masses. Such a star would be too active to permit life to evolve on any planet. Even if the rocket's material did cause fusion to cease, this does not reduce the mass of the star, and would not modify its gravity in order to achieve a deviation in the path of the Nexus string. So Soran's previous activities modifying the Nexus' path to Veridian were also useless. 

 

[Dario_M]

I thought that in the United States the first day of the week was monday. Like in every western civilization. 

Edited March 15, 2025 by Dario_M

[Calm]

1 hour ago, Dario_M said:

I thought that in the United States the first day of the week was monday. Like in every western civilization. 

Of the work week.  And Sunday is part of the weekend…but calendars often have Sunday as first day.

Consistency is not an American thing.

[Dario_M]

2 hours ago, Calm said:

Of the work week.  And Sunday is part of the weekend…but calendars often have Sunday as first day.

Aawh. So for a work week the monday is the first day of the week. But on paper then it is the sunday that is actually the first day... okay clear. 😌

2 hours ago, Calm said:

Consistency is not an American thing.

Is that so? I thought that American citizens where quite consistent in their ways if i may be honest. I'm supprised to read differently.

Btw...what i do know about the United States is that you guys have quite some strict rules and laws. And long jail times when you commit a crime. Here we don't have such strict punishments. Jail time here is shorter. 

Edited March 15, 2025 by Dario_M

[webbles]

6 hours ago, Dario_M said:

I thought that in the United States the first day of the week was monday. Like in every western civilization. 

Most countries in the Americas start the week with Sunday.  This site has a picture of the countries that start with Sunday vs those that start on Monday - https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/days/first-day-of-the-week.html

Both the Islamic and Jewish calendars have Sunday as the first day.  And traditional Christian calendars also have Sunday as the first day.  There's some languages where the days of the week force Sunday to be the first one; for example Portuguese call Monday "Segunda-Feira" which translates to "Second resting day" because it is the second day of the week.

[Dario_M]

2 hours ago, webbles said:

Most countries in the Americas start the week with Sunday.  This site has a picture of the countries that start with Sunday vs those that start on Monday - https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/days/first-day-of-the-week.html

Both the Islamic and Jewish calendars have Sunday as the first day.  And traditional Christian calendars also have Sunday as the first day.  There's some languages where the days of the week force Sunday to be the first one; for example Portuguese call Monday "Segunda-Feira" which translates to "Second resting day" because it is the second day of the week.

How interesting. Thank you. In the Netherlands we start the day on monday. 

[InCognitus]

As far as I can tell, daylight saving started during the time of Hezekiah:

 "And this shall be a sign unto thee from the Lord, that the Lord will do this thing that he hath spoken;  Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down."  (Isaiah 38:7–8)

That verse is also an indication to me that mortal humans shouldn't mess with their clocks, only God should do that.

For modern times, I would word the verse like this:  "And this shall be a sign unto thee from the Lord, that he that moveth his own dial backward is fooling himself unto the reckoning of his own time and it is a folly unto him, for the sun remaineth in its path and reckoning of time which I the Lord have set.  And he that moveth his dial backward shall receive a stupor of thought for seven days thereafter, and he shall know that it is not right".

Edited March 15, 2025 by InCognitus

[Dario_M]

1 hour ago, InCognitus said:

As far as I can tell, daylight saving started during the time of Hezekiah:

 "And this shall be a sign unto thee from the Lord, that the Lord will do this thing that he hath spoken;  Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down."  (Isaiah 38:7–8)

Oh my... that's so interesting to know.

1 hour ago, InCognitus said:

That verse is also an indication to me that mortal humans shouldn't mess with their clocks, only God should do that.

Yes true. God should be in charge of the time. 

1 hour ago, InCognitus said:

For modern times, I would word the verse like this:  "And this shall be a sign unto thee from the Lord, that he that moveth his own dial backward is fooling himself unto the reckoning of his own time and it is a folly unto him, for the sun remaineth in its path and reckoning of time which I the Lord have set.  And he that moveth his dial backward shall receive a stupor of thought for seven days thereafter, and he shall know that it is not right".

Amen to that. 🙏

[Chum]

1 hour ago, Dario_M said:

2 hours ago, InCognitus said:

That verse is also an indication to me that mortal humans shouldn't mess with their clocks, only God should do that.

Yes true. God should be in charge of the time. 

If there is consensus that God should decide what time is midday, the argument will be over which God should decide. Christian sects divide along their Standard God and Daylight Savings God.

I'm just sayin. You know how we pious people can be. I'll get behind Standard God now so I get a good seat.

Edited March 15, 2025 by Chum

[Dario_M]

32 minutes ago, Chum said:

I'm just sayin. You know how we pious people can be. I'll get behind Standard God now so I get a good seat.

What do you mean? 

[Chum]

13 minutes ago, Dario_M said:

What do you mean? 

I mean believers have a history of pinning our behaviors to what (we say) God wants. So if everyone decides God defines the time and I want Standard Time, then I'll say God wants Standard Time.

edit: I don't believe you act that way however. If I learned that you turned out to be the most trustworthy person on the internet, I wouldn't be surprised.

Edited March 15, 2025 by Chum

[Stargazer]

12 minutes ago, Dario_M said:

What do you mean? 

Ignore him. He's joking around.  

[Calm]

6 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

Ignore him. He's joking around.  

That’s when you should be paying the most attention!

[InCognitus]

1 hour ago, Chum said:

If there is consensus that God should decide what time is midday, the argument will be over which God should decide. Christian sects divide along their Standard God and Daylight Savings God.

I'm just sayin. You know how we pious people can be. I'll get behind Standard God now so I get a good seat.

Well, the consensus would obviously be Arizona time.  Arizona has been faithful and diligent in not changing their clocks for many years now, and blessings come to the obedient.

[The Nehor]

4 minutes ago, InCognitus said:

Well, the consensus would obviously be Arizona time.  Arizona has been faithful and diligent in not changing their clocks for many years now, and blessings come to the obedient.

Yes, the blessed of Arizona.

 

[teddyaware]

41 minutes ago, InCognitus said:

Well, the consensus would obviously be Arizona time.  Arizona has been faithful and diligent in not changing their clocks for many years now, and blessings come to the obedient.

From May 1st to September 30th, there are 153 days.  I’ve never been able to understand why missing out on 153 hours of prolonged summer sunlight isn’t considered a big plus? And what possible advantage is it to have the sunrise at 4:30 AM when most everybody will still be fast asleep for another 2-1/2 hours? I can understand why the denizens of the scorching desert southwest would consider it a boom to lose an hour of sunlight at the end of the day,  after all during the blistering summer months sunlight is their implacable enemy. But what possible advantage is it to loose an hour of sunlight at the end of the day for those of us who live in areas where the late afternoons of summer are so very pleasurable and even magical? And I bet if the kids on summer vacation were told they’ll be losing an hour of blessed sunlight at the end of each summer day hardly any of them would think it’s a good idea.

It seems ton me that most of those who are doing the complaining about an extra hour of sunlight at the end of the day in summer are cranky old farts who no longer enjoy activities in the great outdoors. A prediction: If we go to yearly Standard Time there will be millions of complaints from irate summer lovers who enjoy outdoor sports, recreation and activities, and as a consequence the ill conceived experiment with Standard will last only one year until the outrage becomes too overwhelming to ignore. And don’t tell me that there won’t actually be an extra hour of sunlight at the end of the day because all those who work for a living will be losing an hour of after work sunlight.

[InCognitus]

1 hour ago, teddyaware said:

From May 1st to September 30th, there are 153 days.  I’ve never been able to understand why missing out on 153 hours of prolonged summer sunlight isn’t considered a big plus? And what possible advantage is it to have the sunrise at 4:30 AM when most everybody will still be fast asleep for another 2-1/2 hours? I can understand why the denizens of the scorching desert southwest would consider it a boom to lose an hour of sunlight at the end of the day,  after all during the blistering summer months sunlight is their implacable enemy. But what possible advantage is it to loose an hour of sunlight at the end of the day for those of us who live in areas where the late afternoons of summer are so very pleasurable and even magical? And I bet if the kids on summer vacation were told they’ll be losing an hour of blessed sunlight at the end of each summer day hardly any of them would think it’s a good idea.

It seems ton me that most of those who are doing the complaining about an extra hour of sunlight at the end of the day in summer are cranky old farts who no longer enjoy activities in the great outdoors. A prediction: If we go to yearly Standard Time there will be millions of complaints from irate summer lovers who enjoy outdoor sports, recreation and activities, and as a consequence the ill conceived experiment with Standard will last only one year until the outrage becomes too overwhelming to ignore. And don’t tell me that there won’t actually be an extra hour of sunlight at the end of the day because all those who work for a living will be losing an hour of after work sunlight.

It's simple:  GET UP AN HOUR EARLIER and take advantage of the morning light.  It's no different than trying to make everyone think it's not really an hour earlier by making everyone change their clocks!   

[Emily]

4 hours ago, InCognitus said:

It's simple:  GET UP AN HOUR EARLIER and take advantage of the morning light.  It's no different than trying to make everyone think it's not really an hour earlier by making everyone change their clocks! 

So what you are saying is, all these people who insist on keeping daylight savings time are foisting their personal game of "let's make-believe" on the rest of the nation, just so they can get an extra hour of sun, without having to force themselves to get up an hour earlier on their own?

Man, and I thought I was perhaps being too indulgent letting the kids set an extra plate for their stuffed animals at snack time just so they could ask for an extra cookie.

☀️=🍪= 😕

[Chum]

I was a far Daylight-winger until DST unwound my progress against insomnia.

It's not just losing the hour. DST is turning out to be disruptive in ways I can feel but don't really understand yet.

I had been tapering-off of mind altering substances but that's off the table for now. Consider me a freshly minted Standard Time shill.

Edited March 16, 2025 by Chum

[blackstrap]

I wonder if the time when one moves the clock has anything to do with the level of disruption to one's life that the change has ? 

A. Saturday before bed

B. Sunday at 2 am 

C. Sunday upon waking up.

D Other 

[Dario_M]

9 hours ago, Chum said:

edit: I don't believe you act that way however. If I learned that you turned out to be the most trustworthy person on the internet, I wouldn't be surprised.

No i'm not like that indeed. Btw...thank you. 🫂 

Edited March 16, 2025 by Dario_M

[Dario_M]

9 hours ago, Stargazer said:

Ignore him. He's joking around.  

🤪