Are some of the boards banned by new users?

[SteelMagnoliainTexas]

I have a question about ya'lls church.  Where in the Bible anywhere does it say that the church would be non existant after the death of the apostles?  I wonder why would God choose twelve apostles, then send them into the world if it all was just going to crumble 2,000 years later.  It doesn't make sense.  Why do I not see this in the Bible.  Where do I need to go in the Bible?  Because I can't find it anywhere.

 

Jessica

[SteelMagnoliainTexas]

Last question:  Why do ya'll start a message board, then ban new users or not allow discussion about ya'lls church and it's doctrines/ beliefs.  Then not allow new users access to all the important boards?

[strappinglad]

According to the guidelines, new members need to make 25 posts before they can start a discussion in the General forum. Most new members use the Social forum to post in. You are NOT banned ( unless it says so on your avatar ) . Ya'll take care now !!

[strappinglad]

Here is one verse that suggests there will be troubles. Acts 20: 29

 

We have had our share of drive by trolls, so the 25 post requirement is a way of filtering those out a bit. 

Edited April 25, 2022 by strappinglad

[Robert F. Smith]

43 minutes ago, strappinglad said:

.................We have had our share of drive by trolls, so the 25 post requirement is a way of filtering those out a bit. 

It also learns them how to use the board.

[bluebell]

1 hour ago, SteelMagnoliainTexas said:

I have a question about ya'lls church.  Where in the Bible anywhere does it say that the church would be non existant after the death of the apostles?     Where do I need to go in the Bible?  Because I can't find it anywhere.

 

Jessica

Debate isn't allowed in the social forum, so I encourage you to ask this in the main forum after you've hit your 25 posts.

But until then, from my perspective there are different places in the bible where it talks about this.  Matthew 13.  Matthew 21.  Luke 20.  Daniel 7.  Matthew 16.  2 Timothy 4.  Acts 20.  Galatians 4.  2 Corinthians 1.  Acts 3.2 Thessalonians 2.  Amos 3.

And a handful of other places.

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I wonder why would God choose twelve apostles, then send them into the world if it all was just going to crumble 2,000 years later.  It doesn't make sense.

Agency.  

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Why do I not see this in the Bible.

I don't know.

[Chum]

Just now, bluebell said:

Debate isn't allowed in the social forum

I didn't know this. I just figured everything there was above debate.

[JAHS]

A few Old Testament prophets predicted it:

Isaiah 24:5–6
5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

Amos 8: 11-12
11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:
12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.

From the New Testament:
Acts 20:29–30
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

2 Thessalonians 2:1–4
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

 2 Timothy 4:3–4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2 Peter 2:1–3
1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.|
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

[Robert F. Smith]

On 4/25/2022 at 3:23 PM, SteelMagnoliainTexas said:

I have a question about ya'lls church.  Where in the Bible anywhere does it say that the church would be non existant after the death of the apostles?  I wonder why would God choose twelve apostles, then send them into the world if it all was just going to crumble 2,000 years later.  It doesn't make sense.  Why do I not see this in the Bible.  Where do I need to go in the Bible?  Because I can't find it anywhere.

 

Jessica

Hi Jessica.  The primary message of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is that priesthood authority was lost due to apostasy in the young Christian Church and that the authentic priesthood of God had to be restored.  Latter-day Saints have tremendous respect for their fellow Christians who have tried hard for the past 2,000 years to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  Some of that has entailed the careful copying and transmission of the Holy Bible, for which Latter-day Saints are deeply grateful.

An important part of that Restoration (which had long been sought by the Puritans and by the restorationist Churches of Christ [Stone-Campbell]) was to bring back the primitive early Christian Church.  The message of Joseph Smith Jr was that this required restoration of prophecy and of an actual body of Twelve Apostles, as in times past.  A very good account of the great apostasy of the early Christian Church is available in Hugh Nibley, "The Passing of the Church: Forty Variations on an Unpopular Theme," https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/byusq/vol16/iss1/13/

The  notion that God could establish His covenant people, and that they would then never backslide does not accord with the Bible itself.  For God's chosen people have repeatedly backslid and apostatized:  Moses came down from Mt Sinai to find the Israelites cavorting and worshiping the Golden Calf.  God sent his chosen people into exile several times (to Assyria, to Babylon, and finally expelled the Jews from the Holy Land into their 2,000 year exile, which has only now ended -- which is a sign of the Latter-days). 

Edited April 27, 2022 by Robert F. Smith

[Calm]

2 hours ago, SteelMagnoliainTexas said:

Last question:  Why do ya'll start a message board, then ban new users or not allow discussion about ya'lls church and it's doctrines/ beliefs.  Then not allow new users access to all the important boards?

It prevents most of the spam we used to get.

[SteelMagnoliainTexas]

I meant 30 years.  If God knew the apostles or original disciples would die in 30 years or so it seems like useless to start the church then, at that time.  

[ksfisher]

14 hours ago, SteelMagnoliainTexas said:

I meant 30 years.  If God knew the apostles or original disciples would die in 30 years or so it seems like useless to start the church then, at that time.  

Not useless for the people who believed and were converted.

[bluebell]

15 hours ago, SteelMagnoliainTexas said:

I meant 30 years.  If God knew the apostles or original disciples would die in 30 years or so it seems like useless to start the church then, at that time.  

I don't think so.  On a general principle, failure is hardly ever useless.  But more specifically on this, much good has come from Christianity during this period, even after the apostles were all gone.  

[Chum]

47 minutes ago, bluebell said:

On a general principle, failure is hardly ever useless.

On GP: Failure is awesome. An evergiving source of best things.

Edited April 26, 2022 by Chum
edit: am also a shill for failure

[pogi]

On 4/25/2022 at 3:23 PM, SteelMagnoliainTexas said:

I have a question about ya'lls church.  Where in the Bible anywhere does it say that the church would be non existant after the death of the apostles?  I wonder why would God choose twelve apostles, then send them into the world if it all was just going to crumble 2,000 years later.  It doesn't make sense.  Why do I not see this in the Bible.  Where do I need to go in the Bible?  Because I can't find it anywhere.

 

Jessica

I am guessing you are a Southern sola-scriptorium Protestant of some sort? 

My question is this, if there wasn’t an apostasy of the church, then why aren’t you Catholic?

Bible writings = pre apostasy.  Why would the apostasy then be in the Bible?  There certainly are some passages that prophecy about it though.

 

Edited April 29, 2022 by pogi

[Orthodox Christian]

On 4/25/2022 at 10:26 PM, SteelMagnoliainTexas said:

Last question:  Why do ya'll start a message board, then ban new users or not allow discussion about ya'lls church and it's doctrines/ beliefs.  Then not allow new users access to all the important boards?

Seems to be a wise move. It allows users to get a feel for someone and newbies to do the same, and then they can decide whether to stay or not.

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

On 4/25/2022 at 5:23 PM, SteelMagnoliainTexas said:

I have a question about ya'lls church.  Where in the Bible anywhere does it say that the church would be non existant after the death of the apostles?  I wonder why would God choose twelve apostles, then send them into the world if it all was just going to crumble 2,000 years later.  It doesn't make sense.  Why do I not see this in the Bible.  Where do I need to go in the Bible?  Because I can't find it anywhere.

 

Jessica

Not sure how to address this post. You never seem to go back, and read the replies to your comments, or acknowledge any opinion other than your own. There is so much to be learned during discourse with others, a practice or policy, I highly recommend. The entire purpose for this website is for discussion, with those of our own Faith, with those who have left our Faith, with those who are members of other Faith’s, or even those of no Faith. Also, if on April 25, when you posted this thread, unless your thread count was 25+, this is why you could not post in other forums. Also, when and if you post on other forums, try to remember that you are (as we all are) “guest”, and as such be respectful. Up until now, you seem to just drop in, drop a bomb, and say no more. This behavior is usually the trait of those known as “Internet Trolls”. This meaning those who don’t wish to engage in real discussion or debate, but who just to pop in, throw 💣, and say things that can be viewed as unkind, just observe the fallout. So please, be kind, be responsive, and be available, to those who take the time to read and respond to your, questions and comments. 

[Ranch2727]

I’m new here and will do my best not to upset anyone but I hope all insights are welcome, not just those that agree with the main group. 
      It’s interesting that the LDS church has the stance of the Bible is true only if it’s translated correctly. During this discussion there were a great deal of things taken out of the Bible to make your points. We’re they used because you thought it made your points? Honestly that’s one of my biggest question that’s yet to be answered.  If the Bible disagrees with your teachings it’s wrong? So how do we know what’s been translated correctly and what’s not?  

 

[JAHS]

10 minutes ago, Ranch2727 said:

I’m new here and will do my best not to upset anyone but I hope all insights are welcome, not just those that agree with the main group. 
      It’s interesting that the LDS church has the stance of the Bible is true only if it’s translated correctly. During this discussion there were a great deal of things taken out of the Bible to make your points. We’re they used because you thought it made your points? Honestly that’s one of my biggest question that’s yet to be answered.  If the Bible disagrees with your teachings it’s wrong? So how do we know what’s been translated correctly and what’s not?  

 

A lot of it depends on what our latter-day prophets teach us regarding the gospel and how the Bible should be interpreted. 

Here are a few confusing scriptures from the Bible:

MAT 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
LUK 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

To whom was the Father speaking?

MAR 6:8 And commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in their purse:
LUK 9:3 And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves(plural of staff), nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece.

Should they take a staff or not?

MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
LUK 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

When did they buy the spices, before or after the Sabbath?

John 15:15
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
John 16:12
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Did Christ tell the Apostles all He knew or not? Perhaps He didn't and He is telling us more now through our latter-day prophets

Matthew.27:5 And he [Judas] cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
Acts 1:18 Now this man [Judas] purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

How did Judas die?

Hebrews 6:1 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection."

Did Paul really want us to leave the principles of the doctrine of Christ? How can a man be saved without those principles?

There are many more contradictions in the Bible like this, which is why it is helpful to have prophets teach us what is correct doctrine and why the Book of Mormon is also helpful.

 

[Ranch2727]

Thanks for all that, so your latter day prophet will tell you which parts to use?  Interesting insight but the Bible teaches us to go to him for answers. One can always find truth if they are seeking it.  Maybe God gave us all we needed to know and we are to trust him. Maybe he gave us just enough to be saved.  I appreciate all of the scriptures you mentioned but I don’t think if I don’t understand them I’m doomed.  His gift of grace is sufficient for me to follow his teachings the best I can. Not sure you answered my question, I was asking if anyone can tell me which ones are not translated correctly.

[JAHS]

37 minutes ago, Ranch2727 said:

Thanks for all that, so your latter day prophet will tell you which parts to use?  Interesting insight but the Bible teaches us to go to him for answers. One can always find truth if they are seeking it.  Maybe God gave us all we needed to know and we are to trust him. Maybe he gave us just enough to be saved.  I appreciate all of the scriptures you mentioned but I don’t think if I don’t understand them I’m doomed.  His gift of grace is sufficient for me to follow his teachings the best I can. Not sure you answered my question, I was asking if anyone can tell me which ones are not translated correctly.

That would take too long. Joseph Smith made his own translation of the Bible and included many corrections as he did that. Some corrections are included in the Pearl of Great Price.

The Book of Moses
Joseph Smith - Matthew
About the Joseph Smith Translation
Joseph Smith translation of the Bible

Our current doctrines don't contradict what is said in the Bible(depending on how you interpret it) but a lot of additions have been made because of latter-day revelation.

Edited July 17, 2022 by JAHS

[JAHS]

37 minutes ago, JAHS said:

Not sure you answered my question, I was asking if anyone can tell me which ones are not translated correctly.

Here is one example I mentioned earlier

Hebrews 6:1 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection."
JST Heb 6:1 Therefore, not leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

[Ranch2727]

Well I appreciate you pointing those things out, I guess the difference here is I trust The Word which is God more than the LDS prophets.  However whoever made this platform to chat is great and it’s nice to see different thoughts without a big argument. Have a great night!!!

[Calm]

2 hours ago, Ranch2727 said:

The Word which is God

If you mean Jesus, so do we as we are to pray and seek a spiritual witness for what is truth even if from the prophet,

 If you mean the Bible is the Word, then can you explain how the Bible is God?

Do you believe the Bible is without error?  Or that it will inspire without error only if one is seeking truth?

(these are serious questions, I want to know how you think about the Bible, I am not trying to debate your beliefs)

Edited July 17, 2022 by Calm

[Ranch2727]

No God is not the bible but the bible is Gods word. 
john 1:1 in the beginning was the word and the was with God and the word was God. 
I’m sure there’s errors in the bible just like all things that men have their hands in.  The bible is our guide for salvation, I’m not sure I always understand everything that I read but if one searches they will get answers.  I don’t think we need a prophet on earth to speak to God for us.  We are saved by grace and grace alone.  That’s what the Bible teaches and what a beautiful gift from God.  The Bible is a tool that teaches us to be careful what we buy into.