If you could build a Temple anywhere, where would you and why?

[Calm]

5 hours ago, nuclearfuels said:

t I imagine the First Pres. and Quorum of the Twelve don't want any national governments asking why are you acting like an off-shore bank account for your religious followers

Please clarify why this might occur.  Are there banks that use planes as portable offices?

[nuclearfuels]

On 2/9/2021 at 9:03 PM, Calm said:

Please clarify why this might occur.  Are there banks that use planes as portable offices?

None that I'm aware of.

My point was that the Church prefers (and insists?) on getting explicit government approval before sending in missionaries and building Temples. So having fly-by and sail-by ordinances might not fit their existing model and precedent

[nuclearfuels]

On 2/8/2021 at 11:22 PM, strappinglad said:

Jerusalem,

BYU Jerusalem Center, IMHO

A Temple waiting in the wings, all it needs is a dedicatory prayer. 

Again, IMHO only

[nuclearfuels]

On 2/9/2021 at 12:30 AM, JLHPROF said:

Temple Lot, Independence, Jackson County, Missouri.

I heard, 100 years ago while serving a mission, that Adam ondi Ahman in Missouri is an existing outdoor Temple

[nuclearfuels]

On 2/9/2021 at 4:33 PM, Amulek said:

I may have shared this before, but when my parents joined the church they were friends with an architect who worked for the church and reported that the church had already developed plans for single-ordinance temples. This would have been about 40+ years ago now, well before the most recent 'mini-temple' construction phase came about.

 

THat's awesome.

Think those drawings were what became mini-Temples

[nuclearfuels]

On 2/9/2021 at 3:56 PM, Tacenda said:

Build temples in ourselves, we are temples of God. Or not. 

Truth

[nuclearfuels]

On 2/9/2021 at 5:48 PM, Fair Dinkum said:

If only for the buffets  

Dude!

Did you make that image?

Nailed it

[Ahab]

Somewhere in outer space, in orbit around this planet or on some other planet, because if our Church leaders built one in some place like that it would be because there would be enough people who were able to go there to do temple work.

[JLHPROF]

2 hours ago, nuclearfuels said:

I heard, 100 years ago while serving a mission, that Adam ondi Ahman in Missouri is an existing outdoor Temple

Having spent some time at Adam-Ondi-Ahman and felt the overwhelming spirit there, I am perfectly happy to believe that is true.
It certainly will be used as one at the Grand Council.

[Kenngo1969]

4 hours ago, nuclearfuels said:

BYU Jerusalem Center, IMHO

A Temple waiting in the wings, all it needs is a dedicatory prayer. 

Again, IMHO only

This is a murky area for me.  As much as I see most all "last days," Second Coming, Millennium topics "through a glass, darkly," this might be the one I see through a glass, most darkly.  I certainly welcome any illumination, but it is my understanding that it is the Jews who will construct the Temple at Jerusalem, yet, somehow, they will do so under the auspices of those who hold authorized Priesthood keys.  (Yes, I know: That seems, in some ways, to be a contradiction to me, too.)  But consider Doctrine and Covenants 13, which says that the Aaronic Priesthood won't be taken from the earth until "the sons of Levi do offer an offering unto the Lord in righteousness."

OK.  Tell me I'm barking mad.  You won't be the first!

Edited February 12, 2021 by Kenngo1969

[Kenngo1969]

1 hour ago, JLHPROF said:

Having spent some time at Adam-Ondi-Ahman and felt the overwhelming spirit there, I am perfectly happy to believe that is true.
It certainly will be used as one at the Grand Council.

The things I've read say that the Grand Council won't be well publicized.  Even most members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints won't know about it.  I've wondered, will someone the Church of Jesus Christ headquarters switchboard regarding an urgent matter, request to speak with the Prophet, and be told he's not available; whereupon he will say, "Oh, that's OK.  I understand he's busy.  A member of the Twelve will do."  Whereupon the caller will be told, "Oh, I'm sorry.  None of the Twelve are available, either"; whereupon he will say, "Okay, a member of the Presidency of the Seventy will do."  Whereupon the caller will be told that none of them are available, either.  Whereupon a wild rumor will start about important goings-on taking place in Missouri.

[nuclearfuels]

22 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said:

the Jews who will construct the Temple at Jerusalem, yet, somehow, they will do so under the auspices of those who hold authorized Priesthood keys. 

THey'll build onto the Jerusalem Center.

No, j/k, I've heard the Jews have each stone already measured, cut, and ready to build their Temple

[Ahab]

On 2/11/2021 at 4:23 PM, Kenngo1969 said:

This is a murky area for me.  As much as I see most all "last days," Second Coming, Millennium topics "through a glass, darkly," this might be the one I see through a glass, most darkly.  I certainly welcome any illumination, but it is my understanding that it is the Jews who will construct the Temple at Jerusalem, yet, somehow, they will do so under the auspices of those who hold authorized Priesthood keys.  (Yes, I know: That seems, in some ways, to be a contradiction to me, too.)  But consider Doctrine and Covenants 13, which says that the Aaronic Priesthood won't be taken from the earth until "the sons of Levi do offer an offering unto the Lord in righteousness."

OK.  Tell me I'm barking mad.  You won't be the first!

Behold, the power of Google:  https://bookofmormonstudynotes.blog/2019/02/26/what-offering-will-the-sons-of-levi-make-in-righteousness/#:~:text=Behold%2C the great day of,Lord an offering in righteousness.&text=And our offering to the,we do on their behalf.

In September, 1832, the Lord promised Joseph Smith, “The sons of Moses and also the sons of Aaron shall offer an acceptable offering and sacrifice in the house of the Lord, which house shall be built unto the Lord in this generation.” Who were these sons of Moses and Aaron? The Lord went on to clarify:

the sons of Moses and of Aaron shall be filled with the glory of the Lord, upon Mount Zion in the Lord’s house, whose sons are ye; and also many whom I have called and sent forth to build up my church.
For whoso is faithful unto the obtaining these two priesthoods of which I have spoken, and the magnifying their calling, are sanctified by the Spirit unto the renewing of their bodies. They become the sons of Moses and of Aaron and the seed of Abraham, and the church and kingdom, and the elect of God (Doctrine and Covenants 84:31-34, italics added).

So by participating worthily in the ordinances of the priesthood, we are adopted into the family of Moses and Aaron (and therefore of Levi) and are able to offer an acceptable offering in the house of the Lord.

 

[Kenngo1969]

1 hour ago, nuclearfuels said:

THey'll build onto the Jerusalem Center.

No, j/k, I've heard the Jews have each stone already measured, cut, and ready to build their Temple

Seriously?  Hmm.  That's interesting.  Do you have a source (just curious)?

[longview]

20 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said:

1 hour ago, nuclearfuels said:

THey'll build onto the Jerusalem Center.

No, j/k, I've heard the Jews have each stone already measured, cut, and ready to build their Temple

Seriously?  Hmm.  That's interesting.  Do you have a source (just curious)?

The Temple Mount construction will have to be positioned and structured in such a way as to fulfill prophecies having to do with the waters gushing forth from under the porch and streaming through a newly created valley (caused by the split of Mount of Olives, one half moving to the north, the other to the south).  This water will be voluminous enough as to flush out (refresh) the Dead Sea.

[Judd]

On 2/9/2021 at 2:31 AM, Kenngo1969 said:

None of what follows is meant to contend with you: You're one of my favorite posters on the Board, and if I have a choice between contending over a trifle or preserving brotherhood, I'll strive to preserve brotherhood every time.   This is an honest question: What would need to be relocated?  In recent months, Dan Peterson has been posting draft excerpts from his forthcoming and eagerly-awaited revision of Abraham Divided: a Latter-day Saint Perspective on the Middle East.  When the prospect of constructing a Temple on the Temple Mount came up, I pointed out that according to one source I have read (David J. Ridges, 65 Signs of the Times Leading up to the Second Coming, Springville UT: CFI (2009)) there is no scripture that says that the Temple at Jerusalem must be built precisely on the site that the Dome of the Rock occupies currently, and Brother Ridges says there is plenty of room for both.

Now, granted, the "take-no-prisoners" and "give-no-quarter" attitudes among the most militant of Jews who would love nothing better than to use the construction of the temple as an excuse to pulverize the Dome of the Rock, combined with corresponding attitudes of the militants on the other side of the question, who would gladly see every Jew wiped off of the face of the earth before they would see a Jewish Temple built anywhere near the Dome of the Rock, would have to be overcome first.  Certainly, that is, to put it mildly, no easy feat.  But Brother Peterson pointed out that Brother Ridges is right: Since the Temple Mount is 40 acres in size, there is plenty of room for both.

Now, who do you suppose might be excellent candidates for mediating any disputes between Jews and Muslims about a Jewish Temple being constructed on the Temple Mount, in the relative vicinity of the Dome of the Rock?  I don't know how this would come about, if at all, but I do know that the Lord works in mysterious ways.  And given the relationships that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints had to forge and has had to continue to nurture over the years both to construct and to maintain the BYU Jerusalem Center (relationships with both Jews and Muslims), personally, I would nominate one or more members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for that delicate task.

Just sayin'!  

I’ve gotten more liberal in my interpretation of this prophecy over time. Not because I don’t believe that it could happen, but because I think it’s possible we’re looking at this too narrowly and maybe missing the mark. (Not necessarily suggesting this is my complete belief, but more that I’m open to this particular interpretation). But I’d have to go back and see the wording of the actual prophecy about the temple being rebuilt. I think that can refer to a literal structure, but what’s more important isn’t the actual tangible building or location, but the larger eternal significance. In Christ’s day, the temple seemed to be rebuilt more from a secular/political undertaking (relative to how we envision temples being built today under the direction of those with keys and authority). And though the temple was the center of worship at that time, you can certainly argue that this was the Lord’s house inasmuch as it was the focus of people’s faith, rather than it was God at the head of the organization in whose hands the temple belong from a worldly view. From this perspective, the temple being “rebuilt” may have even more meaning and symbolism as a temple restoration happening under divine direction, and endowed with authority to carry out the ordinances that connect one to eternity, so that the temple could actually fulfill its eternal purpose. So, from that view, this prophecy could have started to be fulfilled at the coming of Elijah, and is fulfilled today with the original purpose of the temple not just being on earth, but many places. 
 

Then, too, there could be an alternative view that perhaps when he said the temple would be rebuilt, that it certainly could be literally done there and may not be a temple in the sense we see it now, but more something that’s a symbol of people unifying their faith for a sacred purpose. 

[Stargazer]

On 2/9/2021 at 6:14 PM, Amulek said:

Probably Mars. Or maybe an exoplanet like Proxima b.

Someone should send the missionaries to visit Elon Musk, then.

On 2/9/2021 at 6:14 PM, Amulek said:

You know, because who wouldn't want to live in a world where interstellar travel was a real thing.  

 

That's really pushing it. The problem with interstellar travel in the real world is that it can't be achieved with chemically-fueled rockets. Such propulsion methods can only get vehicles up to a certain speed, and then that's it because no more fuel. Unless one adds a few more mph via gravitational assist, and that only works until one uses the last planet. Both Voyager probes used gravity assists (V1 used Jupiter and Saturn; V2 used all four gas giants) to ramp up their speeds, but the fastest of the two (V1 at 38,026 mph) would still take nearly 74,000 years to reach Proxima b, assuming it were pointed there, which it isn't. At that speed you'd need a generation ship to get any humans to Proxima, and how long could such a ship last anyway without life-support systems breaking down and killing everyone? What kind of power generation system could last 74K years? There ain't any. There is talk about using ion thrusters to get to Proxima, but such engines still require propulsion mass -- matter that is thrown backwards to generate forward thrust. And that gets used up over time, and still requires electric energy. 

And hyperspace is a dream within a dream.

It's so sad. I dream of interstellar travel, but in the real world? Nuts.

 

[Stargazer]

On 2/9/2021 at 3:38 AM, nuclearfuels said:

 

And for good measure, I'd add a Temple on a large ship.

 

That's a brilliant idea, actually. When you consider ancient history, the Israelites did have a movable temple: the Tabernacle. So there's precedent!

[Stargazer]

On 2/9/2021 at 8:34 PM, JustAnAustralian said:

I've seen starship troopers, are we sure we want to risk it?

Yeah, no. That film sucks. Paul Verhoeven should be permanently banned from making films after that debacle.

[Stargazer]

On 2/9/2021 at 9:18 PM, maj said:

Wales, because I'm biased!

Plenty of beautiful places for one in Wales, that's for sure!

[Stargazer]

On 2/10/2021 at 2:03 AM, Calm said:

Please clarify why this might occur.  Are there banks that use planes as portable offices?

Interesting thought, and I don't know if any banks do that, but it wouldn't be hard. The US President flies around in Air Force One, and it is effectively a portable White House, especially with all the communications gear. 

[Stargazer]

On 2/11/2021 at 11:07 PM, JLHPROF said:

Having spent some time at Adam-Ondi-Ahman and felt the overwhelming spirit there, I am perfectly happy to believe that is true.
It certainly will be used as one at the Grand Council.

Long time ago I planned out and wrote parts of a novel that involved that place. The principal character of the novel passed near there at the time of the Grand Council, and watched as the then president of the Church arrived on an airplane from SLC to be present at the meeting.  I was imagining Boyd K. Packer as that president.  

[Stargazer]

13 hours ago, nuclearfuels said:

THey'll build onto the Jerusalem Center.

No, j/k, I've heard the Jews have each stone already measured, cut, and ready to build their Temple

That's what Cleon Skousen has said. And further, that they've been training cohens to do the sacrifices.

[maj]

On 2/9/2021 at 8:27 PM, nuclearfuels said:

What would you think about a mini-Temple (no font, only Sealing and Endowment rooms) on a plane?

They could make a film of this endeavour...

"Saints On a Plane"

Could get Samuel L Jackson on board!

[Judd]

1 hour ago, maj said:

They could make a film of this endeavour...

"Saints On a Plane"

Could get Samuel L Jackson on board!

Does he play Lilburn Boggs?

”I’ve had it with these **** saints on this **** plane!