Update on Story Re: Missing Kids (Daybell)

[Calm]

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/03/judge-removes-himself-from-case-as-one-of-lori-vallow-daybells-attorneys-plans-to-do-the-same/?fbclid=IwAR3OdJrsEpn_i6Dx22Fal8lw5XQd0ZqwjrFFPPSWI8TnoXipOZh9xUXIPEY
 

Judge approved move to May and then disqualified himself without cause. I believe there is one other judge available, but the specific judge to take over was not announced I believe...but video was hard to understand at times. 
 

Apparently her three attorneys cannot not agree on strategy, so two who are at the same firm are withdrawing including the one who argued for bail leaving Mark Means as her sole attorney. It was somewhat strange she had three attorneys to begin with imo, maybe our lawyers could comment on how often two different firms represent someone.  It is a wise money move for Vallow, cost should be much lower now. 
 

It will be interesting to see if a new attempt at bail will occur once the new judge is assigned. I liked this judge, very good at explaining reasoning and highly organized.  I suppose most judges are, but I have never taken enough interest to watch more than news clips before of the real thing.

[Calm]

Also....timing on the video of the storage facility (sometime after 2 pm) suggests Alex Cox may have called after the failed murder attempt (around 9 am AZ time) knowing Brandon Boudreaux had seen him, and told Vallow to hide the tire and seat in case someone came searching his place. Once he got back, the following day he put both back on his jeep.  Vallow might have asked Daybell to help without telling him why, he doesn't seem all  that concerned.  Still, he would have learned of the attempt later.

Does that make him an accessory?  And if so can he still be charged even if the alleged shooter is dead?

Edited March 14, 2020 by Calm

[Calm]

Looks like judge is Michelle Mallard.  An older article for those that interested in what she is like:

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2018/11/newsmakers-encore-judges-dane-watkins-michelle-mallard-explain-our-legal-system/

Edited March 14, 2020 by Calm

[Calm]

Her remaining lawyer, Mark Means issued this statement:

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“As with any citizen of our Country, Mrs. Daybell is entitled to all the privileges and rights that accompany our cornerstone belief of innocents [sic], until proven beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise......It is this innocence that Mrs. Daybell assertively maintains regarding all charges.”

The lawyer said that his client was “guaranteed access to a fair and impartial judicial process,” adding, “There is no room in the process for conjecture, innuendos, and or speculation to alter this Constitutionally guaranteed process.”

https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/lori-vallow-daybell-assertively-maintains-that-shes-innocent-attorney-says/

Impartial judicial system, sure....but is the investigation either public (LE) or private (citizens digging online or elsewhere, getting in suspects' faces pushing for answers) as well as media coverage or just personal opinions of the men and women on the street required or even encouraged to have the same standards?  Seems not in my view because without speculation and suspicions investigations would never get started. As such, the statement seems premature to me unless something is going on behind the scenes we haven't heard about. The only thing I can see as reasonable is possible setting the stage for an argument the bail amount is absurd....but I think a million for refusing to prove her kids are alive and cared for is perfectly appropriate, if unusual.  There is no greater responsibility imo an individual has then that which they have willing taken on when they chose to become a parent (or custodial caregiver) and therefore to ensure the well being of the minors under their care.

 It is also a weird way of proclaiming innocence.  Sounds like 'you can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt I am guilty, so I am innocent'. Nothing emotional like "I would never harm my children, they are safe because I am protecting them from those who would harm them", just 'she is insulted anyone would say that she was anything other than a good mother,' iirc the original statement.  I am wondering if she is simply telling her lawyers 'say what you think sounds good' because it is just above "no comment" in terms of information, is completely focused on her and not the kids, and is very dry and uninvolved it seems to me.

I can imagine her lawyers thinking 'we need to avoid talking about the kids as much as possible and focus solely on her rights and protections as the case is lost as soon as the question "where are the kids" is refused to be answered'.

Edited March 19, 2020 by Calm

[katherine the great]

I just keep wondering if she thinks the coronavirus and the earthquake are signs of God’s displeasure at her being in jail.

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, katherine the great said:

I just keep wondering if she thinks the coronavirus and the earthquake are signs of God’s displeasure at her being in jail.

I would love to hear her explanation if she gets it.

[katherine the great]

4 hours ago, The Nehor said:

I would love to hear her explanation if she gets it.

Can a translated being get a virus?

[Calm]

5 hours ago, katherine the great said:

I just keep wondering if she thinks the coronavirus and the earthquake are signs of God’s displeasure at her being in jail.

And since she believes she is sealed to Moroni and has been his wife in many multiple mortal probations, bet the trumpet thing is getting her attention.

[katherine the great]

1 minute ago, Calm said:

And since she believes she is sealed to Moroni and has been his wife in many multiple mortal probations, bet the trumpet thing is getting her attention.

🤣

[Calm]

News:  the niece, Melani P (notice no "e" at the end to avoid confusing with Melanie Gibb, the friend who podcasted with Vallow, lives in Arizona and was asked to lie by both Vallow and Daybell to police that JJ was with her for the welfare check) is pregnant by her current husband. (This may be why he and his mother were looking very supportive of her in court, imo, as the documents below make it appear he is definitely NOT a believer.)

More documents 'leaking' about the crazy.  Photos on Facebook so not pasting here. 

Edited for more complete photos of document, the other clipped top and bottom:

https://m.facebook.com/jlumfox10/posts/1548096052020073

The most concerning:  JJ and Tylee were said to be possessed and now zombies, which is what preceded Charles Vallow's death.  The original spirits of zombies are in limbo and can't progress until their physical bodies are destroyed.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jlumfox10/status/1240746948962836481?s=20

https://mobile.twitter.com/jlumfox10/status/1240778740990218240

Documents of the current husband of the niece, Melani (Ian P) outlining the beliefs.  He mentions in the crazy linked to above how it sounded like a role playing game based on the Bible to him.  Sex is somehow part of it  (big surprise).  "Stats" include Trust Level, Light/Dark, Libido (1-100), and Vibration (a very common energy healing term, higher the vibration, the more spiritual something is).  A high vibration means you don't have to wear garments any more (possibly to justify Vallow's choice of apparel, I am guessing from older and new photos).

Edited March 20, 2020 by Calm

[katherine the great]

Curiouser and curiouser

[Calm]

31 minutes ago, katherine the great said:

Curiouser and curiouser

That is one very mild way to put it.

Leans towards the dark side of Wonderland...which was a rather paranoid, not that happy of a place btw.  I can see Vallow as a queen of hearts going 'off with their heads' at the least offense.

Not the Disney version, more like the Royal Ballet:

 

Edited March 20, 2020 by Calm

[bsjkki]

2 hours ago, Calm said:

News:  the niece, Melani P (notice no "e" at the end to avoid confusing with Melanie Gibb, the friend who podcasted with Vallow, lives in Arizona and was asked to lie by both Vallow and Daybell to police that JJ was with her for the welfare check) is pregnant by her current husband. (This may be why he and his mother were looking very supportive of her in court, imo, as the documents below make it appear he is definitely NOT a believer.)

More documents 'leaking' about the crazy.  Photos on Facebook so not pasting here. 

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3123274884390626&id=464554720262669&set=pcb.3123279921056789

The most concerning:  JJ and Tylee were said to be possessed and now zombies, which is what preceded Charles Vallow's death.  The original spirits of zombies are in limbo and can't progress until their physical bodies are destroyed.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jlumfox10/status/1240746948962836481?s=20

https://mobile.twitter.com/jlumfox10/status/1240778740990218240

Documents of the current husband of the niece, Melani (Ian P) outlining the beliefs.  He mentions in the crazy linked to above how it sounded like a role playing game based on the Bible to him.  Sex is somehow part of it  (big surprise).  "Stats" include Trust Level, Light/Dark, Libido (1-100), and Vibration (a very common energy healing term, higher the vibration, the more spiritual something is).  A high vibration means you don't have to wear garments any more (possibly to justify Vallow's choice of apparel, I am guessing from older and new photos).

I read the zombie letter. That is crazy. Those poor kids.

[Calm]

1 minute ago, bsjkki said:

I read the zombie letter. That is crazy. Those poor kids.

I have very little hope now of them being alive.  I just am hoping there is a confession or bodies found for closure for the families.

[Tacenda]

5 minutes ago, Calm said:

I have very little hope now of them being alive.  I just am hoping there is a confession or bodies found for closure for the families.

What is sad is the only one alive besides the brother and grandparents of JJ, is that wicked lady and her new husband. The culprits IMO. Not much of the family since she killed off both fathers and an uncle, IMO. 

[Calm]

5 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

What is sad is the only one alive besides the brother and grandparents of JJ, is that wicked lady and her new husband. The culprits IMO. Not much of the family since she killed off both fathers and an uncle, IMO. 

She has a sister, a niece of a deceased sister, another brother, two parents, and possibly other siblings.  There is a lot of Daybell and Douglas family (Tammy's).  Besides Colby Ryan, her son who was adopted by Tylee's dad, there are two (3?) sons of Charles from a previous marriage.  There is quite a bit of family around, most are quiet though.

Edited March 20, 2020 by Calm

[Tacenda]

23 minutes ago, Calm said:

She has a sister, a niece of a deceased sister, another brother, two parents, and possibly other siblings.  There is a lot of Daybell and Douglas family (Tammy's).  Besides Colby Ryan, her son who was adopted by Tylee's dad, there are two (3?) sons of Charles from a previous marriage.  There is quite a bit of family around, most are quiet though.

I knew there had to be more, thanks. And yes to the needed closure. We can wish for them to be alive. That would be one humdinger story to behold. 

[Calm]

Easier to read link that has the clipped tops and bottoms:

https://m.facebook.com/jlumfox10/posts/1548096052020073

With the additional text, while not a believer in Daybell and Vallow, he appears to completely believe his wife and sees her as a fragile victim of Daybell and Vallow, her ex (the one shot at where she is likely one of the suspects), and LE (they have mistreated her over her kids and her testimonies with threats of lying to authorities).  If true, she was manipulated big time by her aunt; if not true, either Melani is a great manipulator or Ian P is trying very, very, very hard to create plausible deniability or distance from the case for himself and his wife (the letter was found by his exwife after he gave her his laptop...intentionally left to be found or just not tech savvy?).  Given how quick the marriage was and his easy blaming of police and other investigators, I am wondering.  Her ex husband had a million dollar life insurance policy on him, iirc.  That could have been very tempting to the new husband.  Just saying it is an option I would include, I don't see him as a believer trying to pretend he is not as there is no sense that he is openminded about the actual beliefs, though he claims he was hoping they were deeper knowledge.

Edited March 20, 2020 by Calm

[Calm]

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/03/zombies-shootings-bizarre-revelations-what-new-court-documents-suggest-about-lori-daybell/

Melani’s lawyer:

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Mel, by a pack of lies, is being denied access to her children,” Smith says.

He is conveniently leaving out how she dumped her kids’ possessions on the sidewalk instead of bringing them along or arranging for Boudreaux to pick them up when she decided to take off with a Uhaul full of her own stuff for Idaho as well as not bothering to attend the custody hearing that granted her ex full temporary custody.

https://m.facebook.com/jlumfox10/posts/1548139898682355

More about how Daybell and Cox were controlling Melani.  Her aunt, Vallow, is strangely missing. 
 

Ian P’s exwife side of the story. From her Melani is actively trying to control him:

https://scontent.flhr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/89617921_1548227712006907_1456328023144923136_o.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=6-VaT_1PS5QAX9Iy3Y9&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr3-1.fna&_nc_tp=7&oh=6f2f45f5c4eac295c40cddfc47ba3c76&oe=5E99CFE7

Edited March 20, 2020 by Calm

[The Nehor]

On 3/19/2020 at 6:57 PM, katherine the great said:

Can a translated being get a virus?

Nope, they are released from all sorrow other than for the sins of the world.

[Calm]

Been quiet.  One news item...her remaining lawyer has filed a motion for another bail reduction hearing, claims there are new facts that have come to light since last hearing (joy, the link worked with an image, excellent)

 

Edited March 25, 2020 by Calm

[bsjkki]

Lori Vallow's wedding ring was bought off of Amazon before Tammy Daybell had died. She also was shopping for a wedding dress. Hmmmm https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2020/3/25/21194350/lori-vallow-daybell-case-chad-daybell-ring-amazon

• The purchase date matters for a number of reasons.
• For one, it was purchased 17 days before Tammy Daybell died. So the wedding ring used when Lori Vallow married Chad Daybell was bought almost two weeks before Chad Daybell’s late wife, Tammy Daybell, was still alive.
• And Oct. 2, 2019, is an important date in the entire Lori Vallow Daybell case. A recent report suggested that Lori Vallow Daybell and an unidentified man — allegedly Chad Daybell — were together on that date as a Self Storage Plus garage in Rexburg, as I wrote for the Deseret News.
• The two visitors to the garage can be seen dropping off a tire and a car seat.
• On that day, Brandon Boudreaux, the ex-husband of Lori Daybell’s niece, Melani Pawlowski, was shot in Arizona. He didn’t die from the shot (it was reported that Cox might have been the shooter). Cox died two months later.

[bsjkki]

https://twitter.com/jlumfox10/status/1242983003363495936?s=20

I don't know how to copy tweets well but this is about Melani's lawyer's response to the 'cult' charges and toys etc...

 

Edited March 26, 2020 by bsjkki

[Calm]

hmm....for some reason, what I did yesterday didn't work today...

Edited March 26, 2020 by Calm

[Calm]

Chandler police say they are getting closer to indicting Vallow for her part in her husband’s death

Ah, pasting twitter links on phone yields pictures, old tech no go. 
 

weird pictures coming up for me (Alice ballet), so I may just use links anyway unless someone really prefers pictures included. 

Edited March 27, 2020 by Calm