smac97 Posted December 30, 2019 Posted December 30, 2019 "Big Love" ran on HBO from 2006 to 2011. It looks like HBO is returning to Mormon-related drama. See here: Quote Recently, HBO Max also announced Vegas High, an upcoming teen drama. The series is written and based on the life of Sarah-Raquel Jimenez. She will work with Gillian Robespierre, who will direct the series. Vegas High is set in the 1990s and follows Laura, a teenager caught between the heady world of Las Vegas and her Mormon upbringing. Her mother, Diane is the “epitome of a Mormon housewife” and will be played by Ozark star Jordana Spiro, while Laura’s “reckless” and charismatic brother, Josh, will be played by Josh Andrés Rivera. ...Vegas High sounds interesting, particularly if it examines being a Latinx person living in a Mormon household. Too often Hollywood focuses on Latin American characters through Christianity, so it’ll be unique at the experiences of other Latinos of other religions. Thanks, -Smac
strappinglad Posted December 30, 2019 Posted December 30, 2019 " latinx ' … a PC word that Latinos have no use for !... or so I've read. That said, Las Vegas is a true contrast in culture from the Strip to the Temple. Talk about trying to be in the world but not of it.
Popular Post pogi Posted December 30, 2019 Popular Post Posted December 30, 2019 51 minutes ago, smac97 said: Too often Hollywood focuses on Latin American characters through Christianity, so it’ll be unique at the experiences of other Latinos of other religions. Big fat eye-roll! 6
Popular Post bluebell Posted December 30, 2019 Popular Post Posted December 30, 2019 I have zero--less than zero--faith that HBO will actually be able to accurately portray a member being caught between Las Vegas and her spiritual beliefs. It's practically a given that this series will show a caricature of mormonism. 11
pogi Posted December 30, 2019 Posted December 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, bluebell said: I have zero--less than zero--faith that HBO will actually be able to accurately portray a member being caught between Las Vegas and her spiritual beliefs. It's practically a given that this series will show a caricature of mormonism. Hopefully they do better than Netflix's Hell on Wheels, Where Brigham Young and other Mormons play a fairly prominent role in later seasons. 2
Popular Post Maidservant Posted December 31, 2019 Popular Post Posted December 31, 2019 The Expanse. Mormons in space. (Amazon). Not the main plot, but the Mormon space temple and the pioneer art persist through the rest of the seasons (after the main situation in season 1). Caricatured and gotten wrong, lol, but I still like it. I mean, Mormons in space! We are obviously durable culture! Ha ha. 6
LoudmouthMormon Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 One might hope it will at least give us as fair a treatment as we got here: 4
rockpond Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 41 minutes ago, Maidservant said: The Expanse. Mormons in space. (Amazon). Not the main plot, but the Mormon space temple and the pioneer art persist through the rest of the seasons (after the main situation in season 1). Caricatured and gotten wrong, lol, but I still like it. I mean, Mormons in space! We are obviously durable culture! Ha ha. Missionaries called to serve in the asteroid belt is a fun concept. And the idea that Mormons could someday build the largest spaceship ever as a means of escaping earth and finding a new world to colonize seems a little bit more realistic with the alleged size of our investment portfolio. Placing an angel Moroni on the nose of the ship was just artistic genius. Regarding Vegas High, these days HBO really has no excuse for the show to be actually to our LDS faith and culture. Hopefully they’ll get it right. 4
Popular Post LoudmouthMormon Posted December 31, 2019 Popular Post Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) We don't mention the Starship Troopers movie where the bugs massacred everyone in Port Joe Smith. Edited December 31, 2019 by LoudmouthMormon 5
Kenngo1969 Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 Meh. In too much drama and literature, it seems that religiously devout characters are of value only insofar as they betray their faith and values and get swept along by the dominant culture. As a perhaps-extreme example, the member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints portrayed in the ABC law enforcement drama Quantico kills himself and a fellow agent to prevent his deep, dark past (involving crimes/sins he committed as a missionary for the Church of Jesus Christ) from being discovered. 4
Popular Post MiserereNobis Posted December 31, 2019 Popular Post Posted December 31, 2019 3 hours ago, pogi said: Hopefully they do better than Netflix's Hell on Wheels, Where Brigham Young and other Mormons play a fairly prominent role in later seasons. Hell on Wheels was a great show overall. It even had awesome Americana music with the credits Catholics, or more specifically Catholic history (and religious orders especially), gets routinely mischaracterized and treated as a caricature. Look at Da Vinci Code, complete with a self-flagellating albino assassin member of Opus Dei, ha. Still a good movie.... 5
pogi Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 35 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said: Hell on Wheels was a great show overall. It even had awesome Americana music with the credits Catholics, or more specifically Catholic history (and religious orders especially), gets routinely mischaracterized and treated as a caricature. Look at Da Vinci Code, complete with a self-flagellating albino assassin member of Opus Dei, ha. Still a good movie.... I agree. I really enjoyed the show but had to laugh at the portrayal of Mormonism through Brigham Young and Bishop Dutson (the Swede - great character though).
bluebell Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Maidservant said: The Expanse. Mormons in space. (Amazon). Not the main plot, but the Mormon space temple and the pioneer art persist through the rest of the seasons (after the main situation in season 1). Caricatured and gotten wrong, lol, but I still like it. I mean, Mormons in space! We are obviously durable culture! Ha ha. If anything convinced me of the need to not be known as Mormons anymore, it was The Expanse. The nickname definitely made it easy for the writers to make us a weird culture rather than a Christian religion. 2
Bernard Gui Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, smac97 said: "Big Love" ran on HBO from 2006 to 2011. It looks like HBO is returning to Mormon-related drama. See here: Thanks, -Smac Anything that involves the word Latinx should be suspect from the start. I wonder what the “epitome of a Mormon housewife” will look like? Stereotypes, anyone? Edited December 31, 2019 by Bernard Gui 1
Bernard Gui Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 4 hours ago, strappinglad said: " latinx ' … a PC word that Latinos have no use for !... or so I've read. That said, Las Vegas is a true contrast in culture from the Strip to the Temple. Talk about trying to be in the world but not of it. Family and friends who are of Spanish/Latino heritage confirm this.
Bernard Gui Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 4 hours ago, bluebell said: I have zero--less than zero--faith that HBO will actually be able to accurately portray a member being caught between Las Vegas and her spiritual beliefs. It's practically a given that this series will show a caricature of mormonism. And the false dilema of prudishness vs hipness. 2
Bernard Gui Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Maidservant said: The Expanse. Mormons in space. (Amazon). Not the main plot, but the Mormon space temple and the pioneer art persist through the rest of the seasons (after the main situation in season 1). Caricatured and gotten wrong, lol, but I still like it. I mean, Mormons in space! We are obviously durable culture! Ha ha. In Frank Herbert’s Dune, it is Islam that is most durable in space. 2
bluebell Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said: And the false dilema of prudishness vs hipness. Exactly.
Bernard Gui Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, MiserereNobis said: Hell on Wheels was a great show overall. It even had awesome Americana music with the credits Catholics, or more specifically Catholic history (and religious orders especially), gets routinely mischaracterized and treated as a caricature. Look at Da Vinci Code, complete with a self-flagellating albino assassin member of Opus Dei, ha. Still a good movie.... We do have the Penitentes in New Mexico just a few miles from where I grew up.... Quote As the movement grew, it became known for its actions on Good Friday (the day commemorating Christ’s death in the Christian calendar), during which members conducted a public procession and most would flagellate themselves. Leading the procession would be one or more people carrying a heavy cross. The procession would culminate in the planting of the cross in the ground and the lashing of one of the members to it. Though this part of the ceremonies was conducted in private, at various times non-members have photographed or otherwise observed it. The Catholic Church has officially distanced itself from the Penitentes, and on several occasions attempted to suppress it. As early as 1886, the archbishop of Santa Fe, for example, ordered the groups to stop flagellation and the carrying of the crosses. He distributed copies of the rules of the Franciscan Third Order and asked them to reformulate their activity in accordance with it. He was largely ignored, however. In spite of subsequent attempts to disband or reform the movement, it has persisted to the present day, and in recent years large crowds have been drawn to the sites of the processions. https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Penitentes Edited December 31, 2019 by Bernard Gui 1
Calm Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said: In Frank Herbert’s Dune, it is Islam that is most durable in space. Only as a hybrid with other religions, most notably Zen Buddhism. In his son's sequels though, Judaism is more or less in its original form, gone underground. Quote In Chapterhouse: Dune it is revealed that Jewish communities continue to exist, scattered across the galaxy. In sharp contrast to the drastic changes which have occurred in other religions in the 25,000 years between the 20th century and the time of the Honored Matres invasion, Judaism has undergone comparatively little change. Jewish characters also feature in Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson's sequels, Hunters of Dune and Sandworms of Dune. These Jewish communities are led by rabbis, at least some of whom have working relationships with the Bene Gesserit. Heretics of Dunesuggests that Jewish thought may have influenced the development of Bene Gesserit philosophy. The Jewish community described in the novels defines itself as part of "Secret Israel", which, in conjunction with the sparse historical information given in the novel, suggests that the Jewish people had decided to conceal themselves to follow their religion and avoid the recurrent atrocities of their past. Long ago, the Bene Gesserit and the hidden Jewish communities came to an understanding of sorts: the Bene Gesserit would provide aid to hidden Jews if they were ever threatened, and help hide the fact that the Jewish religion survives in secret; in return, if ever a Bene Gesserit acolyte is lost and threatened on an isolated planet, the local Jewish community give her aid and shelter. A simple arrangement, but one which endured between both groups for millennia. Moreover, the Torah and Talmudic Zabur are listed in Appendix II of Dune as having contributed to the Orange Catholic Bible; the appendix also notes that these books were preserved on Salusa Secundus. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dune_religions 1
Bernard Gui Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Calm said: Only as a hybrid with other religions, most notably Zen Buddhism. In his son's sequels though, Judaism is more or less in its original form, gone underground. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dune_religions In my reading of the original trilogy, which I love, I prefer my interpretation of religious influences that persisted through time. The later Jewish appearance was interesting, but I really got tired of the over and over and over and over ghola Duncan Idaho. It ruined the sequels for me and his last book was just awful. Oh that I hadn’t read it. I wish he had left the original three alone. Never could get into the son’s sequels. Then there is this... Quote Middle Eastern references[edit] Due to the similarities between some of Herbert's terms and ideas and actual words and concepts in the Arabic language, as well as the series' "Islamic undertones" and themes, a Middle Eastern influence on Herbert's works has been noted repeatedly.[26][27] In addition to Arabic, Dune derives words and names from multiple other languages, including Hebrew, Navajo, Latin, Chakobsa, the Nahuatl dialect of the Aztecs, Greek, Persian, East Indian, Russian, Turkish, Finnish, and Old English.[28] As a foreigner who adopts the ways of a desert-dwelling people and then leads them in a military capacity, Paul Atreides' character bears many similarities to the historical T. E. Lawrence;[29] his 1962 biopic Lawrence of Arabia has also been identified as an influence.[30] Lesley Blanch's novel The Sabres of Paradise (1960) has also been identified as a major influence upon Dune, with its depiction of Imam Shamil and the Islamic culture of the Caucasus inspiring some of the themes, characters, events and terminology of Dune.[31] The environment of the desert planet Arrakis is similar to the Middle East, particularly the Arabian Peninsula and Persian Gulf, as well as Mexico. The novel also contains references to the petroleum industries in the Arab states of the Persian Gulf as well as Mexico.[32] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(novel) And this... https://baheyeldin.com/literature/arabic-and-islamic-themes-in-frank-herberts-dune.html We have a new Frank Herbert memorial park called Dune Peninsula at Point Defiance in Tacoma. https://www.metroparkstacoma.org/place/dune-peninsula/ Edited December 31, 2019 by Bernard Gui 1
strappinglad Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 I think it has been established that some people are really weird . Present company excluded of course... except for the Nehor. 😎😋
The Nehor Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 31 minutes ago, strappinglad said: I think it has been established that some people are really weird . Present company excluded of course... except for the Nehor. 😎😋 I was about to object. Thanks for sticking to accuracy. I am sure this series will handle religious topics and the struggles of people’s faith in a contrasting secular world of license with all the nuance they are known for using in the past and.....okay, no, I could not keep a straight face. If they avoid plural marriage sex scenes I will count it as a win by the standards of what I am expecting. 2
Calm Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Bernard Gui said: really got tired of the over and over and over and over ghola Duncan Idaho. It ruined the sequels for me and his last book was just awful. Quoted for truth. 1
Amulek Posted December 31, 2019 Posted December 31, 2019 Quote Vegas High is set in the 1990s and follows Laura, a teenager caught between the heady world of Las Vegas and her Mormon upbringing. Her mother, Diane is the “epitome of a Mormon housewife” [...] Hmm...I was a teenager in the 90's, and my own mother could very well be considered the "epitome of a Mormon housewife." Yet somehow I suspect the character which will be portrayed on screen with have very little resemblance to my dear Mother (and not merely because my Mom isn't Latin - though she did have a curious affinity for that 90's singer who was known for shaking his bon-bon).
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