smac97 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 24 minutes ago, cinepro said: I listened to most of Kavanaugh's hearing, and overall all I was pretty disappointed. I'm sure there were good reasons, but every time Kavanaugh dodged a question, I cringed. I would have expected one of the top judges in the country to do a little better under questioning. Hmm. I missed the questioning part.
bsjkki Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, Gray said: Just watch him. Yes I think everyone should watch him. Here is a link to his opening statement. I found it compelling. https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/09/27/brett-kavanaugh-opening-statement-senate-hearing-vpx.cnn 3
bsjkki Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, smac97 said: Hmm. I missed the questioning part. Mostly, the Democrats wanted him to request an FBI investigation and hammered him on his drinking and weather he ever drank so much he did not remember. Why the FBI investigation is such a political request at this time. https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/heres-the-real-reason-why-republicans-dont-want-an-fbi-investigation/ “The reason GOP and Kavanaugh might not want an FBI Investigation is because a typical SSBI takes 7 months,” he explained. “Even expedited it may take more than a month or two, which of course drags into the mid-terms.” Let’s do the math. If an FBI investigation were to be opened today and it took 7 months, that’s the end of April 2019. Well after the mid-terms, and fast approaching 2020.” The Republican discussed the timeline with the allegations and Feinstein sitting on it until after the hearings ended. Edited September 28, 2018 by bsjkki 1
Scott Lloyd Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 42 minutes ago, Gray said: It's impressive that he didn't write down his failed rape attempt in his calendar? slander. 2
Glenn101 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 22 minutes ago, Gray said: Just watch him. I have. He is angry. He is emotional. Not surprising. People react in different ways to stressful events, situations, etc. People are not really good at spotting deception in others although they often think they are., and people that are totally convinced of something can be sincerely and tragically wrong. Glenn 2
smac97 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Glenn101 said: I have. He is angry. He is emotional. Not surprising. People react in different ways to stressful events, situations, etc. People are not really good at spotting deception in others although they often think they are., and people that are totally convinced of something can be sincerely and tragically wrong. Glenn Yep. As for Dr. Ford, I thought this article merits some consideration: ‘False Memories’ Are More Common Than You Think Quote Cognitive scientists have learned that people can be 100 percent certain of their memories . . . and 100 percent wrong. ‘Beyond a reasonable doubt” is not a phrase found in the Constitution. Yet these four words, which begin appearing in United States jurisdiction around 1798, have become legal cliché. In 1970, the Supreme Court cited them as the evidentiary gold standard (though in 1990 the Court distinguished it from “moral certainty”). Now we tend to think of “reasonable doubt” as a safety net for the accused. But it did not begin this way. In fact, legal scholars say that the need for proof beyond “reasonable doubt” comes from Christian theology and was originally enshrined in law to prevent jurors from damning themselves by bearing false witness. . . . to prevent jurors from damning themselves by bearing false witness. “False witness” is either lying outright or knowingly playing fast and loose with facts. Which makes it a particularly jarring phrase this week, given that Christine Blasey Ford is scheduled to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee tomorrow. A possible counter-explanation of Ford’s story would be to say that she has a “false memory,” not that she is bearing “false witness.” What if we were to leave this national political circus for a moment and step inside a well-established branch of neuropsychology? A science that, over the past few decades, has revealed just how easily our memories become distorted. Dr. Elizabeth Loftus, a cognitive scientist and law professor who has studied memory for more than 40 years, with a particular focus on how it unfolds in the courtroom, has advanced a number of illuminating studies over the years. One gathered information on 300 people in the United States who had gone to prison for crimes they did not commit, as proved by later DNA evidence. Of those 300 (some of whom were imprisoned as long as 30 years), three-quarters of the convictions were the result of the false memories of the accuser. The entire article is worth a read. Thanks, -Smac 4
Glenn101 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, smac97 said: Yep. As for Dr. Ford, I thought this article merits some consideration: ‘False Memories’ Are More Common Than You Think The entire article is worth a read. Thanks, -Smac Yes indeed. I am going to make a prediction. If Gray or Doctor Ford reads that article, it will cause neither of them to change their minds. She is her own expert. Edited to add; The Jennifer Thompson story is one that Doctor Ford may already be aware of. Her story also appears in a book "Introduction to Psychology" by Rod Plotnik and Haig Kouyoumdjian. Then maybe she has moved on beyond introductory psychology. I have emailed the two senators from my state with information on the Jennifer Thompson story and urged them to read it and to share with their colleagues. Glenn Edited September 28, 2018 by Glenn101 added another thought.
halconero Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 This whole process reveals how far the United States has drifted from its God-inspired Constitution. Congress has become neutered, and because it legislation-by-court has become expedient, thus politicizing SCOTUS. Ignore the headline, this article from the Economist is worth reading. 2
Tacenda Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) I watched Kavanaugh's statement and the questioning portion, and it was very convincing. I watched Dr. Ford's statement and it's convincing as well, now going to watch the questioning portion. Also, I wish everyone out there will teach even more than ever that when you are assaulted/abused in any way, to tell an adult/authority. Then maybe things will get nipped in the bud early, crimes will get paid early, victims will get justice, and helped early on. We need to spread this message over and over worldwide. Even the abuser could get help early on if stopped, possibly. Edited September 28, 2018 by Tacenda
SteveO Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) They have the votes to move it out of the committee and onto the senate floor. Donnelly, Manchin, Murkowski and Collins are all expected to vote the same way, per senators and aides and a few Democrats are breaking ranks and voting yes. I think that’s the ballgame. Edited September 28, 2018 by SteveO
Scott Lloyd Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 Some chilling considerations from Liz Wheeler of One America News in case the Senate discards the presumption of innocence and blocks the appointment of Kavanaugh to SCOTUS: https://youtu.be/-Q64EAkTGV4
Scott Lloyd Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) A thoughtful piece from the Wall Street Journal positing that a Kavanaugh defeat based on the unproven allegations against him will divide the country for a generation: Opinion: The Kavanaugh Standard - The Wall Street Journal https://apple.news/AA_KGYmSQTBmjdzU4cvNylA Edited September 28, 2018 by Scott Lloyd
Scott Lloyd Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) Senator Graham explodes at Durbin after Durbin hectors Kavanaugh at today’s hearing: https://youtu.be/iKmOMOxQPB4 The most majestic speech in the U.S. Senate since the "have you no decency" episode during the Army-McCarthy hearings of the 1950s. Edited September 28, 2018 by Scott Lloyd 1
Duncan Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Scott Lloyd said: A thoughtful piece from the Wall Street Journal positing that a Kavanaugh defeat based on the unproven allegations against him will divide the country for a generation: Opinion: The Kavanaugh Standard - The Wall Street Journal https://apple.news/AA_KGYmSQTBmjdzU4cvNylA and for that reason the world was laughing the the President at the UN. They think they own the world and progress is being made, when in reality, it isn't and the world knows it. I was reading a piece awhile back, England ruled the world until WW2 ish and then got knocked off it's perch and then the US became this super power, now though it's become the laughing stock and how can you take the US seriously anymore? it's losing influence. The Church is kind of getting into this "America first" stuff, if something bad happens in other countries there is no counsel, something happens to the US then there is reaction as if the world is falling apart-take gay marriage for example. Where was the counsel for it when it became legal in other countries? nothing.
Duncan Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: Senator Graham explodes at Durbin after Durbin hectors Kavanaugh at today’s hearing: https://youtu.be/iKmOMOxQPB4 I love how he used unethical sham or something like that cue Merrick Garland..... here's a question, why can't the US pick somebody else? like are the republicans married to this Kavanaugh guy or is there nobody else they can pick? Edited September 28, 2018 by Duncan
SteveO Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, Duncan said: I love how he used unethical sham or something like that cue Merrick Garland..... here's a question, why can't the US pick somebody else? like are the republicans married to this Kavanaugh guy or is there nobody else they can pick? 13 previous pages of posters arguing that. Doesn’t matter now, he’s getting confirmed.
Duncan Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, SteveO said: 13 previous pages of posters arguing that. Doesn’t matter now, he’s getting confirmed. and further put sexually assaulted women back into the corners, where the Kavanaughs of the US put them
bsjkki Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, Duncan said: and further put sexually assaulted women back into the corners, where the Kavanaughs of the US put them I agree this whole episode has hurt sexual assault victims. 2
Garden Girl Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 17 minutes ago, Duncan said: I love how he used unethical sham or something like that cue Merrick Garland..... here's a question, why can't the US pick somebody else? like are the republicans married to this Kavanaugh guy or is there nobody else they can pick? Why should someone else be picked... Yes, Dr. Ford came across as sincere and credible... but, without any... report, any, corroberating evidence. The four "witnesses" she named all denied or were not able to remember the event, with one saying she didn't even know Kavanaugh and had never been to a party with him... I can't say more of what I think of the Dems in this process because it would be too political for this board. GG 3
Scott Lloyd Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Duncan said: and further put sexually assaulted women back into the corners, where the Kavanaughs of the US put them Another slanderous cheap shot. Edited September 28, 2018 by Scott Lloyd 2
Duncan Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: Another slanderous cheap shot. and Kavanaugh's Trump style left wing conspiracy nonsense? is what? more unproven allegations from Kavanaugh, he can't corroborate anything. Are the Clintons responsible for every thing in the US? I feel for those 85 year old Senators having to think about it for a day and then pick tomorrow.
bsjkki Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: More slander. I think this has hurt sexual assault victims because her allegation was hidden and not investigated in the proper way with her name withheld as she requested. If Diane Feinstein had reported this, it would have been vetted and the media circus would not have happened. My rape survivor daughter watched the whole thing today. Her favorite statement was made by Lindsay Graham. I was very surprised because she is much more liberal than I am but felt the whole process was corrupted. https://www.yahoo.com/news/lindsey-graham-steals-show-brett-212836185.html 1
bsjkki Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 MWEG’s statement made today. https://www.mormonwomenforethicalgovernment.org/official-statement-from-mormon-women-for-ethical-government-in-response-to-todays-testimonies-from-dr-christine-blasey-ford-and-judge-brett-kavanaugh/
Glenn101 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 28 minutes ago, Duncan said: and further put sexually assaulted women back into the corners, where the Kavanaughs of the US put them I do not understand why you are savaging Judge Trump. Doctor Ford's testimony was credible to the point that she had been assaulted and that she believes 100% that Judge Kavanaugh was the perpetrator. Unfortunately she provided no corroborating evidence and none of the people she named, including a life long friend can help her. The friend denies even knowing Judge Kavanaugh during the time in question. Judge Kavanaugh has a really good track record of mentoring and promoting female law clerks. It seems that not confirming him may be a setback for those efforts, since he had decided upon four women to be his law clerks should he be confirmed. It is more than a bit disturbing when uncorroborated accusations are enough to derail a person's career and tarnish a sterling reputation. There was one thing that she said that no one pressed her on, as she was her own expert witness. That is how she is so certain of her memory. Doctor Elizabeth Loftus has demonstrated that memories can be implanted and/or manipulated easily and has actually weighed in on this case. Quote Yep. As for Dr. Ford, I thought this article merits some consideration: ‘False Memories’ Are More Common Than You Think I hope that we can all back off the rhetoric here and find some ways to deal with this constructively. Glenn 1
SeekingUnderstanding Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 17 minutes ago, bsjkki said: I think this has hurt sexual assault victims because her allegation was hidden and not investigated in the proper way with her name withheld as she requested. If Diane Feinstein had reported this, it would have been vetted and the media circus would not have happened. My rape survivor daughter watched the whole thing today. Her favorite statement was made by Lindsay Graham. I was very surprised because she is much more liberal than I am but felt the whole process was corrupted. https://www.yahoo.com/news/lindsey-graham-steals-show-brett-212836185.html It’s my understanding that Ford decided not to come forward and requested Feinstein to hold the letter in confidence until very recently. Is this incorrect? Or do you think Feinstein should have ignored Ford’s expressed wishes? https://www.google.com/amp/amp.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article218542315.html
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