Mormon Women's Group Call on LDS Senators to Investigate Allegations Against Kavanaugh

[alter idem]

14 minutes ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

This is why people do not report or talk about these things. You realize this right? 

No, this is why her story doesn't ring true.  She would have been just as complicit as the others for seeing this happen and not have told anyone.  Yes, often victims won't tell parents or the police, but there's no excuse for not warning others that they could become a victim.  It's makes no sense that she would have continued to attend parties where this was happening and yet, never said a word for 35 years.

[Gray]

2 minutes ago, alter idem said:

This makes complete sense.  This happened a long time ago and Ford has misremembered who was involved.  It makes sense because Kavanaugh said he and Ford didn't run in the same social circles and he didn't understand why she accused him of this, but she was likely drunk at the time.  Kavanaugh went on to make a name for himself, so his name came to her when she was trying to put together hazy memories from her past.

I just wonder what those who have already condemned Kavanaugh will think of this.  Will they dismiss this, thinking these men are simply trying to save Kavanaugh--but at the same time they won't consider that Ford and the others made these allegations because they don't want a pro-life judge on the Sumpreme court, for fear that Roe v. Wade will be overturned.

 

I think this political destruction of Kavanaugh is fueled by their desire to protect abortion and to stick it to Pres. Trump.  

Two anonymous GOP operatives are trying to "I am Spartacus" Kavanaugh out of this. Isn't it obvious? You really buy that TWO separate men are going to cop to raping Ford?  Time for the FBI to get involved.

[Gray]

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Brett Kavanaugh is on the record instructing his buds to keep [the code of silence] after a 2001 boat trip to Annapolis, Maryland—even from their wives. “Reminders to everyone to be very, very vigilant w/r/t confidentiality on all issues and all fronts, including with spouses,” he wrote after apologizing for a variety of things, including “growing aggressive after blowing still another game of dice.” By this time he wasn’t in high school. He was in the White House.

 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/brett-kavanaugh-allegations-yearbook-male-bonding.html

 

 

[ALarson]

I just listened to Ford give her statement.  She's convincing and I believe that she was sexually assaulted.

It will be interesting to watch the questioning and if there are inconsistencies between her statement now vs. what she wrote in her letters (and told others).  I think the only defense that Kavanaugh has is to prove it is a case of misidentification.  

[The Nehor]

8 hours ago, bsjkki said:

So you believe Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones and Kathleen Willey?

That does not logically follow from what I said. I am not sure if they are right. I am sure that this is not a Democratic plot to feed patsies in with false accusations. Now, when they heard about the allegations did they take advantage of them? Hell yes!

Then we have a bumbling Republican Senator opining that since there was no penetration would this really disqualify him if it were true. Yes, Senator, that is why it is called attempted rape or sexual assault and not rape. And yes, you bumbling morally bankrupt idiot, all three of those should be disqualifying acts. Also, you are a moral monster and everyone that voted for you is a standing indictment of the idea that democracy can work.

[ttribe]

1 hour ago, alter idem said:

No, this is why her story doesn't ring true.  She would have been just as complicit as the others for seeing this happen and not have told anyone.  Yes, often victims won't tell parents or the police, but there's no excuse for not warning others that they could become a victim.  It's makes no sense that she would have continued to attend parties where this was happening and yet, never said a word for 35 years.

Just something to consider - http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/11/bystander-psychology-why-some-witnesses-to-crime-do-nothing/

[randy]

18 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Of course he has gotten death threats and is being lambasted. I still do not see equality. He is likely still going to end up with a lifetime appointment.

As to “keeping the powder dry” that is a really silly argument. I find it more likely that Gorsuch just hadn’t actually assaulted anyone.

What I mean by "keeping their powder dry" is to simply say that they knew that Gorsuch had the votes going forward. That his nomination to the Court wasn't the "tie breaker", it wasn't the seat that would turn the Court to the right generationally as this one.  This was "the" war they had to win at all costs.  It wasn't that Gorsuch had a "past".  I submit that if Gorsuch was the nominee now...I submit that the Dems would be creating his "past" as well.

[SteveO]

2 hours ago, ALarson said:

I just listened to Ford give her statement.  She's convincing and I believe that she was sexually assaulted.

It will be interesting to watch the questioning and if there are inconsistencies between her statement now vs. what she wrote in her letters (and told others).  I think the only defense that Kavanaugh has is to prove it is a case of misidentification.  

The standard here isn’t that you “look” or “sound” “credible”. It is whether you provide evidence. All witnesses she has mentioned deny her claim—that was case before this started and remains the case now.

Edited September 27, 2018 by SteveO

[Gray]

2 minutes ago, SteveO said:

The standard here isn’t that you “look” or “sound” “credible”. It is whether you provide evidence. All witnesses she has mentioned deny her claim—that was case before this started and remains the case now.

You mean the perpetrators?

[The Nehor]

12 minutes ago, randy said:

What I mean by "keeping their powder dry" is to simply say that they knew that Gorsuch had the votes going forward. That his nomination to the Court wasn't the "tie breaker", it wasn't the seat that would turn the Court to the right generationally as this one.  This was "the" war they had to win at all costs.  It wasn't that Gorsuch had a "past".  I submit that if Gorsuch was the nominee now...I submit that the Dems would be creating his "past" as well.

I submit that you are nuts.

It is also telling that you presume it as given that all three accounts are made up fiction orchestrated by a conspiracy. By “telling” I mean it tells me that you are nuts.

[randy]

Just now, Gray said:

You mean the perpetrators?

Are you suggesting the good female friend that Dr. Ford identified...and that has denied any knowledge of the incident...that she is a perpetrator?

[SteveO]

Just now, Gray said:

You mean the perpetrators?

Which witnesses corroborate her story?  Her husband and the 3 people that corraborate that she in fact told them about the incident 35 years later (which means nothing)?  Her best friend she confirmed in her testimony was at the party?  The same best friend that said she wasn’t there and didn’t know Brett Kavanaugh?  Which ones do you have in mind?

[randy]

Just now, The Nehor said:

I submit that you are nuts.

It is also telling that you presume it as given that all three accounts are made up fiction orchestrated by a conspiracy. By “telling” I mean it tells me that you are nuts.

hahaha...huh?  what?    well okay!

[The Nehor]

Just now, randy said:

hahaha...huh?  what?    well okay!

The first step is admitting it. Good luck on your healing journey.

[randy]

1 minute ago, The Nehor said:

I submit that you are nuts.

It is also telling that you presume it as given that all three accounts are made up fiction orchestrated by a conspiracy. By “telling” I mean it tells me that you are nuts.

I've been watching the hearing.  I was struck by one thing in her testimony that really hit me.  She testified that she went to a local Safeway store and when she went through the door she encountered Mr. Judge who worked there.  She stated that she went up to him and said hello. It struck me as to why she would extend a greeting to someone she says participated in a sexual assault against her.  I just found that to be very odd.

[randy]

3 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

The first step is admitting it. Good luck on your healing journey.

Just humoring you. We all need that at times.  But...it's all good!

[smac97]

3 hours ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

This is why people do not report or talk about these things. You realize this right? 

This is why society is getting sick and tired of people trying to shame/coerce them into uncritically and credulously accepting facially dubious claims of sexual assault, solely on the basis of some sort of unearned and privileged assumption that women must always be believed, no matter what, and that their claims are immune to scrutiny and reasoned evaluation.  You realize this right?

Out of curiosity, have you ever heard of Mayella Ewell?

Thanks,

-Smac

[smac97]

5 hours ago, alter idem said:

No, this is why her story doesn't ring true.  She would have been just as complicit as the others for seeing this happen and not have told anyone.  Yes, often victims won't tell parents or the police, but there's no excuse for not warning others that they could become a victim.  It's makes no sense that she would have continued to attend parties where this was happening and yet, never said a word for 35 years.

So not only did Swetnick not act then, and not only are her claims problematic on their face, and not only is she being represented by a nakedly partisan attorney with political ambitions, and not only is her affidavit devoid of any falsifiable or testable allegation, she also waited until the absolute eleventh hour.  

Thanks,

-Smac

Edited September 27, 2018 by smac97

[SteveO]

I’d like Grey to answer my question as it was sincere.  Where are these corroborating witnesses that I’m overlooking?  I want to make sure I’m informed, so if I need to be corrected, please do so.

[ALarson]

5 minutes ago, SteveO said:

I’d like Grey to answer my question as it was sincere.  Where are these corroborating witnesses that I’m overlooking?  I want to make sure I’m informed, so if I need to be corrected, please do so.

I think the only potential witnesses to the actual alleged sexual assault would be Kavanaugh and Mark Judge.  Both have denied the accusations.

There are others who she named as being at the party and iirc, they don't remember this specific party.

[Gray]

29 minutes ago, SteveO said:

Which witnesses corroborate her story?  Her husband and the 3 people that corraborate that she in fact told them about the incident 35 years later (which means nothing)?  Her best friend she confirmed in her testimony was at the party?  The same best friend that said she wasn’t there and didn’t know Brett Kavanaugh?  Which ones do you have in mind?

You're confusing "do not recall" with "I wasn't there". One of those "do not recalls" comes from someone who is good friends with the perpetrator.

Edited September 27, 2018 by Gray

[ALarson]

3 hours ago, smac97 said:

Did he use the wrong name on purpose?

[Gray]

15 minutes ago, SteveO said:

I’d like Grey to answer my question as it was sincere.  Where are these corroborating witnesses that I’m overlooking?  I want to make sure I’m informed, so if I need to be corrected, please do so.

The only witnesses to the crime are the would-be rapists and Dr Ford. There are however four witnesses that corroborate that Dr. Ford's claims are made in good faith.

Dr. Ford made a very credible and sincere showing. Kavanaugh's body language, on the other hand, shows that he's hiding something. No one with any discernment would believe Kavanaugh over Ford, after having seen them speak. We already know that Kavanaugh is willing to lie under oath. We know that he hid things from his wife. Kavanaugh has a credibility problem.

[The Nehor]

26 minutes ago, randy said:

I've been watching the hearing.  I was struck by one thing in her testimony that really hit me.  She testified that she went to a local Safeway store and when she went through the door she encountered Mr. Judge who worked there.  She stated that she went up to him and said hello. It struck me as to why she would extend a greeting to someone she says participated in a sexual assault against her.  I just found that to be very odd.

Get ready man. I am about to blow your mind.

There are people who stay in actual romantic relationships with people who have sexually assaulted them.

I know, messed up huh? Yet the evidence is overwhelming that it regularly happens. By comparison saying hi seems kind of tame.

Edited September 27, 2018 by The Nehor

[smac97]

4 minutes ago, ALarson said:

Did he use the wrong name on purpose?

I dunno.  I didn't notice it until you pointed it out.

Thanks,

-Smac