The worst comment ever in Sunday School

[Tacenda]

I need to go back to church! 

[Jeanne]

18 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I need to go back to church! 

I will be your twin...

[MorningStar]

2 hours ago, cinepro said:

Don't feel bad, Ken Jennings didn't know either...

 

 

Hilarious! 

[Tacenda]

Just now, MorningStar said:

Hilarious! 

I've never heard of the word "rake" being used in that way. I probably would have made that comment foolishly also. But in all honesty I absolutely hate the word "ho" used about people, ever. But I wonder if I would have said it like Jennings just to earn some cash. Hopefully I wouldn't have and would have stuck to my beliefs of not ever using that word about a person. 

[Jeanne]

4 minutes ago, MorningStar said:

Hilarious! 

Yeah..I went through the whole there..

[2BizE]

I find this comment firmament I'm the lady consistent with the teachings and culture of the church.  I have heard GAs describe the white shirt and tie as the uniform of the priesthood...

[Rain]

5 hours ago, Tacenda said:

I've never heard of the word "rake" being used in that way. I probably would have made that comment foolishly also. But in all honesty I absolutely hate the word "ho" used about people, ever. But I wonder if I would have said it like Jennings just to earn some cash. Hopefully I wouldn't have and would have stuck to my beliefs of not ever using that word about a person. 

I've only heard "rake" used in historical romance type books. It would not have come to my mind quickly in the game.

[Calm]

There is an American version as well, iirc it lasted a season:

 

[The Mean Farmer]

12 hours ago, 2BizE said:

I find this comment firmament I'm the lady consistent with the teachings and culture of the church.  I have heard GAs describe the white shirt and tie as the uniform of the priesthood...

 

 

It is the uniform of the LEADERSHIP of the priesthood.   In most cases.

 

The color of your shirt certainly isn't going to be a condemnation worth sin to God. 

[mfbukowski]

On 12/15/2017 at 5:19 AM, Eveline said:

Seriously?? I know I come from a different continent entirely, but.....serious? Is this a subject of discussion? I also recently heard that I am not supposed to wear flipflops to Church and my skirt needs to be a certain length. Serious? I am in my mid forties and a lifelong member of this Church. Never heard this new doctrine before.

Shall we Just please continue teaching and sharing with eachother the really important stuff and stay away from all this ' fluff'.

Thank you from across the ocean!!

You will find that what concerns Utahns does not concern Mormons in the rest of the world, which is referred to as "The Mission Field". 

There was a discussion on another thread about staying in "Sunday Clothes" (another Utah-ism) all day on Sundays in order to keep the Sabbath holy.

The skirt length deal is in order to keep garments from being exposed, at least in my understanding, but on the other hand modern political correctness mixed with Utahn Correctness prohibits my saying that because I am a man and must not speak of such things. 

For Utahns this is not "fluff", it IS "fluff" to the rest of the world, in the church or outside the church,  because.......   well....   because we are not from Utah!!

-- From the Mission Field of Los Angeles

Edited December 16, 2017 by mfbukowski

[mfbukowski]

3 hours ago, The Mean Farmer said:

 

 

It is the uniform of the LEADERSHIP of the priesthood.   In most cases.

 

The color of your shirt certainly isn't going to be a condemnation worth sin to God. 

Well it might if you live in.....  

Never mind. 

 

[Jeanne]

1 minute ago, mfbukowski said:

You will find that what concerns Utahns does not concern Mormons in the rest of the world, which is referred to as "The Mission Field". 

There was a discussion on another thread about staying in "Sunday Clothes" (another Utah-ism) all day on Sundays in order to keep the Sabbath holy.

The skirt length deal is in order to keep garments from being exposed, at least in my understanding, but on the other hand modern political correctness mixed with Utahn Correctness prohibits my saying that because I am a man and must not speak of such things. 

For Utahns this is not "fluff", it IS "fluff" to the rest of the world, in the church or outside the church,  because.......   well....   because we are not from Utah!!

-- From the Mission Field of Los Angeles

I own my own little condo in Utah..but should I ever decide to move...it will be out of this state..There is a fluff in every corner of the lines in the 4 corners.  I went to Virginia years ago and kayaked on the ocean and visited people there...I have not breathed since.

[mfbukowski]

On 12/15/2017 at 8:16 AM, stemelbow said:

I should make this my last one, at least for a while, but I'm feeling inspired.

Recently our GD teacher decided to share a video honoring mr. President Trump to express that we ought to honor the country we live in.  

After it finished she stopped it and gazed upon all of us with a solemn voice filled with spirit-directed emotion and said, "If we each loved each other, honored the goals of our country like Mr. Trump, we'd be doing God's will."

Giggles of all sorts erupted, which seemed to have threw her for a loop.  

 

 

And which interpretation of "GD" did you have in mind?  

[mfbukowski]

On 12/15/2017 at 8:26 AM, stemelbow said:

Well I'm a bit jealous.  This type of thing, focusing on what we wear, whether it's fine twined enough or not, has always been a focus of Church in my Utah areas.  

The second to the last word being the operative one here... 

 

[mfbukowski]

On 12/15/2017 at 9:30 AM, MorningStar said:

I don't understand what he even means by that. 

Cleaning it up considerably it means that as a young man one should hang out with one's male buddies instead of dating too early.

Considerably, and charitably interpreted to say the least.

Edited December 16, 2017 by mfbukowski

[Calm]

5 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

The second to the last word being the operative one here... 

 

Ithink it is more likely the third given my own Utah experience

I have no doubts there are pockets ofweird in Utah just as there has been everywhere I have lived...California probably tops my list of weird experiences.

I suspect a lot of itis what we go looking for, pay attention to.  If we create a "weird" context filter that becomes the background we see everything against, then we find weird rather than ordinary people just thinking differently than we do...and if we like to dramatize on top of that...

Edited December 16, 2017 by Calm

[Tacenda]

16 minutes ago, Jeanne said:

I own my own little condo in Utah..but should I ever decide to move...it will be out of this state..There is a fluff in every corner of the lines in the 4 corners.  I went to Virginia years ago and kayaked on the ocean and visited people there...I have not breathed since.

There is more to your story I would love to hear! My friend who lived next door to me for years told me she went to Virginia as well and will forever be changed, she wanted to move there immediately, because of their friendliness. 

What do you mean you have not breathed since? It isn't because of our lovely air at this time of year, where we are told to stay indoors for our health is it, or something else. Pretty sure it's something else. I'd love to know what it would be like to live outside of Utah, I've never lived anywhere else. 

[CA Steve]

28 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

You will find that what concerns Utahns does not concern Mormons in the rest of the world, which is referred to as "The Mission Field". 

There was a discussion on another thread about staying in "Sunday Clothes" (another Utah-ism) all day on Sundays in order to keep the Sabbath holy.

The skirt length deal is in order to keep garments from being exposed, at least in my understanding, but on the other hand modern political correctness mixed with Utahn Correctness prohibits my saying that because I am a man and must not speak of such things. 

For Utahns this is not "fluff", it IS "fluff" to the rest of the world, in the church or outside the church,  because.......   well....   because we are not from Utah!!

-- From the Mission Field of Los Angeles

Well my experience with the LA mission field is that some of these same issues are not considered fluff here either. I had a discussion with my Bishopric serving BIL out in Agoura about wearing white shirts just a couple of months ago, and he would not even entertain the notion of wearing any other shirt than white. "It would offend God". This goes back a long ways here also. My father served in the stake presidency in the San Fernando Valley back in the 1970's. When he showed up at the airport with the rest of the stake presidency to pick up a visiting apostle, he was bluntly told by that apostle that God did not approve of his mustache, a story my father still tells proudly to this day.

 

Btw, it's funny, in the space of a little over two decades, the church went from a prophet who wore a beard (George Albert Smith) who died in 1951 to facial hair being considered irreverent, for leadership.

Edited December 16, 2017 by CA Steve

[Jeanne]

7 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

There is more to your story I would love to hear! My friend who lived next door to me for years told me she went to Virginia as well and will forever be changed, she wanted to move there immediately, because of their friendliness. 

What do you mean you have not breathed since? It isn't because of our lovely air at this time of year, where we are told to stay indoors for our health is it, or something else. Pretty sure it's something else. I'd love to know what it would be like to live outside of Utah, I've never lived anywhere else. 

By breathing...I meant while I was there...there was no judgment..no one checking for garments...now ward on every street...everyone loved and said hello in the eye and with sincerity that has nothing to do with anything but being a real person...I had no idea what that was like...no one cared..love was just totally unconditional...religion did not matter but kindness did.    Landing back in SLC  there was a heaviness..I felt I had to shield who I was..because I felt less than.

[Tacenda]

2 minutes ago, Jeanne said:

By breathing...I meant while I was there...there was no judgment..no one checking for garments...now ward on every street...everyone loved and said hello in the eye and with sincerity that has nothing to do with anything but being a real person...I had no idea what that was like...no one cared..love was just totally unconditional...religion did not matter but kindness did.    Landing back in SLC  there was a heaviness..I felt I had to shield who I was..because I felt less than.

It's no fun when you're on the outside of the religion that is most prominant. Sounds like in other places it matters not, what religion you belong to. I have noticed something about flying into Utah on a plane. You definitely feel it, heaviness if you're not in the same crowd sort of thing. 

[Calm]

My husband has had no problem wearing a beard no matter what calling since we got to Utah, my son has a closet full of coloured shirts and there are many men like him in our ward.  And while there may be some who stay Sunday best all Sunday, it doesn't include the masses of kids and adults who walk and play and visit in our lanes on pleasant Sundays.

In fact, the only place there was ever an issue with his beard was in Calgary with an older SP, the bishop and SP in our previous ward in Kansas said nothing when he was called as a counselor there.

The most traditional ward and stake I have been was in the San Francisco area, the least traditional is probably my current Utah ward.

In every ward and branch I have been in save Moscow which had few members, we have had a Cleon Skousen/end times family, a history buff or two, a range of feminists, including a hard core one in Canada who was the bishop's wife, a couple of scientists who tend to have strong beliefs on how we should treat each other and they live them well, traditional families that go through hard times and lose faith, traditional families that go through hard times and and deepen their faith and everyother type of family also have the range of faith in action.  What is consistent to me is the variety that exists once you go past the local surface superficial culture that has as much to do with education and economics as religious habits ward members have shared with each other.

The one stand out difference I have noticed in Utah is a higher frequency of people making a conscious decision not to worry about rulesas much.  There is an assumption of knowledge even when that knowledge isn't 'real'.  Many assume they are quite familiar with the rules on how things are to be done and base their rationale on it being the rules, but after pointing out where the handbook says something quite different, they have no problem blowing off the rules since they have seen what they do 'working'...so why change?

[Calm]

42 minutes ago, Jeanne said:

By breathing...I meant while I was there...there was no judgment..no one checking for garments...now ward on every street...everyone loved and said hello in the eye and with sincerity that has nothing to do with anything but being a real person...I had no idea what that was like...no one cared..love was just totally unconditional...religion did not matter but kindness did.    Landing back in SLC  there was a heaviness..I felt I had to shield who I was..because I felt less than.

I feel the opposite in Utah.  I have never felt so accepted as who I am without judgment...or negative judgment, no one has tried telling us what we should be doing for our daughter who hasn't attended church since she was 15, they just constantly ask if they can help and generally follow through if I ask them for it.  No one has ever made a snide comment about me showing up at the front door in pjs or not wearing any makeup at Church.  Or pushed me saying I needed to be a better example by attending my meetings.  No one has told my husband his cartoon ties are inappropriate.

California (and not at church) was probably the place I felt most like you in Utah outside of Moscow.  In Moscow people who were strangers either pretended they didn't see you or stared at you with blank faces, occasionally turning one's head to spit.  Otoh, the women once they knew you were very sweet.  Most Russian men scared me a little unless they were young twenties and then they were lots of fun.  In Utah, I can strike up a friendly conversation pretty much anywhere and anyway,

California is where I was most of my childhood and youth.  I suspect my social discomfort of feeling on the spot or ignored comes from habits of thought I picked up growing up.

I think we too often assume it is other people acting  certain way making us feel whatever, when the reality is the filters we carry around with us and see the world through.

My sister feels stifled in Utah because she suffered a huge emotional blow with her first marriage here plus she thinks of it much like I did when we first moved down, where I hated it because of memories of a very traumatic 4 months in junior high that took me some time to shake.  She never did imo because more trauma was added and she has never lived here since then, only visited.  She is also a bit of a snob from remembering the limits of Utah in our youth, I was too.  But it has many more opportunities for things to get into these days...save for the ocean which is the one I want most.

Edited December 16, 2017 by Calm

[theplains]

On 15/12/2017 at 8:19 AM, Eveline said:

Seriously?? I know I come from a different continent entirely, but.....serious? Is this a subject of discussion? I also recently heard that I am not supposed to wear flipflops to Church and my skirt needs to be a certain length. Serious? I am in my mid forties and a lifelong member of this Church. Never heard this new doctrine before.

It seems that legalism in regards to clothing is starting to creep into the church.  I suspect a revelation will be
coming soon if it becomes more widespread.

Jim

[mfbukowski]

7 hours ago, Calm said:

Ithink it is more likely the third given my own Utah experience

I have no doubts there are pockets ofweird in Utah just as there has been everywhere I have lived...California probably tops my list of weird experiences.

I suspect a lot of itis what we go looking for, pay attention to.  If we create a "weird" context filter that becomes the background we see everything against, then we find weird rather than ordinary people just thinking differently than we do...and if we like to dramatize on top of that...

Weird?  No question Calif. has the monopoly on that one- but diverse weird-o individuals as opposed to a single minded consistent cultural point of view that is weird.  As I see it like probably a third of the state has the "face cards are of the devil" and "wear a tie all day on Sunday"  and "the devil rules the waters," Bruce R and JFS type- mentality.

http://www.ldsliving.com/Where-the-Saying-Satan-has-Dominion-over-the-Water-Came-from-And-Why-It-s-Used-in-Connection-with-Missionaries/s/84882

Not too many surfers in that last group. 

On the other hand, the other 2/3 are wonderful because they see things with the same weirdness I see things, present company included. 

Except of course for the polygamists and they have their own special category, imo, but are too small a group to count. 

Edited December 17, 2017 by mfbukowski

[Calm]

Quote

As I see it like probably a third of the state has the "face cards are of the devil" and "wear a tie all day on Sunday"  and "the devil rules the waters," Bruce R and JFS type- mentality.

My experience is more like less than 10% are like that...and that would require over half of them being silent about their beliefs.