JLHPROF Posted September 15, 2017 Author Posted September 15, 2017 Just now, RevTestament said: 21.5 years to be more exact. The silence in heaven means exactly that. None hear His voice. The only guidance is by the Holy Spirit. It happens to coincide with the beginning of the seventh seal or seventh thousand years or "the millennium" so called. If He was in the fifth seal, time is up. Rev 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. I suppose you are saying I am arrogant. I kinda wish I was. So far the LDS Church has not believed revelation. It is stuck in its own story. Apparently we agree on the most part. I too think the numbers point to a time within a decade. And I also think Church members in large numbers no longer believe their own revelations. Personally I think President Packer did the members a great disservice when he implied they had all the time in the world. And I wasn't implying arrogance. It would only be arrogant to assume we know the day and hour. Or in other words, to fix a date. I am willing to estimate broadly, but it is arrogance to pull a Harold Camping and get specific. 1
Guest Posted September 15, 2017 Posted September 15, 2017 39 minutes ago, hope_for_things said: There was so much apocalyptic thinking happening in the NT times, that even Mark and Matthew wrote about it. Makes me wonder how much dooms day thinking is a genetic trait. Is there an evolutionary advantage to this kind of thinking somehow? I think in their case, they were looking forward to seeing their friend and God, also that Israel would be given their freedom from Roman rule.
Guest Posted September 15, 2017 Posted September 15, 2017 46 minutes ago, RevTestament said: It is true that the righteous need not worry, but God does tell us through His servants. Isaiah 42:9 Behold, the aformer things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell byou of them. So He tells Yeshua things before they come to pass. We have been told: D&C 88:93 And immediately there shall appear a great sign in heaven, and all people shall see it together. 94 And another angel shall sound his trump, saying: That great church, the mother of abominations, that made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, that persecuteth the saints of God, that shed their blood—she who sitteth upon many waters, and upon the islands of the sea—behold, she is the tares of the earth; she is bound in bundles; her bands are made strong, no man can loose them; therefore, she is ready to be burned. And he shall sound his trump both long and loud, and all nations shall hear it. 95 And there shall be silence in heaven for the space of half an hour; and immediately after shall the curtain of heaven be unfolded, as a scroll is unfolded after it is rolled up, and the face of the Lord shall be unveiled; 96 And the saints that are upon the earth, who are alive, shall be quickened and be caught up to meet him. 97 And they who have slept in their graves shall come forth, for their graves shall be opened; and they also shall be caught up to meet him in the midst of the pillar of heaven— Again, I am not disagreeing with anything you are saying, I'm just making an important point. You are preaching to the converted.
hope_for_things Posted September 15, 2017 Posted September 15, 2017 18 minutes ago, Bill "Papa" Lee said: I think in their case, they were looking forward to seeing their friend and God, also that Israel would be given their freedom from Roman rule. Yeah, probably wishful thinking really. Ever heard of the optimism bias? Interesting stuff, I'm sure I'm guilty of quite frequently. https://youarenotsosmart.com/2017/07/25/yanss-105-optimism-bias/ 1
stemelbow Posted September 15, 2017 Posted September 15, 2017 Just to be clear, are we mocking people who think that they've read signs to narrow down when the start of an apocoplypse? If so, can we include our own church whenever the signs are talked about? Or is it worthy to mock those who seem to just take it one step too far? Wouldn't mocking GA talks that speak of impending doom forcing modern events events into scriptural prophecy as signs of the second coming be taboo here?
JLHPROF Posted September 15, 2017 Author Posted September 15, 2017 13 minutes ago, stemelbow said: Just to be clear, are we mocking people who think that they've read signs to narrow down when the start of an apocoplypse? If so, can we include our own church whenever the signs are talked about? Or is it worthy to mock those who seem to just take it one step too far? Wouldn't mocking GA talks that speak of impending doom forcing modern events events into scriptural prophecy as signs of the second coming be taboo here? We are "mocking" those who believe they have some special method of calculating something that falls outside of their true purview. And I don't believe we are mocking any one in particular. Just the extreme numbers of these predictions and the . No, we cannot include our own Church in this other than the occasional member with the bunker and gun collection and conspiracy theories. Actual prophecy is the right of those holding the authority. A warning from a GA should be taken seriously. As for "forcing events" to fit prophecy - our refusal to watch for the signs is just as foolish a sin as mis-attributing them. The loss of Millennialism and recognition of the latter-days among some Church members will not be a good thing. 1
stemelbow Posted September 15, 2017 Posted September 15, 2017 18 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: We are "mocking" those who believe they have some special method of calculating something that falls outside of their true purview. Whose to say whose purview we're talking about? I mean why is it out of their purview? Because the scriptures say we don't know the day or hour? 18 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: And I don't believe we are mocking any one in particular. Just the extreme numbers of these predictions and the . No, we cannot include our own Church in this other than the occasional member with the bunker and gun collection and conspiracy theories. Actual prophecy is the right of those holding the authority. A warning from a GA should be taken seriously. As for "forcing events" to fit prophecy - our refusal to watch for the signs is just as foolish a sin as mis-attributing them. The loss of Millennialism and recognition of the latter-days among some Church members will not be a good thing. Mock away. I don't care if they are mocked. But it seems silly to mock others when the mocker is one who seems to believe any perceptible tie in an authoritative person can create to the second coming, claiming prophecy.
The Nehor Posted September 15, 2017 Posted September 15, 2017 If I had to guess more then 50 years away but no more then 300. But I could be wrong.
stemelbow Posted September 15, 2017 Posted September 15, 2017 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: If I had to guess more then 50 years away but no more then 300. But I could be wrong. What's 50 years away, but no more than 300? Jesus' return?
hagoth7 Posted September 16, 2017 Posted September 16, 2017 (edited) 20 hours ago, stemelbow said: Mock away. I don't care if they are mocked. I care if they're mocked. I wasn't mocking others. My post was humor about my own actual plan involving a modest plot of ground. That desire for a modest shack/garden was/is in earnest. Quote But it seems silly to mock others... Agreed. Quote Whose to say whose purview we're talking about? I mean why is it out of their purview? It isn't out of their purview. At all. Of Daniel, Christ said, "Whoso readeth...let him understand." Of Revelation, Christ said, "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein..." These things were written to be understood. The watchword simply is, Whoso lacketh wisdom, let him ask of God...who giveth to all liberally... Edited September 16, 2017 by hagoth7 2
Avatar4321 Posted September 16, 2017 Posted September 16, 2017 is there a reason to assume that when God speaks of silence He is speaking of the lack of revelation? Or that we should calculate it using Gods measurements of time? Couldn't half an hour literally just mean half an hour? Or the silence indicate maybe air travel has ceased world wide or radio communications?
Derl Sanderson Posted September 16, 2017 Posted September 16, 2017 Got my tent like Rod Meldrum told me.
MDalby Posted September 16, 2017 Posted September 16, 2017 On 9/15/2017 at 6:47 AM, blueglass said: 24 temples including the great temple of the new Jerusalem have to be constructed first, then Jesus appears at the great temple. Then 2nd appearance is to Adam- ondi ahman for the conference , and then finally the 3rd appearance to the whole world. Jesus definitely knows the exact time and hour when he's appearing. There is also the prophecy of the Lord's appearance to the Jews at the Mount of Olives during the Armageddon events. So the specific appearances that are mentioned include the appearance at Adam-ondi-Ahman, The New Jerusalem Temple, the Mount of Olives and then the Lord's coming in glory. https://archive.org/stream/MStarVol21/MStar_Vol_21#page/n596/mode/1up http://LDSLastDays.com 2
strappinglad Posted September 16, 2017 Posted September 16, 2017 On 9/15/2017 at 1:36 PM, The Nehor said: But I could be wrong. I know. Like me you have been wrong only twice before, and once was when you thought you were wrong and you weren't .
Kenngo1969 Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 You mean, Julie Rowe has been prophesying again? I'm as ready as I can be. (See my location.)
hagoth7 Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, Derl Sanderson said: Got my tent like Rod.... ? Why associate Rod with tents? Please retract your statement. It was unkind. Or, with the magical formula required by board rules.... CFR ...please either provide documentation to support your assertion that Rod ever said any such thing... ...or promptly retract your statement. Edited September 17, 2017 by hagoth7
SteveO Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 What exactly are we to look for within the church? Is there an actual announcement that is going to be made over the pulpit giving specific directions as to what we should be doing? I've heard different people say there will be either a physical gathering in Missouri, a conference, a spiritual gathering, and then some that say nothing will happen and everyone will stay where they are? To those more knowledgeable on the matter, what is it that you are expecting the brethren to say that will make it clear we are getting close? 1
JLHPROF Posted September 17, 2017 Author Posted September 17, 2017 12 hours ago, SteveO said: What exactly are we to look for within the church? Is there an actual announcement that is going to be made over the pulpit giving specific directions as to what we should be doing? I've heard different people say there will be either a physical gathering in Missouri, a conference, a spiritual gathering, and then some that say nothing will happen and everyone will stay where they are? To those more knowledgeable on the matter, what is it that you are expecting the brethren to say that will make it clear we are getting close? On 9/16/2017 at 7:19 AM, hagoth7 said: It isn't out of their purview. At all. Of Daniel, Christ said, "Whoso readeth...let him understand." Of Revelation, Christ said, "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein..." These things were written to be understood. The watchword simply is, Whoso lacketh wisdom, let him ask of God...who giveth to all liberally... These seem to be the two viewpoints out there. The idea that "we don't have to worry or do anything, they'll announce the second coming in General Conference". VS the idea that "we will get our own personal heads up about the end times by studying and analyzing scripture and praying for special knowledge". Problem is, the truth is somewhere in the middle. No random sagebrush prophet or conspiracy theory member is going to get a revelation about preparing for the end times that will apply to the whole ward/stake/Church/world. Not their place to do so. And no member who sits back and waits for General Authorities to tell them exactly what to do about the end times is going to be prepared. Responsibility is both individual and communal. Some prophetic elements will be down to us alone to make it through. Some prophetic elements will be led by priesthood keys and require group effort. 2
The Nehor Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 On 9/15/2017 at 4:27 PM, stemelbow said: What's 50 years away, but no more than 300? Jesus' return? Firefly remake. 1
The Nehor Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) On 9/16/2017 at 8:43 PM, hagoth7 said: ? Why associate Rod with tents? Please retract your statement. It was unkind. Or, with the magical formula required by board rules.... CFR ...please either provide documentation to support your assertion that Rod ever said any such thing... ...or promptly retract your statement. So should I have a tent or not? Please stop playing games with my survival! Edited September 18, 2017 by The Nehor
The Nehor Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 22 hours ago, SteveO said: What exactly are we to look for within the church? Is there an actual announcement that is going to be made over the pulpit giving specific directions as to what we should be doing? I've heard different people say there will be either a physical gathering in Missouri, a conference, a spiritual gathering, and then some that say nothing will happen and everyone will stay where they are? To those more knowledgeable on the matter, what is it that you are expecting the brethren to say that will make it clear we are getting close? "All those in favor of gathering to Missouri please manifest it. Any opposed by the same sign." Anyone who opposes gets transformed into a pillar of salt. 1
Calm Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 On 2017-09-16 at 7:43 PM, hagoth7 said: ? Why associate Rod with tents? Please retract your statement. It was unkind. Or, with the magical formula required by board rules.... CFR ...please either provide documentation to support your assertion that Rod ever said any such thing... ...or promptly retract your statement. Meldrum's Expos often include those pushing this stuff: "BOOK OF MORMON EVIDENCE - EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS - HOLISTIC HEALTH & WELLNESS - SIGNS OF OUR TIMES - SCIENCE & MORMONISM - CONSTITUTIONAL STUDIES - FOOD PRESERVATION - CAMPING, GARDENING & SURVIVAL SKILLS - FIRST AID TRAINING - ANCIENT SYMBOLISM - WORLD EVENTS & PROPHECY - DISCOVERIES IN CHURCH HISTORY - UTILIZING ESSENTIAL OILS - OVERCOMING ADDICTIONS - AND..." http://bookofmormonevidence.org/featuring-the-17th-international-book-of-mormon-evidence-conference/
PeterPear Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 I suspect it will be similar as mentioned in the Book of Mormon. It will be revealed to the Prophets: 2 And behold, he said unto them: Behold, I give unto you a sign; for five years more cometh, and behold, then cometh the Son of God to redeem all those who shall believe on his name. Then the foolish 50% of the ten virgins of the LDSChurch will freak out then start demanding knowledge and obedience from the wiser 50%. Which is impossible; and the Lord will later after He arrives, shut the door on them, saying "You never knew me," because they didn't attend their meetings, receive the Priesthood or enter into that covenant, never magnified their Priesthood, never attended the Temple or kept those Covenants they received, never paid a full tithing - you get the idea. In the meantime, CNN will invite expert astronomers who will claim the sign in the heavens are comets and mock the LDS Church leadership about the warning, claiming they're fuddy-duddies who never attended Astronomy school thus know nothing and they should be ignored. "The Church doesn't have an official position on the exact day and hour on the Second Coming," will write an LDS Scholar who earlier claimed Nephite horses are tapirs in Central America, and that there are two Cumorahs, the first being in Mexico somewhere, "thus Church membership can ignore this warning because Brigham Young was a racist." Temples will be open 24/6 or 24/7 (a prophecy I heard of but can't verify) for all the last minute foolish virgins. The sign in the Heavens will get brighter and brighter as the Lord and those that are with him approach the Earth to burn up the wicked. 64 And also that which was written by the prophet Malachi: For, behold, the day cometh that shall burn as an oven, and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble; and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. As the sign of the Coming of the Lord gets brighter, the world will care less. "It's a comet. Let's eat, drink and be merry, and post selfies of it on Facebook." Things will continue normally in the World. You won't be able to take your years supply of 12 ga shotgun shells and shoot your Zombie-apocalypse neighbors bussed into Utah County from neighboring reefer-addict Colorado to prevent them from stealing your food. 41 But as it was in the days of Noah, so it shall be also at the coming of the Son of Man; 42 For it shall be with them, as it was in the days which were before the flood; for until the day that Noah entered into the ark they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage; 43 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be. Yet, the Saints who are wise and took the Holy Spirit as their guide and listened and obeyed the Prophet and the Apostles will be prepared.
RevTestament Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: Firefly remake. Nah. It wasn't good enough. But there is a new Star Trek remake.... I hope they make the Enterprise replacement a more serious fighting machine that doesn't get its shields knocked out in every battle...
The Nehor Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, RevTestament said: Nah. It wasn't good enough. But there is a new Star Trek remake.... I hope they make the Enterprise replacement a more serious fighting machine that doesn't get its shields knocked out in every battle... I forgive you your blasphemy. Go in peace my child and sin no more. 2
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