Are you ready?....For the next Apocalypse.

[JLHPROF]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/853642/End-of-the-World-The-Rapture-September-23-239-Nibiru-Planet-X
Just in case you missed the first few raptures etc, you have another chance in just over a week.  A friend in all seriousness asked me if I had heard of this date as the start of the tribulation period.

I wonder if this will be any more successful than Y2K,  Harold Camping May 2011,  Mayan's December 2012, etc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events
Who knew there were going to be so many ends of the world?

But for those inclined to do a little food storage shopping thought I'd share....

[pogi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/853642/End-of-the-World-The-Rapture-September-23-239-Nibiru-Planet-X
Just in case you missed the first few raptures etc, you have another chance in just over a week.  A friend in all seriousness asked me if I had heard of this date as the start of the tribulation period.

I wonder if this will be any more successful than Y2K,  Harold Camping May 2011,  Mayan's December 2012, etc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events
Who knew there were going to be so many ends of the world?

But for those inclined to do a little food storage shopping thought I'd share....

Each time I see these I think of what Jesus Christ said, "no man knoweth the hour or the day". Which means as Jesus Christ said, he does not even know, only "our Father in Heaven". But very often some think they have figured it out, something that was mystery to Jesus himself. One a religious website, one person posted, that if he did not post it, he will suffer eternally. On another website, a pro-Mormon site, a Jewish woman who converted to the Church also spoke of this and the implications. 

[JLHPROF]

1 minute ago, Bill "Papa" Lee said:

Each time I see these I think of what Jesus Christ said, "no man knoweth the hour or the day". Which means as Jesus Christ said, he does not even know, only "our Father in Heaven". But very often some think they have figured it out, something that was mystery to Jesus himself.

Actually, Joseph Smith clarified this scripture.

• Remarks on the comeing of the Son of Man by Joseph Smith the Prophet. Made in Nauvoo.
  Christ says no man knoweth the day or the hour when the Son of Man cometh. This is a sweeping argument for sectarianism against Latter day ism. Did Christ speak this as a general principle throughout all generations Oh no he spoke in the present tense no man that was then liveing upon the footstool of God knew the day or the hour But he did not say that there was no man throughout all generations that should not know the day or the hour. No for this would be in flat contradiction with other scripture for the prophet says that God will do nothing but what he will reveal unto his Servants the prophets consequently if it is not made known to the Prophets it will not come to pass;
  again we find Paul 1st of Thesslonians 5th Chapter expressly points out the characters who shall not know the day nor the hour when the Son of Man cometh for says he it will come upon them as the theif or unawares.  Who are they they are the children of darkness or night. But to the Saints he says yea are not of the night nor of darkness of that that day should come upon you unawares. John the revelator says 14 chap 7th verse that the hour of his judgements is come they are precursers or forerunners of the comeing of Christ, read Matthew 24 Chap and all the Prophets.
  He says then shall they see the Sign of the comeing of the Son of Man in the clouds of Heaven. How are we to see it
  Ans. As the lighting up of the morning or the dawning of the morning cometh from the east and shineth unto the west — So also is the comeing of the Son of Man. The dawning of the morning makes its appearance in the east and moves along gradualy so also will the comeing of the Son of Man be. it will be small at its first appearance and gradually becomes larger untill every eye shall see it.  Shall the Saints understand it Oh yes. Paul says so.  Shall the wicked understand Oh no they attribute it to a natural cause. They will probably suppose it is two great comets comeing in contact with each other It will be small at first and will grow larger and larger untill it will be all in a blaze so that every eye shall see it.
  
  WJS  180-81 

So apparently the righteous and prophets are getting a heads up where the wicked will say it's some normal scientific occurrence.  Like an eclipse.

 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

Actually, Joseph Smith clarified this scripture

So apparently the righteous and prophets are getting a heads up where the wicked will say it's some normal scientific occurrence.  Like an eclipse.

I erased the entire text so that mods won't have to re-read it to find tampering. With all that Joseph said, Jesus Christ (God, member of the Godhead) said that not even he knew. That is very completing evidence that "no man" living or dead, or even those yet to be don't know, if even the God who would return.  

[Bobbieaware]

14 minutes ago, Bill "Papa" Lee said:

I erased the entire text so that mods won't have to re-read it to find tampering. With all that Joseph said, Jesus Christ (God, member of the Godhead) said that not even he knew. That is very completing evidence that "no man" living or dead, or even those yet to be don't know, if even the God who would return.  

The text leaves open the possibility the Lord could be saying he didn't know at that particular moment in time, not that he would never know the precise time of his coming after being informed at some point in the future. A good lawyer could drive a Mack Truck through the hole created by the lack of specificity in the statement because his words leave the door open to the possibility of a future revelation of full disclosure on the subject. The statement's ambiguity could have been be eliminated if the Savior had simply said he did not then know and would never know the time of his coming until the very last moment.

[JLHPROF]

1 hour ago, Bill "Papa" Lee said:

I erased the entire text so that mods won't have to re-read it to find tampering. With all that Joseph said, Jesus Christ (God, member of the Godhead) said that not even he knew. That is very completing evidence that "no man" living or dead, or even those yet to be don't know, if even the God who would return.  

Not sure what you mean by tampering.
I just quoted Joseph on the subject.  You can choose to believe he knew what he was talking about or not.

Either Amos 3:7 applies to the second coming or it doesn't.  Joseph here said that it does.

[JLHPROF]

1 hour ago, pogi said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY

Best reason for apocalyptic threads is to play that song...

 

 

[strappinglad]

No man knoweth the hour or the day. But, maybe they know the year or the decade or at least the century. It's like the statement that the BoM is the most correct book. Is that of all books ever past or future , or just up to the date of publication ?

The scriptures do say that one can see in the trees the changing of the seasons and we will be looking for those signs to show us when Christ is coming. Quite a few prophecies have yet to be fulfilled before any ' grand sign ' shows up in the heavens. Authorized or not , Mormon Doctrine does give a decent outline for the signs of the Second coming . We've got a ways to go yet.

[Glenn101]

I don't really care if we can know the day or hour. I just need to be prepared. Just as I need to be prepared for death.

I for sure am not going to participate in an Apocalypse Pool. 

Glenn

[Guest]

2 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

Not sure what you mean by tampering.
I just quoted Joseph on the subject.  You can choose to believe he knew what he was talking about or not.

Either Amos 3:7 applies to the second coming or it doesn't.  Joseph here said that it does.

It is possible and has happened in the past, where poster can insert words or sentences in other people texts. So, I was trying to make things easier, by them not having to re-read your entire post, along with my own. Also, I am not being disagreeable, I am just reinforcing the original scripture. So, I do not agree or disagree, just pointing out scripture and the folly that so many who engage in never ending mistakes by trying to figure out when the end of times will or will not come. 

[JLHPROF]

1 minute ago, Bill "Papa" Lee said:

It is possible and has happened in the past, where poster can insert words or sentences in other people texts. So, I was trying to make things easier, by them not having to re-read your entire post, along with my own. Also, I am not being disagreeable, I am just reinforcing the original scripture. So, I do not agree or disagree, just pointing out scripture and the folly that so many who engage in never ending mistakes by trying to figure out when the end of times will or will not come. 

Thank you for clarifying.
And I agree about the folly of trying to calculate/determine when the end of times will happen.  That was the point of the OP.

However, Joseph's statement still seems to indicate the necessity of staying close to the Lord's mouthpiece in order to be prepared.
Let's face it.  If God does nothing except he reveal it to his servants the prophets, then following our priesthood leader would be a smart move, especially in the run up to the end of time.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

Thank you for clarifying.
And I agree about the folly of trying to calculate/determine when the end of times will happen.  That was the point of the OP.

However, Joseph's statement still seems to indicate the necessity of staying close to the Lord's mouthpiece in order to be prepared.
Let's face it.  If God does nothing except he reveal it to his servants the prophets, then following our priesthood leader would be a smart move, especially in the run up to the end of time.

Well Elder McConkie, said that with the signs to which are told to look, could insure no righteous person would be caught unawares. He said we many not know the day, nor the hour. But went on to say we may or might know the year, month, or even the week. 

[Avatar4321]

Obviously the "no man knows" statement isn't for forever. Because the second Christ comes, everyone will know.

 

The issue is will he reveal it before then? I believe so. Why? Because before the Lord comes the Saints will gather at Adam Ondi Ahman while the world remains in darkness.

[RevTestament]

8 hours ago, Bill "Papa" Lee said:

Each time I see these I think of what Jesus Christ said, "no man knoweth the hour or the day". Which means as Jesus Christ said, he does not even know, only "our Father in Heaven". But very often some think they have figured it out, something that was mystery to Jesus himself. One a religious website, one person posted, that if he did not post it, he will suffer eternally. On another website, a pro-Mormon site, a Jewish woman who converted to the Church also spoke of this and the implications. 

Surely, God doeth nothing except He telleth His servants, the prophets.

This decade the world will see the sign of the Son of Man.

I can also tell you the century that Jerusalem will see Him - when He will actually, physically return to earth. Until that time He will reign personally through His servants.

[hagoth7]

9 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

...But for those inclined to do a little food storage shopping thought I'd share....

Thx.  Your timing is perfect.

Currently in search of a goat, a couple of sheep, a beehive, and a plot of ground for a wee shack and a mini-me garden.

Any takers want a handful of magic beans in trade?

[Rain]

15 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

Actually, Joseph Smith clarified this scripture.

• Remarks on the comeing of the Son of Man by Joseph Smith the Prophet. Made in Nauvoo.
  Christ says no man knoweth the day or the hour when the Son of Man cometh. This is a sweeping argument for sectarianism against Latter day ism. Did Christ speak this as a general principle throughout all generations Oh no he spoke in the present tense no man that was then liveing upon the footstool of God knew the day or the hour But he did not say that there was no man throughout all generations that should not know the day or the hour. No for this would be in flat contradiction with other scripture for the prophet says that God will do nothing but what he will reveal unto his Servants the prophets consequently if it is not made known to the Prophets it will not come to pass;
  again we find Paul 1st of Thesslonians 5th Chapter expressly points out the characters who shall not know the day nor the hour when the Son of Man cometh for says he it will come upon them as the theif or unawares.  Who are they they are the children of darkness or night. But to the Saints he says yea are not of the night nor of darkness of that that day should come upon you unawares. John the revelator says 14 chap 7th verse that the hour of his judgements is come they are precursers or forerunners of the comeing of Christ, read Matthew 24 Chap and all the Prophets.
  He says then shall they see the Sign of the comeing of the Son of Man in the clouds of Heaven. How are we to see it
  Ans. As the lighting up of the morning or the dawning of the morning cometh from the east and shineth unto the west — So also is the comeing of the Son of Man. The dawning of the morning makes its appearance in the east and moves along gradualy so also will the comeing of the Son of Man be. it will be small at its first appearance and gradually becomes larger untill every eye shall see it.  Shall the Saints understand it Oh yes. Paul says so.  Shall the wicked understand Oh no they attribute it to a natural cause. They will probably suppose it is two great comets comeing in contact with each other It will be small at first and will grow larger and larger untill it will be all in a blaze so that every eye shall see it.
  
  WJS  180-81 

So apparently the righteous and prophets are getting a heads up where the wicked will say it's some normal scientific occurrence.  Like an eclipse.

 

Thanks. Had never read that before, but after reading the phrase I have often thought, "but that doesn't mean he will not tell the prophet when the time comes". 

[blueglass]

24 temples including the great temple of the new Jerusalem have to be constructed first, then Jesus appears at the great temple.  Then 2nd appearance is to Adam- ondi ahman for the conference , and then finally the 3rd appearance to the whole world.  Jesus definitely knows the exact time and hour when he's appearing.  

[Guest]

11 hours ago, RevTestament said:

Surely, God doeth nothing except He telleth His servants, the prophets.

This decade the world will see the sign of the Son of Man.

I can also tell you the century that Jerusalem will see Him - when He will actually, physically return to earth. Until that time He will reign personally through His servants.

Maybe, but on this event, not so sure. I have read many books on this topic, because it fascinates me. Also many sermons, and to date they have all been wrong. But, I will continue to obey God's commandments and when it comes it comes. However there is much wisdom in "no man knowing", as such knowledge will cause men and women live only for today, and put off living righteous lives, until time comes near. The only problem is that, as the scriptures put it, "eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die", which can and will be by that time, have those "led down with flaxen cords, until they are bound down with the chains of hell".I am not saying that you are any others are wrong, but to those living righteous lives now, it matters not when he comes. 

[RevTestament]

6 minutes ago, Bill "Papa" Lee said:

Maybe, but on this event, not so sure. I have read many books on this topic, because it fascinates me. Also many sermons, and to date they have all been wrong. But, I will continue to obey God's commandments and when it comes it comes. However there is much wisdom in "no man knowing", as such knowledge will cause men and women live only for today, and put off living righteous lives, until time comes near. The only problem is that, as the scriptures put it, "eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die", which can and will be by that time, have those "led down with flaxen cords, until they are bound down with the chains of hell".I am not saying that you are any others are wrong, but to those living righteous lives now, it matters not when he comes. 

It is true that the righteous need not worry, but God does tell us through His servants.

Isaiah 42:9 Behold, the ^aformer things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell ^byou of them.

So He tells Yeshua things before they come to pass. We have been told:

D&C 88:93 And immediately there shall appear a great sign in heaven, and all people shall see it together.

94 And another angel shall sound his trump, saying: That great church, the mother of abominations, that made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, that persecuteth the saints of God, that shed their blood—she who sitteth upon many waters, and upon the islands of the sea—behold, she is the tares of the earth; she is bound in bundles; her bands are made strong, no man can loose them; therefore, she is ready to be burned. And he shall sound his trump both long and loud, and all nations shall hear it.

95 And there shall be silence in heaven for the space of half an hour; and immediately after shall the curtain of heaven be unfolded, as a scroll is unfolded after it is rolled up, and the face of the Lord shall be unveiled;

96 And the saints that are upon the earth, who are alive, shall be quickened and be caught up to meet him.

97 And they who have slept in their graves shall come forth, for their graves shall be opened; and they also shall be caught up to meet him in the midst of the pillar of heaven—

[JLHPROF]

12 hours ago, RevTestament said:

This decade the world will see the sign of the Son of Man.

That's pretty definitive?  
I personally believe things will be sooner (this generation) than later (century +).

But to say "this decade" doesn't strike me as any more valid than to say "next decade".

[hope_for_things]

21 hours ago, Bill "Papa" Lee said:

no man knoweth the hour or the day

There was so much apocalyptic thinking happening in the NT times, that even Mark and Matthew wrote about it.  Makes me wonder how much dooms day thinking is a genetic trait.  Is there an evolutionary advantage to this kind of thinking somehow?  

[JLHPROF]

Just now, RevTestament said:

95 And there shall be silence in heaven for the space of half an hour; and immediately after shall the curtain of heaven be unfolded, as a scroll is unfolded after it is rolled up, and the face of the Lord shall be unveiled;

If a day in heaven (Lord's time) is a thousand years here, then a half hour works out to about 22 years.

Now, what does the silence refer to?  Possibly less direct revelation.  We know people still receive inspiration and guidance from heaven, but has the literal word of the Lord been recorded recently as it was in years past?

I would never be so arrogant as to predict dates, but as you point out, there are guidelines given by the Lord.

Scripture says the earth has a temporal life of 7000 years.  From Adam until the Millennium should be about 6000 years.
Hence the predictions of Y2K being significant.  We have now passed 17 years beyond that date, even adjusting for any calendar issues.
Add in the 22 years of silence from heaven (pretty descriptive of today in my opinion...*cue those claiming secret or unwritten revelation)

I would never predict any time, but I think given the numbers in scripture, the condition of the world today, and the amount of time passed since the restoration began, we have to be getting close.
2022?  2030?  2050?  Who knows, but I don't think as latter-day saints we can legitimately expect to reach the year 2100 without prophesied events happening.

[RevTestament]

16 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

That's pretty definitive?  
I personally believe things will be sooner (this generation) than later (century +).

But to say "this decade" doesn't strike me as any more valid than to say "next decade".

By this decade, I mean in the next ten years. Actually, it is shorter.

[RevTestament]

10 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

If a day in heaven (Lord's time) is a thousand years here, then a half hour works out to about 22 years.

Now, what does the silence refer to?  Possibly less direct revelation.  We know people still receive inspiration and guidance from heaven, but has the literal word of the Lord been recorded recently as it was in years past?
 

21.5 years to be more exact. The silence in heaven means exactly that. None hear His voice. The only guidance is by the Holy Spirit. It happens to coincide with the beginning of the seventh seal or seventh thousand years or "the millennium" so called. If He was in the fifth seal, time is up.

Rev 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

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I would never be so arrogant as to predict dates, but as you point out, there are guidelines given by the Lord.

Scripture says the earth has a temporal life of 7000 years.  From Adam until the Millennium should be about 6000 years.
Hence the predictions of Y2K being significant.  We have now passed 17 years beyond that date, even adjusting for any calendar issues.
Add in the 22 years of silence from heaven (pretty descriptive of today in my opinion...*cue those claiming secret or unwritten revelation)

I would never predict any time, but I think given the numbers in scripture, the condition of the world today, and the amount of time passed since the restoration began, we have to be getting close.
2022?  2030?  2050?  Who knows, but I don't think as latter-day saints we can legitimately expect to reach the year 2100 without prophesied events happening.

I suppose you are saying I am arrogant. I kinda wish I was. So far the LDS Church has not believed revelation. It is stuck in its own story.