RevTestament Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, The Nehor said: I forgive you your blasphemy. Go in peace my child and sin no more. I know you mean I blaspheme for dissing the Enterprise, since Firefly is not worthy of such rancor, but I will forgive you of your sin
The Nehor Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 2 hours ago, RevTestament said: I know you mean I blaspheme for dissing the Enterprise, since Firefly is not worthy of such rancor, but I will forgive you of your sin I worry that your pop culture preferences are completely wrong and will probably condemn you to hell. 1
hagoth7 Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Calm said: Meldrum's Expos often include those pushing this stuff: "BOOK OF MORMON EVIDENCE - EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS - HOLISTIC HEALTH & WELLNESS - SIGNS OF OUR TIMES - SCIENCE & MORMONISM - CONSTITUTIONAL STUDIES - FOOD PRESERVATION - CAMPING, GARDENING & SURVIVAL SKILLS - FIRST AID TRAINING - ANCIENT SYMBOLISM - WORLD EVENTS & PROPHECY - DISCOVERIES IN CHURCH HISTORY - UTILIZING ESSENTIAL OILS - OVERCOMING ADDICTIONS - AND..." http://bookofmormonevidence.org/featuring-the-17th-international-book-of-mormon-evidence-conference/ I attended one this weekend for the first time. And visited every booth. And there wasn't a single emergency preparedness table at the expo this weekend. Independent vendors paying to have a table aren't endorsed by Rod. Unfair to connect the two.
SteveO Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 14 hours ago, JLHPROF said: These seem to be the two viewpoints out there. The idea that "we don't have to worry or do anything, they'll announce the second coming in General Conference". VS the idea that "we will get our own personal heads up about the end times by studying and analyzing scripture and praying for special knowledge". Problem is, the truth is somewhere in the middle. No random sagebrush prophet or conspiracy theory member is going to get a revelation about preparing for the end times that will apply to the whole ward/stake/Church/world. Not their place to do so. And no member who sits back and waits for General Authorities to tell them exactly what to do about the end times is going to be prepared. Responsibility is both individual and communal. Some prophetic elements will be down to us alone to make it through. Some prophetic elements will be led by priesthood keys and require group effort. I think that we need to be prepared both spiritually and materially--so waiting for an "announcement" is definitely too late to repent and/or get some emergency supplies (that we've been counseled to have for years). Two things. Will there be a physical gathering? I've always grown up with the idea that we'd be building a physical city of Zion in Missouri. The second is my grandfather before he passed told me on several occasions that the records of the church would show who were tithe payers, and that if you weren't found in the records, you be basically barred from the refuge the church offered...whatever that was. I dunno if it was true or not, but even during my most rebellious points in life, I always paid my tithing--I guess it's served me well 1
hagoth7 Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, The Nehor said: So should I have a tent or not? Yes. And, yes, you can use it tomorrow for indoor camping. Edited September 18, 2017 by hagoth7
hagoth7 Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 14 hours ago, JLHPROF said: These seem to be the two viewpoints out there. ...Responsibility is both individual and communal. Some prophetic elements will be down to us alone to make it through. Some prophetic elements will be led by priesthood keys and require group effort. Earlier, there were two discussions in this thread. The one about traumatic events...which I don't touch. The other about prophetic timelines. Which Daniel and Revelation both discuss repeatedly. The latter is within anyone's right to understand.
Calm Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 1 hour ago, hagoth7 said: I attended one this weekend for the first time. And visited every booth. And there wasn't a single emergency preparedness table at the expo this weekend. Independent vendors paying to have a table aren't endorsed by Rod. Unfair to connect the two. It looks like this year's expo is much smaller than last years. I wouldn't judge what happened last year by this year. Iirc, Ardis Parshall? Went last year and reported on it. I will try and find it if you think it is needed.
Calm Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 1 hour ago, hagoth7 said: I attended one this weekend for the first time. And visited every booth. And there wasn't a single emergency preparedness table at the expo this weekend. Independent vendors paying to have a table aren't endorsed by Rod. Unfair to connect the two. He bears some responsibility of presenting them as credible experts with credible information by having classes on these subjects and promoting them: http://files.ctctcdn.com/99f1f3db001/ca12ad4d-338a-47ff-b861-2ea9a02e64b5.pdf?ver=1459637660000
hagoth7 Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 4 hours ago, Calm said: It looks like this year's expo is much smaller than last years. I wouldn't judge what happened last year by this year. Iirc, Ardis Parshall? Went last year and reported on it. I will try and find it if you think it is needed. I am of the opinion that the past is the past. Not the future. I prefer to let people learn and grow. Hoping we can do that here. Can we please?
hagoth7 Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Calm said: He bears some responsibility of presenting them as credible experts with credible information by having classes on these subjects and promoting them: http://files.ctctcdn.com/99f1f3db001/ca12ad4d-338a-47ff-b861-2ea9a02e64b5.pdf?ver=1459637660000 My mobile device can't open that. Synopsis? (Hoping that preparedness isn't deemed a bad thing.) Edited September 18, 2017 by hagoth7
The Nehor Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 8 hours ago, hagoth7 said: Yes. And, yes, you can use it tomorrow for indoor camping. My idea of indoor camping is sleeping on the hammock in my living room. 1
The Nehor Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) There is a thin line between presenting pro-LDS scholarship for money and preaching for money. I think Meldrum has slipped over into the latter. Add in his demented latest "scientific" garbage and he has also slipped into lying for money. Edited September 18, 2017 by The Nehor
stemelbow Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, The Nehor said: There is a thin line between presenting pro-LDS scholarship for money and preaching for money. I think Meldrum has slipped over into the latter. Add in his demented latest "scientific" garbage and he has also slipped into lying for money. I haven't followed him. But are you saying he's making money of his stuff? I mean we Mormons are gullible but really?
The Nehor Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 58 minutes ago, stemelbow said: I haven't followed him. But are you saying he's making money of his stuff? I mean we Mormons are gullible but really? Sadly the Korihor approach is not limited to atheists. It is equal opportunity. 2
Derl Sanderson Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) On 9/16/2017 at 7:43 PM, hagoth7 said: ? Why associate Rod with tents? Please retract your statement. It was unkind. Or, with the magical formula required by board rules.... CFR ...please either provide documentation to support your assertion that Rod ever said any such thing... ...or promptly retract your statement. I personally attended the Friday night session of the "20th International Book of Mormon Evidence Conference" at the South Towne Expo Center in Sandy, Utah. Mr. Meldrum was the featured presenter at the 8:30 pm session. His presentation was an argument that the Hill Cumorah be located physically in New York. As part of his presentation, he cited hackneyed anti-Mormon criticisms of why Cumorah couldn't be in New York and then attributed those arguments as not only having come from anti-Mormons, but "Mesoamericanists" as well (though I have never heard or read of Sorenson, Clark, Gardner, or any other responsible "Mesoamericanist" citing those silly anti-Mormon arguments as part of their own theses). Then Mr. Meldrum launched into an explication of the final battle of Nephite destruction at Cumorah. He stressed that all the Nephites had camped there in tents. Then said to all of us assembled "all the Nephites were in tents. Maybe you should get a tent ... I'm just sayin.'" So no retraction coming from me, sorry. And Calm is correct. The number of vendors at this conference was considerably smaller than the last one, as Firm Foundation itself noted on its registration page ("We only have 36 vendor tables for businesses at our September Conference, compared to 156 at the last Expo in April"). Edited September 18, 2017 by Derl Sanderson 1
hagoth7 Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 3 hours ago, The Nehor said: There is a thin line between presenting pro-LDS scholarship for money and preaching for money. I think Meldrum has slipped over into the latter. Add in his demented latest "scientific" garbage and he has also slipped into lying for money. What scientific things are you referring to?
stemelbow Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, hagoth7 said: What scientific things are you referring to? yeah...i'm confused. He first put scientific in quotations which I thought meant it wasn't scientific at all. Then he called ti garbage. So I don't know if he's saying it is scientific, or if he's upset at the notion that Meldrum tried to pass it off as scientific. Whatever the case, even without paying him much attention, if the Nehor is correct and he's making something more then a bit of change or comp'n his trips off his stuff, then I'm a little disappointed in my fellow Mormons. I've heard Dan Peterson say he hasn't/doesn't make a dime off of his apologetic efforts...or something like that. Edited September 18, 2017 by stemelbow
hagoth7 Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 16 minutes ago, stemelbow said: I've heard Dan Peterson say he hasn't/doesn't make a dime off of his apologetic efforts...or something like that. I respect Dan, but don't give much credence to those about to retire on church funds who feel the need to rib those who don't have any such parachute. I gave my research away for 20 years and reportedly lost my wife over my ongoing contributions that way. Women want and need security, and you can't fairly fault a husband like Rod for trying to provide. You can't do what he does without funding. The scope of some projects simply doesn't align well with part-time effort.
The Nehor Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 2 hours ago, hagoth7 said: What scientific things are you referring to? Feast your eyes on the glorious Universal Model!!!!! https://universalmodel.com/
The Nehor Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, hagoth7 said: I respect Dan, but don't give much credence to those about to retire on church funds who feel the need to rib those who don't have any such parachute. I gave my research away for 20 years and reportedly lost my wife over my ongoing contributions that way. Women want and need security, and you can't fairly fault a husband like Rod for trying to provide. You can't do what he does without funding. The scope of some projects simply doesn't align well with part-time effort. I do not fault him for providing for his family. I do fault him for practicing priestcraft in trying to do so. Edited September 18, 2017 by The Nehor 1
blueglass Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) On 9/16/2017 at 7:37 PM, MDalby said: There is also the prophecy of the Lord's appearance to the Jews at the Mount of Olives during the Armageddon events. So the specific appearances that are mentioned include the appearance at Adam-ondi-Ahman, The New Jerusalem Temple, the Mount of Olives and then the Lord's coming in glory. https://archive.org/stream/MStarVol21/MStar_Vol_21#page/n596/mode/1up http://LDSLastDays.com With the 24-7 news cycle and internet news this appearance on the mount of olives is an appearance to everyone. I suppose we're post-tribulationists, and this would coincide with the fulfillment of the zechariah 14:7 prophecy as well "at evening time it shall be light." a repeat of the samuel hel14/3nephi1 sign in the new world at the birth of christ. mount of olives he is accompanied with "a host from heaven", and then the big appearance he is accompanied "with all the hosts of the righteous glorified". It would be good to look up all the source material for this work by Charles Penrose. Edited September 18, 2017 by blueglass
PeterPear Posted September 18, 2017 Posted September 18, 2017 2 hours ago, The Nehor said: Feast your eyes on the glorious Universal Model!!!!! https://universalmodel.com/ You've obviously read all 800 pages of Volume I, which makes you a knowledgeable expert in your mockery.
The Nehor Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 1 hour ago, PeterPear said: You've obviously read all 800 pages of Volume I, which makes you a knowledgeable expert in your mockery. I am not paying for that. Are you crazy? I read the summary on their site and what it said is completely and utterly bonkers.
hagoth7 Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 3 hours ago, The Nehor said: I do not fault him for providing for his family. I do fault him for practicing priestcraft in trying to do so. I don't believe he was practicing priestcraft from what I saw Saturday. Will take a look at the Universal thing.
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