The Nehor Posted September 20, 2017 Posted September 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, hagoth7 said: That doesn't answer the question. What is the basis for claiming he does it for glory? The testimonials he chooses to publish in his website is a good start.
Calm Posted September 20, 2017 Posted September 20, 2017 9 hours ago, hagoth7 said: Until/unless the church teaches specific geography(/ies), we shouldn't condemn people for emphasizing one geography over the other. I agree. That isn't what is happening with FM and other scholars I see criticizing Meldrum
Calm Posted September 20, 2017 Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, hagoth7 said: He or she shall be chastened...by whom? He or she shall be rebuked openly...by whom? Verse 89 (context) And if he or she confess not thou shalt deliver him or her up unto the church, not to the members, but to the elders. And it shall be done in a meeting, and that not before the world. I don't acknowledge you or anyone in this forum as his rightful judge. What am I overlooking? Bad science doesn't need to be address solely by Priesthood leaders. Edited September 20, 2017 by Calm
Calm Posted September 20, 2017 Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, hagoth7 said: I normally don't ignore comments when people are being picked on behind their backs. Expect me to speak up in objection when I see such things happen. Even 14-year-old teachers in the Aaronic priesthood are taught not to let that kind of backbiting happen. In all things, charity. Please. Meldrum is aware of this message board as he has posted here in the past and the internet in generally. This is not behind his back. I have said the exact same things to him directly. He has made himself into a public figure with great effort. He is also selling his stuff. Critiquing his work in public therefore is appropriate so that people are warned about the quality of his product. Edited September 20, 2017 by Calm 4
hagoth7 Posted September 20, 2017 Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) 41 minutes ago, The Nehor said: The testimonials he chooses to publish in his website is a good start. Rod doesn't handle that. I met the man last weekend who manages that effort. Not having known that, I could understand why you might prefer to assume Rod is self-promoting. But he isn't. What then? Edited September 20, 2017 by hagoth7
hagoth7 Posted September 20, 2017 Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) ...double post... Edited September 20, 2017 by hagoth7
Calm Posted September 20, 2017 Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) 31 minutes ago, hagoth7 said: Rod doesn't handle that. I met the man last weekend who manages that effort. Not having known that, I could understand why you might prefer to assume Rod is self-promoting. But he isn't. What then? Having read a number of emails from him over the years, I would disagree. He is the one who organized the Foundation, he has used testimonials since he began his presentations years ago, these are just more of the same. He was the one who set the precedent. If he wanted to stop these types of testimonials, all he would have to do is pass on a directive, You have already stated you have barely paid attention to the guy until this weekend. I have known of him for over ten years, read much of his early material and some of his later, seen emails he sends out to get donations where he claimed revelations and special blessings, paid attention to the growth of his organization, seen his partnerships come and go, been in an extended discussion with him on this message board. I am not going to take your word for what the man is like because you saw him for part of an afternoon in a presentation or MCing an event. Edited September 20, 2017 by Calm 3
hagoth7 Posted September 20, 2017 Posted September 20, 2017 22 hours ago, Calm said: Having read a number of emails from him over the years, I would disagree. He is the one who organized the Foundation, he has used testimonials since he began his presentations years ago, these are just more of the same. He was the one who set the precedent. If he wanted to stop these types of testimonials, all he would have to do is pass on a directive, You have already stated you have barely paid attention to the guy until this weekend. I have known of him for over ten years, read much of his early material and some of his later, seen emails he sends out to get donations where he claimed revelations and special blessings, paid attention to the growth of his organization, seen his partnerships come and go, been in an extended discussion with him on this message board. I am not going to take your word for what the man is like because you saw him for part of an afternoon in a presentation or MCing an event. I think several of you are judging on appearances, not on the heart. And I think it's not a good thing at all...for you, for him, or for the people he's trying to help. Do not board nanny. You are derailing. It is permissible to discuss public figures.
The Nehor Posted September 20, 2017 Posted September 20, 2017 3 hours ago, hagoth7 said: Rod doesn't handle that. I met the man last weekend who manages that effort. Not having known that, I could understand why you might prefer to assume Rod is self-promoting. But he isn't. What then? He consents to it then.
The Nehor Posted September 20, 2017 Posted September 20, 2017 2 hours ago, hagoth7 said: I think several of you are judging on appearances, not on the heart. And I think it's not a good thing at all...for you, for him, or for the people he's trying to help. Maybe he has a pure heart while lying but I would not bet on it.
Calm Posted September 20, 2017 Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, hagoth7 said: I think several of you are judging on appearances, not on the heart. And I think it's not a good thing at all...for you, for him, or for the people he's trying to help. Making bad science claims after being shown one is in error isn't a thing of the heart, but a choice of the head. And when the people he is trying to help find out he has misrepresented the science and history, the loss of their faith they have invested in his teachings has in the past led them out of the Church from what .I have seen reported. Someone who stabs you in the gut to release the evil demon devouring your soul may have a good heart and the best of intentions, but .I don't think we should still just sit back and not attempt to remove the knife in his hand. On another note, Kids taught the Universal Model in homeschool are going to have a horrible time passing basic science in college. And probably have a difficult time with any tech oriented careers as well unless there is a complete attitude change. He is not doing anyone favors, whether or not his intentions are pure. Edited September 20, 2017 by Calm 3
Derl Sanderson Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 (edited) 22 hours ago, hagoth7 said: I've contributed here for about a decade now. And have seen him be the target of rancor for much of that time. It gets old...quickly. Can't we please just let him/them be? You entirely miss the point of why the objections to Meldrum are so strong. Though I personally think his heartland theories are totally misguided and ill-conceived, it doesn't matter ... truly, it doesn't matter! What matters is the fact that Meldrum claims his heartland dogma wasn't developed through any scholarly inquiry, but that it was revealed to him by God, and that those who do not embrace his position in this thing can never be seen as truly faithful Latter-day Saints. This totally flies in the face of those we sustain as prophets, seers, and revelators who have time and again categorically declared that there is no revealed geography for the BOM. In short, Meldrum claims revelation for the Church that prophets do not. If you can't see the danger in that, then 50 pounds of flour don't make a big, fluffy biscuit! Edited September 21, 2017 by Derl Sanderson Sentence structure 3
nealr Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 21 hours ago, hagoth7 said: I think several of you are judging on appearances, not on the heart. And I think it's not a good thing at all...for you, for him, or for the people he's trying to help. You seem to be doing a lot of judging on appearances yourself in this thread. My own interactions with Meldrum are limited, but I've followed his activities for a number of years and had several personal conversations with people who have had numerous interactions with him, Calm among them. You would do well to listen to them and try to understand where they are coming from instead of judging them for judging. Maybe read some of the extended reviews of his martial where the evidence for his some of his shady activities has been published. All this might be more helpful than simply funding him based on your very limited exposure.
JLHPROF Posted September 22, 2017 Author Posted September 22, 2017 http://fox13now.com/2017/09/22/the-story-of-the-end-of-the-world-on-saturday-has-changed-well-sort-of/ Never mind...apparently we get another month to prep. 2
The Nehor Posted September 22, 2017 Posted September 22, 2017 I already sold all my possessions and am sitting naked in a field ready to be taken into heaven......and now he tells me this? 4
Calm Posted September 23, 2017 Posted September 23, 2017 2 hours ago, The Nehor said: I already sold all my possessions and am sitting naked in a field ready to be taken into heaven......and now he tells me this? Surely you at least kept your towel. 1
The Nehor Posted September 23, 2017 Posted September 23, 2017 23 minutes ago, Calm said: Surely you at least kept your towel. No, I even rejected the advice of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" in preparation for the rapture.
The Nehor Posted September 24, 2017 Posted September 24, 2017 Another doomsday comes and goes. (Sigh) Is it that hard to burn the world?
Calm Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 Did you get your clothes back and even more important, put something on? Temperature has really dropped here. Google says it is pretty warm still in your area, so you have some time.
Avatar4321 Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 On 9/22/2017 at 4:40 PM, The Nehor said: I already sold all my possessions and am sitting naked in a field ready to be taken into heaven......and now he tells me this? So... Typical weekend? 2
The Nehor Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 12 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said: So... Typical weekend? Yeah, but that is so not the point. 38 minutes ago, Calm said: Did you get your clothes back and even more important, put something on? Temperature has really dropped here. Google says it is pretty warm still in your area, so you have some time. I will wait a few weeks.
Calm Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Avatar4321 said: So... Typical weekend? (out of rep points)
thesometimesaint Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 The Nehor: Not a pretty mental image you present there.
Avatar4321 Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 7 hours ago, thesometimesaint said: The Nehor: Not a pretty mental image you present there. Your eyes are burning too?
thesometimesaint Posted September 25, 2017 Posted September 25, 2017 5 hours ago, Avatar4321 said: Your eyes are burning too? Yep.
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