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Derl Sanderson

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  1. I think Dan is a first-rate scholar/intellectual and (obviously) a very deeply committed defender of the faith. Plus he's a nice guy (at least he was to me). Back in the 1980's, I somehow found his home phone number and called him with a question. I had read an essay of his in the old FARMS Review wherein he thoroughly dismantled the arguments of the late great (and incredibly egotistical and mean-spirited) Walter Martin. Dan kept referring to him as "Dr." Walter Martin, and being the neophyte I was regarding sectarian invective and apologetic responses to it, I couldn't understand why Dan kept putting quotes around Martin's academic title. So I called Dr. Peterson's home and asked. He was kind enough to spend time with the dope (me) who probably interrupted his evening meal, and explained his use of the scare quotes, even though I was a total stranger. In the process, he pointed me to (and this will date me) Robert and Rosemary Brown's expose of Walter Martin, Dee Jay Nelson, and many other of that generation's critics of the Church. From then on I was hooked and have been a big fan of "The Walrus" ever since (Goo goo g'joob).
  2. What we know about the spirit world appears to be very little. A favorite insight I heard was a few years ago at a FAIR conference Q&A after the presenter had concluded (I wish I could remember who the presenter was). When asked who, of all God's children with their various forms of worship, he thought would be favored in the post-mortal world, he replied, "I think I'm going to be surprised, and if I'm not surprised, I'll be surprised." I respect the faith you portray in this 👍.
  3. From my perspective as just some guy in the pews who read a fair amount of the Tanners' work, it seems to me that a tipping point was reached when the scholars began turning their attention to what the Tanners were doing. Prior to the scholars' interest, Sandra created a narrative that her and Jerald's critiques were unassailable. She would gloat that no general authority of the Church ever responded to their appraisals because none could (though an alternative might be that their ministries involve something more substantive and in need of their attention than do two "career apostates"). At any rate, that all seemed to change when the scholars became interested in answering. Judging by Sandra's reaction, her serenity was greatly upset by the focus her "ministry" was now receiving from those who were highly qualified to respond. That episode is when I first became aware of the old FARMS Review, which blessed my life and enhanced my understanding significantly. Many thanks to Kevin for providing links to a number of those essays. I was not aware that they are available now at BOM Central.
  4. 2nd Class appears to be pretty upset, but also fairly confused, and I'm not entirely sure I understand what (s)he is getting at. But if I correctly catch the drift of the criticisms, I think they're without merit for a few reasons. 1. When you demand adherence to a standard set at the level of perfection, then by definition you will always be a total success in denouncing anything and anyone you choose. But by the same token, your condemnations are worthless ("... when someone tells us not only are they a prophet seer and revelator, but they speak to god and are not to be criticized I expect them to at least not get fooled ..."). 2. In a variation on the old joke "If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans" I would say "If you want to make me cringe, tell me how, in your view, God should behave." ("... I choose to believe God would have intervened like he did to prevent his church being destroyed by one person"). 3. "In the meantime the leaders were made to look a fool. Looked even worse when Oakes was explaining how all the overwhelming righteousness in the room overpowered Hoffman’s evil which diminished their ability to discern." I have no clue as to the source of this charge or what this sentence even means. I think we should expect at least a 2nd Class CFR. And for one seemingly so very interested in the topic, I suggest that credibility would be enhanced if we could at least get a correct spelling of the names of the current First Presidency Counselor as well as the forger/bomber himself. I do know that in a speech given at BYU August 6, 1987, then Elder Oaks said: "As everyone now knows, Hofmann succeeded in deceiving many: experienced church historians, sophisticated collectors, businessmen-investors, national experts who administered a lie detector test to Hofmann, and professional document examiners, including the expert credited with breaking the Hitler diary forgery. But why, some still ask, were his deceits not detected by the several church leaders with whom he met? In order to perform their personal ministries, church leaders cannot be suspicious and questioning of each of the hundreds of people they meet each year. Ministers of the gospel function best in an atmosphere of trust and love. In that kind of atmosphere, they fail to detect a few deceivers, but that is the price they pay to increase their effectiveness in counseling, comforting and blessing the hundreds of honest and sincere people they see. It is better for a church leader to be occasionally disappointed than to be constantly suspicious." I can live with that explanation.
  5. More depressing than you think ... you're remembrance is 10 years later than the actual events!
  6. I always count on The Nehor for the best cultural references on this board, and he never disappoints ... Beatles!
  7. Can't get a bottle of water while standing in line should be any easy fix. Being somewhat inconvenienced in order to exercise a sacred right for which so many (including members of my own family) have died doesn't really seem like a huge sacrifice in comparison. Waaaay back in the day, I supported passage of The Voting Rights Act of 1965, one of the most important and successful pieces of legislation ever crafted by congress. Vigorous enforcement of the existing Section 2 of that act would adequately address what Patrick Leahy is trying to do with the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act, which is superfluous at best and insidious at worst. But I see The Big Red Bar at the top of the page, so for me to go on will accomplish nothing more than to get us all blown out of the water by Nemesis.
  8. The Masons in SLC have a history of generosity and helpful support to the cultural life of the city. Back in my undergraduate days (1970's), I performed as an extra with the Utah Symphony. At the time, the orchestra held its rehearsals in the Masonic temple. A wonderful memory for me was trying to follow Maurice Abravanel's conducting techniques as we rehearsed the Mahler 7th Symphony. The temple environs were beautiful, but I was so intimidated in trying not to screw up the performance that I probably didn't fully appreciate my surroundings. So belatedly ... thank you, SLC Masons!
  9. I would go to Manti and witness all those old, humble farmer/ranchers from the area take the roles in the endowment presentation. They weren't thespians by any standard, but their sincere efforts in both the presentation as well as what it demanded of them in terms of the incredible amount of memorization required always blessed my life with a powerful example of what it means to sacrifice and serve. Glad for that memory.
  10. That's right. You're way ahead of us anyway with bill C-16 passing into law.
  11. I read both Salamander and Victims. I tried The Mormon Murders, but had to give it up because it was lame and totally biased. It's been a long time, but if I recall correctly, a large motivation for Hofmann in producing the Salamander Letter was that there were so very, very few examples of Martin Harris' handwriting. If Hofmann could have verification/acceptance of the letter, it would not only embarrass the Church in an of itself, but it would then also become the standard by which all other alleged Harris documents would be judged for validity. That would open the door to Hofmann producing the lost 116 pages, which he could have say anything he wanted with the end goal of undermining the entire foundation of faith claims for the BOM and consequently of the Church (plus make him a bazillion dollars).
  12. I remember this review from the old FARMS Review of Books on the Book of Mormon.
  13. You'll have to let us know if you think Hofmann is unworthy. 😕
  14. At least one black man isn't too happy with this attitude.
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