Cardston Temple Vision

[rodheadlee]

Was it necessary for Trump to be elected for the Cardston Temple Vision to become true? Or rather did the vision foresee the election of Trump? The vision has WWWIII being the followers of Islam and Buddha fighting the so called followers of Christ. If Hillary would have been elected we would have gone to war with Russia. I wished I would have saved the link but there were comments by Russian posters on the Washington Post's first article about Trump winning  to the effect that if Hillary would have won, the missiles would have flown. Trump is more anti Chinese than anti Russian and perceives China as a threat. I pretty much sat all amazed as I watched Trump win on election night. I didn't see how the vision could be true if Hillary had won, which was fully expected.There are other facets of the vision being fulfilled right now too. What do you all think?

"  I saw that the opposing forces were roughly divided by so-called Christianity on the one side, and by the so-called followers of Mohammed and Buddha on the other. I saw that the great driving power within these so-called Christian nations, was the Great Apostasy of Rome, in all its political, social and religious aspects. I saw the worldwide dislocation and devastation of production and slaughter of people occur more swiftly and upon a larger scale than ever before. I saw an antagonism begin to express itself from those so-cal1ed Christian nations against your people. I saw those with a similar faith to yours in the far east begin to look toward Palestine for safety"

http://www.reliefmine.com/articles/prophecy/93-the-cardston-temple-vision-world-war-iii

[Robert F. Smith]

10 minutes ago, rodheadlee said:

Was it necessary for Trump to be elected for the Cardston Temple Vision to become true? Or rather did the vision foresee the election of Trump? The vision has WWWIII being the followers of Islam and Buddha fighting the so called followers of Christ. If Hillary would have been elected we would have gone to war with Russia. I wished I would have saved the link but there were comments by Russian posters on the Washington Post's first article about Trump winning  to the effect that if Hillary would have won, the missiles would have flown. Trump is more anti Chinese than anti Russian and perceives China as a threat. I pretty much sat all amazed as I watched Trump win on election night. I didn't see how the vision could be true if Hillary had won, which was fully expected.There are other facets of the vision being fulfilled right now too. What do you all think?

"  I saw that the opposing forces were roughly divided by so-called Christianity on the one side, and by the so-called followers of Mohammed and Buddha on the other. I saw that the great driving power within these so-called Christian nations, was the Great Apostasy of Rome, in all its political, social and religious aspects. I saw the worldwide dislocation and devastation of production and slaughter of people occur more swiftly and upon a larger scale than ever before. I saw an antagonism begin to express itself from those so-cal1ed Christian nations against your people. I saw those with a similar faith to yours in the far east begin to look toward Palestine for safety"

http://www.reliefmine.com/articles/prophecy/93-the-cardston-temple-vision-world-war-iii

I doubt that Trump is the "Manchurian Candidate," or that he has anything remotely to do with that 1933 vision of a Quaker lady who visited the Cardston Temple before its dedication.  Seems to me that WW II itself fulfilled the most important parts of her vision, if it was a true vision of God at all.  Trump might as likely be either the Beast of Revelation, or just an unimportant and temporary clown act.  Whatever the case, his reign is surely to be accompanied by chaos and disruption of normal international relations.

[Duncan]

Just now, rodheadlee said:

Was it necessary for Trump to be elected for the Cardston Temple Vision to become true? Or rather did the vision foresee the election of Trump? The vision has WWWIII being the followers of Islam and Buddha fighting the so called followers of Christ. If Hillary would have been elected we would have gone to war with Russia. I wished I would have saved the link but there were comments by Russian posters on the Washington Post's first article about Trump winning  to the effect that if Hillary would have won, the missiles would have flown. Trump is more anti Chinese than anti Russian and perceives China as a threat. I pretty much sat all amazed as I watched Trump win on election night. I didn't see how the vision could be true if Hillary had won, which was fully expected.There are other facets of the vision being fulfilled right now too. What do you all think?

"  I saw that the opposing forces were roughly divided by so-called Christianity on the one side, and by the so-called followers of Mohammed and Buddha on the other. I saw that the great driving power within these so-called Christian nations, was the Great Apostasy of Rome, in all its political, social and religious aspects. I saw the worldwide dislocation and devastation of production and slaughter of people occur more swiftly and upon a larger scale than ever before. I saw an antagonism begin to express itself from those so-cal1ed Christian nations against your people. I saw those with a similar faith to yours in the far east begin to look toward Palestine for safety"

http://www.reliefmine.com/articles/prophecy/93-the-cardston-temple-vision-world-war-iii

Pres. Edward J. Wood was a stand up man- I wonder though about the 1921 date as the Temple wasn't dedicated until 1923. I think the impressions are a bunch of higgledy piggledy I think for this reason we stick to the sustained leaders of the Church for revelation, not some unnamed lady who visited a Temple all those years ago

[HappyJackWagon]

28 minutes ago, rodheadlee said:

Was it necessary for Trump to be elected for the Cardston Temple Vision to become true? Or rather did the vision foresee the election of Trump? The vision has WWWIII being the followers of Islam and Buddha fighting the so called followers of Christ. If Hillary would have been elected we would have gone to war with Russia. I wished I would have saved the link but there were comments by Russian posters on the Washington Post's first article about Trump winning  to the effect that if Hillary would have won, the missiles would have flown. Trump is more anti Chinese than anti Russian and perceives China as a threat. I pretty much sat all amazed as I watched Trump win on election night. I didn't see how the vision could be true if Hillary had won, which was fully expected.There are other facets of the vision being fulfilled right now too. What do you all think?

"  I saw that the opposing forces were roughly divided by so-called Christianity on the one side, and by the so-called followers of Mohammed and Buddha on the other. I saw that the great driving power within these so-called Christian nations, was the Great Apostasy of Rome, in all its political, social and religious aspects. I saw the worldwide dislocation and devastation of production and slaughter of people occur more swiftly and upon a larger scale than ever before. I saw an antagonism begin to express itself from those so-cal1ed Christian nations against your people. I saw those with a similar faith to yours in the far east begin to look toward Palestine for safety"

http://www.reliefmine.com/articles/prophecy/93-the-cardston-temple-vision-world-war-iii

Gotta be honest. This post is kind of a mess and difficult to decipher.

Are you claiming Trump is followed by the Christians or by the Buddists and Muslims? Are you claiming Trumps election protects from war or will cast us into war? I honestly don't know what you're trying to say.

In any case, I don't think that Trump's election is a fulfillment of prophesy, either positive or negative.

[Marmonboy]

IS has sworn its undying hatred of the Pope and the Catholic Church, and has vowed to conquer Italy. Perhaps that's where the next world war starts--a Moslem attack on Italy that drags Europe in. The Chinese may see the chaos as a chance for a land grab, which sets off the Asian part of WW3. Who knows. I expect that we'll find out soon enough.

[rpn]

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Whatever the case, his reign is surely to be accompanied by chaos and disruption of normal international relations.

Or not.

[Tacenda]

8 hours ago, HappyJackWagon said:

Gotta be honest. This post is kind of a mess and difficult to decipher.

Are you claiming Trump is followed by the Christians or by the Buddists and Muslims? Are you claiming Trumps election protects from war or will cast us into war? I honestly don't know what you're trying to say.

In any case, I don't think that Trump's election is a fulfillment of prophesy, either positive or negative.

When is this ever going to end? All in the name of religion, no wonder people hate religion.

Edited November 22, 2016 by Tacenda

[RevTestament]

9 hours ago, rodheadlee said:

Was it necessary for Trump to be elected for the Cardston Temple Vision to become true? Or rather did the vision foresee the election of Trump? The vision has WWWIII being the followers of Islam and Buddha fighting the so called followers of Christ. If Hillary would have been elected we would have gone to war with Russia. I wished I would have saved the link but there were comments by Russian posters on the Washington Post's first article about Trump winning  to the effect that if Hillary would have won, the missiles would have flown. Trump is more anti Chinese than anti Russian and perceives China as a threat. I pretty much sat all amazed as I watched Trump win on election night. I didn't see how the vision could be true if Hillary had won, which was fully expected.There are other facets of the vision being fulfilled right now too. What do you all think?

"  I saw that the opposing forces were roughly divided by so-called Christianity on the one side, and by the so-called followers of Mohammed and Buddha on the other. I saw that the great driving power within these so-called Christian nations, was the Great Apostasy of Rome, in all its political, social and religious aspects. I saw the worldwide dislocation and devastation of production and slaughter of people occur more swiftly and upon a larger scale than ever before. I saw an antagonism begin to express itself from those so-cal1ed Christian nations against your people. I saw those with a similar faith to yours in the far east begin to look toward Palestine for safety"

http://www.reliefmine.com/articles/prophecy/93-the-cardston-temple-vision-world-war-iii

Here is a major sticking point with me about her "vision" even before I try to understand it. She places Buddhists against Christians. Anyone who knows about Buddhism would have difficulty with this statement. Buddhism is one of the most pacifist religions on earth. The Tibetan Buddhists did not fight against the Chinese incursion. Everything about their teachings mitigates against Buddhists taking up arms against Christians. Their central beliefs seem to preclude the possibility that they would take up arms to harm their fellowman except in self-defense. So this causes me to strongly discount this "vision" right off the bat.

Secondly, the only "vision" concerning the church I would trust would be one from a church member - probably a priesthood holder - not some cavalier temple visitor who was not impressed to be baptized into the church.

[Marmonboy]

Maybe by Buddhist she means generic Asian. China has a huge army, and the North Koreans will get help from (and presumably give help to)  anyone who hates their "enemies."

And her vision is not telling the Church what to do. Mind you, I'm not saying I believe her, but Mormons aren't the only people on earth who can gain spiritual insights.

[rodheadlee]

10 hours ago, HappyJackWagon said:

Gotta be honest. This post is kind of a mess and difficult to decipher.

Are you claiming Trump is followed by the Christians or by the Buddists and Muslims? Are you claiming Trumps election protects from war or will cast us into war? I honestly don't know what you're trying to say.

In any case, I don't think that Trump's election is a fulfillment of prophesy, either positive or negative.

I'm saying that our chances for war with Russia decreased with election of Trump and our chances for war with China increased. If Hillary had been elected it would have been the opposite.

[sunstoned]

13 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

I doubt that Trump is the "Manchurian Candidate," or that he has anything remotely to do with that 1933 vision of a Quaker lady who visited the Cardston Temple before its dedication.  Seems to me that WW II itself fulfilled the most important parts of her vision, if it was a true vision of God at all.  Trump might as likely be either the Beast of Revelation, or just an unimportant and temporary clown act.  Whatever the case, his reign is surely to be accompanied by chaos and disruption of normal international relations.

Agreed. Unimportant and temporary clown act is much more likely. 

[cinepro]

I like how it's a vision given in 1921 (and published in 1933?) but titled " The Cardston Temple Vision - World War III ".  That would be like someone having a vision now and calling it "A Vision of World War 4".

I think that, in and of itself, would raise lots of questions.  Like "Hey, why couldn't God give us a vision of the World War that will be happening in a few years and in our lifetime...?"

[hope_for_things]

Did even one of these predictions come true?  Seems like a bunch of garbled day dreams to me.   

[Boanerges]

6 hours ago, cinepro said:

I like how it's a vision given in 1921 (and published in 1933?) but titled " The Cardston Temple Vision - World War III ".  That would be like someone having a vision now and calling it "A Vision of World War 4".

I think that, in and of itself, would raise lots of questions.  Like "Hey, why couldn't God give us a vision of the World War that will be happening in a few years and in our lifetime...?"

Agreed. World War I wasn't called World War I until after World War II began. Before that it was mostly called "The Great War."  It was also sometimes known as the War to End All Wars." Hence, calling something "World War III" makes little sense in view of the idea people of the time did not yet know of World War II.

That said, while I do think it's entirely possible for someone not a Mormon to have a vision I do not believe this one or the Trump election heralds WWIII. However, in light of the prepper thread, I am going to begin work on my bunker and personal arsenal post haste!

[Woody]

The center of Italy is at 43N 12E more or less, and (assuming y'all understand the earth is a globe) opposite to that on the globe is 43S 168W, 5-600 miles east of New Zealand, south of Samoa. If the prophesy is true, and world war will break out in the Pacific, how do you stretch Italy to fit that?

[rodheadlee]

16 hours ago, cinepro said:

I like how it's a vision given in 1921 (and published in 1933?) but titled " The Cardston Temple Vision - World War III ".  That would be like someone having a vision now and calling it "A Vision of World War 4".

I think that, in and of itself, would raise lots of questions.  Like "Hey, why couldn't God give us a vision of the World War that will be happening in a few years and in our lifetime...?"

If you read the whole vision WW3 is the war that leads to the Great Tribulation and  the Second Coming of Christ.

[waveslider]

On 11/22/2016 at 5:16 AM, rodheadlee said:

Was it necessary for Trump to be elected for the Cardston Temple Vision to become true? Or rather did the vision foresee the election of Trump? The vision has WWWIII being the followers of Islam and Buddha fighting the so called followers of Christ. If Hillary would have been elected we would have gone to war with Russia. I wished I would have saved the link but there were comments by Russian posters on the Washington Post's first article about Trump winning  to the effect that if Hillary would have won, the missiles would have flown. Trump is more anti Chinese than anti Russian and perceives China as a threat. I pretty much sat all amazed as I watched Trump win on election night. I didn't see how the vision could be true if Hillary had won, which was fully expected.There are other facets of the vision being fulfilled right now too. What do you all think?

"  I saw that the opposing forces were roughly divided by so-called Christianity on the one side, and by the so-called followers of Mohammed and Buddha on the other. I saw that the great driving power within these so-called Christian nations, was the Great Apostasy of Rome, in all its political, social and religious aspects. I saw the worldwide dislocation and devastation of production and slaughter of people occur more swiftly and upon a larger scale than ever before. I saw an antagonism begin to express itself from those so-cal1ed Christian nations against your people. I saw those with a similar faith to yours in the far east begin to look toward Palestine for safety"

http://www.reliefmine.com/articles/prophecy/93-the-cardston-temple-vision-world-war-iii

I don't know if it would have mattered so much as to who was in which side of war, as much as who gets sent in after devastating wars like WWWIII would be. It is usually the U.N. Peacekeepers (The blue helmets) who get sent in. If you look at who makes up most of this force, you will see that China and Muslim nations are the greatest contributors for volunteers in this force, by far outweighing any Christian nation volunteers. It will be the Peacekeepers who are to be sent in to allegedly, "keep the peace," until a government can rise to the occasion and, "keep the peace," once again. I doubt that the U.S. would remain a country in the case of a major war and destruction that most prophecies seem to depict. I have a feeling that the Elders of our church would be the ones holding to the U.S. Flag and the constitution, not the political leaders that would get displaced. It seems in this type of scenario that it would be largely, Muslim and Buddhist believing troops who would be against an uprising of nationalists who would want to retake the power vacuum that a broken U.S. would leave behind. I don't think it has anything to do with Trump's election Here are the next couple of paragraphs below the one you quoted in the Cardston vision:

"I saw the international world war automatically break down, and national revolution occur in every country, and complete the work of chaos and desolation. I saw geological disturbances occur, which helped in this work as if it were intended to do so. I saw the Cardston Temple preserved from all of this geological upheaval. I saw the international boundary line disappear as these two governments broke up and dissolved into chaos. I saw race rioting upon the American continent on a vast scale.

I saw hunger and starvation in this world; I saw disease produced by hunger, strife and chaos complete the end of this present order or epoch. How long these events were in reaching this consummation I do not know, but my impression was from the outbreak of the international war these things developed into a continuous procession, and almost ran concurrently, as it is with a sickness, the various symptoms are all in evidence at one and the same time, but in different stages of development."

It seems like it describes the U.N. as I can see Rome fully supporting the U.N. in a major leading role. Just my two cents worth anyway.

 

[rodheadlee]

On 11/23/2016 at 2:19 PM, Woody said:

The center of Italy is at 43N 12E more or less, and (assuming y'all understand the earth is a globe) opposite to that on the globe is 43S 168W, 5-600 miles east of New Zealand, south of Samoa. If the prophesy is true, and world war will break out in the Pacific, how do you stretch Italy to fit that?

There are 69.5 million members of the Catholic Church in the USA. An attack on the Philippines, Guam or American Samoa by China or North Korea coinciding with an attack on the Vatican by ISIS would do the job. It wouldn't take long for other countries to take sides.

" The Catholic Church in the United States is part of the worldwide Catholic Church. With 69.5 million members, it is the largest religious body in the United States, comprising 22% of the population^[1] as of 2015.^[2] The United States has the fourth largest Catholic population in the world, after Brazil, Mexico and the Philippines,^[3] the largest Catholic minority population, and the largest English-speaking Catholic population. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_in_the_United_States

[rodheadlee]

On 11/22/2016 at 7:46 AM, Duncan said:

Pres. Edward J. Wood was a stand up man- I wonder though about the 1921 date as the Temple wasn't dedicated until 1923. I think the impressions are a bunch of higgledy piggledy I think for this reason we stick to the sustained leaders of the Church for revelation, not some unnamed lady who visited a Temple all those years ago

The reason it has had an impression on me is I have had similar visions. I have told no one but my wife until now. the visions do come a bit chaotic but they are hard to forget.

[cinepro]

On 11/23/2016 at 4:19 PM, rodheadlee said:

If you read the whole vision WW3 is the war that leads to the Great Tribulation and  the Second Coming of Christ.

What happens if we have another "world war" that doesn't lead to the second coming?  Are LDS going to be insisting "No, this wasn't World War 3, it was World War 2.5...!"

[rodheadlee]

1 hour ago, cinepro said:

What happens if we have another "world war" that doesn't lead to the second coming?  Are LDS going to be insisting "No, this wasn't World War 3, it was World War 2.5...!"

The next World War will probably be the last world war with all of the nukes flying. You had better hope Christ comes to clean up the mess.

 

[PeterPear]

On 11/22/2016 at 8:16 AM, rodheadlee said:

Was it necessary for Trump to be elected for the Cardston Temple Vision to become true? Or rather did the vision foresee the election of Trump? The vision has WWWIII being the followers of Islam and Buddha fighting the so called followers of Christ. If Hillary would have been elected we would have gone to war with Russia. I wished I would have saved the link but there were comments by Russian posters on the Washington Post's first article about Trump winning  to the effect that if Hillary would have won, the missiles would have flown. Trump is more anti Chinese than anti Russian and perceives China as a threat. I pretty much sat all amazed as I watched Trump win on election night. I didn't see how the vision could be true if Hillary had won, which was fully expected.There are other facets of the vision being fulfilled right now too. What do you all think?

"  I saw that the opposing forces were roughly divided by so-called Christianity on the one side, and by the so-called followers of Mohammed and Buddha on the other. I saw that the great driving power within these so-called Christian nations, was the Great Apostasy of Rome, in all its political, social and religious aspects. I saw the worldwide dislocation and devastation of production and slaughter of people occur more swiftly and upon a larger scale than ever before. I saw an antagonism begin to express itself from those so-cal1ed Christian nations against your people. I saw those with a similar faith to yours in the far east begin to look toward Palestine for safety"

http://www.reliefmine.com/articles/prophecy/93-the-cardston-temple-vision-world-war-iii

This is idiotic. I've read this before and it's a waste. I didn't even click on the link to read it again.

This supposed vision is also used by the AVOW group who believe one General Conference Day the Prophet will announce that everyone with a year supply of food, etc. are to travel to top of the mountains to some pre-made sites and live in their tents and other supplies until the Second Coming. Everyone will live in tent cities and have space heaters and stoves and live off the land with the campsites having guards with guns and all will survive for months if not years including during the winter in 20' of snow and bitter cold. The guards will fight off all the stragglers who weren't prepared and will attempt to invade the campsites with its abundant supply of food.

Temple ordinances will be performed in said tents, while all around them in the valleys and cities below - including GrandMa and GrandPa left behind in Senior living centers - will be destroyed by a deolating scourge which will cause the evil people to die on the spot from a horrible disease which will melt them into a pile of bloody goo and gore. Then a comet will pass by in the heavens its gravitational pull will rip apart the Continent of North America along the Mississippi River causing the Great Lakes to flood the interior of the United States - and all will be CHAOS!

If you pay AVOW $14.99 a month you'll learn more. LOL!

[Teancum]

On 11/22/2016 at 10:16 AM, rodheadlee said:

Was it necessary for Trump to be elected for the Cardston Temple Vision to become true? Or rather did the vision foresee the election of Trump? The vision has WWWIII being the followers of Islam and Buddha fighting the so called followers of Christ. If Hillary would have been elected we would have gone to war with Russia. I wished I would have saved the link but there were comments by Russian posters on the Washington Post's first article about Trump winning  to the effect that if Hillary would have won, the missiles would have flown. Trump is more anti Chinese than anti Russian and perceives China as a threat. I pretty much sat all amazed as I watched Trump win on election night. I didn't see how the vision could be true if Hillary had won, which was fully expected.There are other facets of the vision being fulfilled right now too. What do you all think?

"  I saw that the opposing forces were roughly divided by so-called Christianity on the one side, and by the so-called followers of Mohammed and Buddha on the other. I saw that the great driving power within these so-called Christian nations, was the Great Apostasy of Rome, in all its political, social and religious aspects. I saw the worldwide dislocation and devastation of production and slaughter of people occur more swiftly and upon a larger scale than ever before. I saw an antagonism begin to express itself from those so-cal1ed Christian nations against your people. I saw those with a similar faith to yours in the far east begin to look toward Palestine for safety"

http://www.reliefmine.com/articles/prophecy/93-the-cardston-temple-vision-world-war-iii

Sound like a lot of delusion to me.

[Teancum]

On 11/24/2016 at 11:20 PM, rodheadlee said:

The reason it has had an impression on me is I have had similar visions. I have told no one but my wife until now. the visions do come a bit chaotic but they are hard to forget.

Are you smoking something when you get these so called visions?  why should we trust this woman or you?

[rodheadlee]

24 minutes ago, Teancum said:

Are you smoking something when you get these so called visions?  why should we trust this woman or you?

No. I quit smoking pot many moons ago. I never said anything about trusting me but I would like to know if any others have had the same visions. or if the Holy Spirit has told them the Cardston Temple vision is true.