TheSkepticChristian Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) On 6/21/2016 at 1:05 AM, VideoGameJunkie said: Is there something wrong with the Dalai Lama? Yes, Dalai Lama believes in Science. Dalai Lama believes in Biological Evolution and Global Warming. "Dalai Lama says strong action on climate change is a human responsibility" https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/20/dalai-lama-says-strong-action-on-climate-change-is-a-human-responsibility 8 hours ago, thesometimesaint said: I think it is a good thing to learn about other religious faiths. all of them? Here is something useful about Buddhism Edited June 26, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian
The Nehor Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 1 hour ago, TheSkepticChristian said: Yes, Dalai Lama believes in Science. Dalai Lama believes in Biological Evolution and Global Warming. "Dalai Lama says strong action on climate change is a human responsibility" https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/20/dalai-lama-says-strong-action-on-climate-change-is-a-human-responsibility I agree with him. Next. 1 hour ago, TheSkepticChristian said: all of them? Here is something useful about Buddhism And?
TheSkepticChristian Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 2 hours ago, The Nehor said: I agree with him. Next. Good!
Damien the Leper Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 13 hours ago, ERayR said: And you know this how? A close friend (and former LDS) went to a limited attendance teaching of the Dalai Lama last summer in Australia. He asked the DL about his perspective on various theist groups. The DL was unconcerned with them.
thatjimguy Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) My goodness! Why would it even be considered something bad for them to meet? I mean, tolerance for other religions ring a bell? As for you folks that are taking light the idea of him thinking he is a manifestation of Budda, I mean, you do realize we claim some wild sounding stuff ourselves, yes? Why do some of you make it sound as soon as they meet, they must participate in some kind of chest beating contest? They are both respective leaders of their religion. One thing I always thought was beautiful when I joined the church, is the picture of Jesus standing with the Nephites. The thought dawned on me that Jesus would not just talk to part of his flock (such as Jerusalem only), but the entire world. Sure, I believe we have the fullness of the Gospel (to what has been released for far), but I don't see the Dalia Lama as someone who should be snubbed as if he snorts lines of the Dark Side. Edited June 26, 2016 by thatjimguy 1
Kenngo1969 Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 (edited) On 6/24/2016 at 10:43 PM, Valentinus said: No. He just has no use for Mormonism. Mormonism is barely a blip on his radar Good. Then this whole discussion ("I can't believe the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints only sent a couple of [Gasp! ] junior apostles to meet with His Holiness!" ) is kinda pointless. Edited June 26, 2016 by Kenngo1969 3
thesometimesaint Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 12 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: Yes, Dalai Lama believes in Science. Dalai Lama believes in Biological Evolution and Global Warming. "Dalai Lama says strong action on climate change is a human responsibility" https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/20/dalai-lama-says-strong-action-on-climate-change-is-a-human-responsibility all of them? Here is something useful about Buddhism We believe in truth no matter where it comes from. Sorry that you don't.
Calm Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 10 hours ago, Valentinus said: A close friend (and former LDS) went to a limited attendance teaching of the Dalai Lama last summer in Australia. He asked the DL about his perspective on various theist groups. The DL was unconcerned with them. I am confused. If the Dalai Lama has no interest in religious groups, then why is he bothering to meet with said groups' leaders and why would any leader waste both their time to meet him? 1
Damien the Leper Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Calm said: I am confused. If the Dalai Lama has no interest in religious groups, then why is he bothering to meet with said groups' leaders and why would any leader waste both their time to meet him? He has no interest in the theologies of these groups. As a humanitarian, he'll meet others as a gesture of goodwill. For him, meeting an LDS apostle is the same as meeting any other person on the street. Essentially, he's meeting a person and not a person with a religion. 1
Calm Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 It makes most sense then for him to meet with leaders who are directly involved in the humanitarian efforts he is interested in or they want to get him interested in and ignore all the status appearances, even if it means he meets no one but Sharon Eubank (assuming she is the one still in charge of the department) though probably better the committee of leaders she works with.
Jeanne Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 5 minutes ago, Valentinus said: He has no interest in the theologies of these groups. As a humanitarian, he'll meet others as a gesture of goodwill. For him, meeting an LDS apostle is the same as meeting any other person on the street. Essentially, he's meeting a person and not a person with a religion. I like this idea..I mean, we all have different views..but we also put our pants on one leg at a time
thesometimesaint Posted June 27, 2016 Posted June 27, 2016 19 hours ago, Valentinus said: He has no interest in the theologies of these groups. As a humanitarian, he'll meet others as a gesture of goodwill. For him, meeting an LDS apostle is the same as meeting any other person on the street. Essentially, he's meeting a person and not a person with a religion. I would say that he has no interest in converting to another theology. Which is his right. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Damien the Leper Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 13 hours ago, thesometimesaint said: I would say that he has no interest in converting to another theology. Which is his right. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. He has no temporal or eternal reason to embrace other theologies.
thesometimesaint Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 9 hours ago, Valentinus said: He has no temporal or eternal reason to embrace other theologies. His right. Bu as I said learning about other peoples religions isn't the same thing as converting to them.
TheSkepticChristian Posted July 3, 2016 Posted July 3, 2016 On 6/26/2016 at 9:30 AM, thesometimesaint said: We believe in truth no matter where it comes from. Sorry that you don't.
BCSpace Posted July 3, 2016 Posted July 3, 2016 On 6/20/2016 at 9:32 PM, Johnnie Cake said: Evidentially they did meet him in 2001 but have no plans to when he comes to SLC this time .. other than a lower ranked member of the 12. But then the pope didn't meet with him either so they'd be in good company Yes, I believe they should meet and then issue a joint public statement calling for an end to the Chinese Communist regime and a free and independent Tibet.
theplains Posted July 5, 2016 Posted July 5, 2016 On 21/06/2016 at 6:00 PM, Jeanne said: His religion is kindness. I, for one, would love to see Pres. Monson do something! Maybe he could renounce a former teaching of the LDS Church. "It is absolutely repugnant to the very soul of man to think that a civilized, intelligent being might become a dog, a cow, a cat; that he might be transformed into another shape, another kind of being. It is absolutely repulsive, and so opposed to the great truth of God, that has been revealed from the beginning, that he is from the beginning always the same, that he cannot change, and that his children cannot change." (Gospel Doctrine, pages 33-34). Regards, Jim
thesometimesaint Posted July 5, 2016 Posted July 5, 2016 38 minutes ago, theplains said: Maybe he could renounce a former teaching of the LDS Church. "It is absolutely repugnant to the very soul of man to think that a civilized, intelligent being might become a dog, a cow, a cat; that he might be transformed into another shape, another kind of being. It is absolutely repulsive, and so opposed to the great truth of God, that has been revealed from the beginning, that he is from the beginning always the same, that he cannot change, and that his children cannot change." (Gospel Doctrine, pages 33-34). Regards, Jim The LDS, and most Christians, don't believe that our spirit will ever become the spirit of another animal. We don't believe in that type of reincarnation. 1
TheSkepticChristian Posted July 6, 2016 Posted July 6, 2016 On 6/21/2016 at 9:22 AM, Sky said: I would say an unequivocal yes! I say no
Rajah Manchou Posted July 6, 2016 Posted July 6, 2016 10 hours ago, thesometimesaint said: The LDS, and most Christians, don't believe that our spirit will ever become the spirit of another animal. We don't believe in that type of reincarnation. Neither do Buddhists. "Do you Buddhists believe in rebirth as an animal in the next life? Are you going to be a dog or a cow in the future? Does the soul transmigrate into the body of another person or some animal? What is the difference between transmigration and reincarnation? Is it the same as rebirth? Is karma the same as fate? These and a hundred similar questions are often put to me. A gross misunderstanding of about Buddhism exists today, especially in the notion of reincarnation. The common misunderstanding is that a person has led countless previous lives, usually as an animal, but somehow in this life he is born as a human being and in the next life he will be reborn as an animal, depending on the kind of life he has lived. Reincarnation is not a simple physical birth of a person; for instance, John being reborn as a cat in the next life. In this case John possesses an immortal soul which transforms to the form of a cat after his death. This cycle is repeated over and over again. Or if he is lucky, he will be reborn as a human being. This notion of the transmigration of the soul definitely does not exist in Buddhism." http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/reincarnation.htm
thesometimesaint Posted July 6, 2016 Posted July 6, 2016 7 hours ago, Rajah Manchou said: Neither do Buddhists. "Do you Buddhists believe in rebirth as an animal in the next life? Are you going to be a dog or a cow in the future? Does the soul transmigrate into the body of another person or some animal? What is the difference between transmigration and reincarnation? Is it the same as rebirth? Is karma the same as fate? These and a hundred similar questions are often put to me. A gross misunderstanding of about Buddhism exists today, especially in the notion of reincarnation. The common misunderstanding is that a person has led countless previous lives, usually as an animal, but somehow in this life he is born as a human being and in the next life he will be reborn as an animal, depending on the kind of life he has lived. Reincarnation is not a simple physical birth of a person; for instance, John being reborn as a cat in the next life. In this case John possesses an immortal soul which transforms to the form of a cat after his death. This cycle is repeated over and over again. Or if he is lucky, he will be reborn as a human being. This notion of the transmigration of the soul definitely does not exist in Buddhism." http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/reincarnation.htm Didn't say the Buddhist did. Hindu's do however. I was commenting of Jim's misleading quote.
Rajah Manchou Posted July 6, 2016 Posted July 6, 2016 1 hour ago, thesometimesaint said: Didn't say the Buddhist did. Hindu's do however. I was commenting of Jim's misleading quote. Some Hindus might believe in transmigration, others might believe the entire universe (including all the cats and dogs within) is an illusion. There are probably even Hindus that believe they will be reborn in a Christian Heaven or Hell. There really isn't one doctrine of Hinduism. Jim's quote was addressing the beliefs of theosophy, a system mostly based in esoteric strains of Christianity, Judaism and other western traditions. I'm not pointing this out to be a smart aleck but because there is a lot of misunderstanding out there. It'd be wonderful if LDS Church leaders did meet with the Dalai Lama, or leaders from any other religion, to discuss beliefs and clear misconceptions on both sides.
thesometimesaint Posted July 6, 2016 Posted July 6, 2016 There is probably as much diversity in Hinduism as there is in Christianity. I haven't made an in-depth study of it. So don't know for sure. I too think that it would be wonderful for them to meet. Understanding what others believe is a good thing. 1
MiserereNobis Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 On 6/26/2016 at 3:04 PM, Valentinus said: He has no interest in the theologies of these groups. As a humanitarian, he'll meet others as a gesture of goodwill. For him, meeting an LDS apostle is the same as meeting any other person on the street. Essentially, he's meeting a person and not a person with a religion. This is incorrect. I recommend this book: The Good Heart. It is the proceedings of a conference where the Dalai Lama meets with the World Community for Christian Meditation. He comments on passages from the New Testament. He was very much interested in theology. 2
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