Johnnie Cake Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) Evidentially they did meet him in 2001 but have no plans to when he comes to SLC this time .. other than a lower ranked member of the 12. But then the pope didn't meet with him either so they'd be in good company Edited June 21, 2016 by Johnnie Cake
Popular Post The Nehor Posted June 21, 2016 Popular Post Posted June 21, 2016 2 hours ago, Johnnie Cake said: Evidentially they did wet him in 2001 but have no plans to when he comes to SLC this time .. other than a lower ranked member of the 12. But then the pope didn't meet with him either so they'd be in good company Only an apostle? Wow, talk about a snub. 9
VideoGameJunkie Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 Is there something wrong with the Dalai Lama?
Maedros Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 3 hours ago, Johnnie Cake said: Evidentially they did wet him in 2001 but have no plans to when he comes to SLC this time .. other than a lower ranked member of the 12. But then the pope didn't meet with him either so they'd be in good company You mean 'evidently' they did 'meet' him in 2001. It's likely that we will meet with him or at least I hope we will even if its with (as you say) "a lower ranked member of the 12".
Guest Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 4 hours ago, The Nehor said: Only an apostle? Wow, talk about a snub. I only ever met a Prophet once, but that was just a cool happening. I wonder which Apostle they are pushing off on this poor slob.
USU78 Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 8 hours ago, Johnnie Cake said: Evidentially they did wet him in 2001 but have no plans to when he comes to SLC this time .. other than a lower ranked member of the 12. But then the pope didn't meet with him either so they'd be in good company Guy's a lousy tipper who never picks up a check ...
Avatar4321 Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 I think the real question is why would it matter ? How does it affect the work? Will people be persuaded to come to Christ from this meeting? Will it take anyone away? does the dalai lama even want to meet with anyone? Will he accept a.book of Mormon? 1
gopher Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 10 hours ago, Johnnie Cake said: Evidentially they did wet him in 2001 but have no plans to when he comes to SLC this time .. other than a lower ranked member of the 12. But then the pope didn't meet with him either so they'd be in good company Is "wet" British slang for "baptized"? Now that would be a real story!
RevTestament Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 While I have great respect for the teachings of Buddha as a lifestyle, the guy thinks he is Buddha - it's just a little touched - it would be like our president claiming to be Jesus. Would people clamor to meet him then? And to think only an apostle is going to meet him - wait isn't that what the president is? 1
Robert F. Smith Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 15 minutes ago, RevTestament said: While I have great respect for the teachings of Buddha as a lifestyle, the guy thinks he is Buddha - it's just a little touched - it would be like our president claiming to be Jesus. Would people clamor to meet him then? And to think only an apostle is going to meet him - wait isn't that what the president is? Quote His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama Tenzin Gyatso, is the head of state and spiritual leader of the Tibetan people. He was born Lhamo Dhondrub on 6 July 1935, in a small village called Taktser in northeastern Tibet. Born to a peasant family, His Holiness was recognized at the age of two, in accordance with Tibetan tradition, as the reincarnation of his predecessor the 13th Dalai Lama, and thus an incarnation Avalokitesvara, the Buddha of Compassion.The Dalai Lamas are the manifestations of the Bodhisattva (Buddha) of Compassion, who chose to reincarnate to serve the people. Lhamo Dhondrub was, as Dalai Lama, renamed Jetsun Jamphel Ngawang Lobsang Yeshe Tenzin Gyatso - Holy Lord, Gentle Glory, Compassionate, Defender of the Faith, Ocean of Wisdom. Tibetans normally refer to His Holiness as Yeshe Norbu, the Wishfulfilling Gem or simply Kundun - The Presence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNsJsnc5vFA . The LDS Church has many members in China, and it might anger the Chinese and make life difficult for our brethren there were Pres Monson to meet with the head of state of the Tibetan people -- since China does not recognize him as such, and is very sensitive about such matters. 1
Jeanne Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) I believe a whole interfaith conference with him would be a wonderful thing. There is not one thing that one religion could not learn from another. Greater understanding and actually listening with a peaceful, open heart, could bring about a universal change that all could benefit from. There are truths in each one of us. Edited June 21, 2016 by Jeanne 1
RevTestament Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 21 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said: The LDS Church has many members in China, and it might anger the Chinese and make life difficult for our brethren there were Pres Monson to meet with the head of state of the Tibetan people -- since China does not recognize him as such, and is very sensitive about such matters. While the church may have other considerations - I don't know - in the end we cannot kowtow to the concerns of the world. In this case I see nothing wrong with an apostle greeting the dalai lama.
Sky Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) I would say an unequivocal yes! It can only foster goodwill and understanding. And that is always needed in today's world. If Pres. Eyring can meet with the Pope, then I see no reason why the same couldn't or shouldn't be done with the Dalai Lama. Edited June 21, 2016 by Sky 1
ERayR Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 16 minutes ago, Sky said: I would say an unequivocal yes! It can only foster goodwill and understanding. And that is always needed in today's world. If Pres. Eyring can meet with the Pope, then I see no reason why the same couldn't or shouldn't be done with the Dalai Lama. 55 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said: The LDS Church has many members in China, and it might anger the Chinese and make life difficult for our brethren there were Pres Monson to meet with the head of state of the Tibetan people -- since China does not recognize him as such, and is very sensitive about such matters. See Robert F. Smith's post
Rajah Manchou Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, RevTestament said: While I have great respect for the teachings of Buddha as a lifestyle, the guy thinks he is Buddha - it's just a little touched - it would be like our president claiming to be Jesus. Would people clamor to meet him then? And to think only an apostle is going to meet him - wait isn't that what the president is? The Dalai Lama doesn't think he is the Buddha. The Tibetan people think he is a manifestation of a bodhisattva, or a buddha-to-be. There is an important difference between The Buddha and a bodhisattva. The Dalai Lama would never claim to be the Buddha, that'd be like President Monson claiming to be God instead of a man on the path to becoming a god. This Dalai Lama has commented many times before that he wishes he'd been born a simple monk and not the Dalai Lama. He's also made several comments that he might be the last Dalai Lama because with China exercising so much mind control over all the political (and sometimes spiritual) leaders of the World he doesn't see the need for the lineage to continue. Edited June 21, 2016 by Rajah Manchou
Kenngo1969 Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 As Robert F. Smith has astutely pointed out, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its leaders are walking something of a fine line here. As for anyone who is tempted to take umbrage on His Holiness's behalf ("Only an apostle ...!" [Snort/sniff]), I don't know for sure, and I certainly wouldn't presume to know His Holiness's mind, but I doubt His Holiness pays enough attention to the hierarchy of the Church of Jesus Christ to bother taking offense at such "slights" (even if I thought he were at all inclined to do so, and I don't). I'm reminded of when Naaman sought Elisha to cure him of his leprosy (see 2 Kings 5). Unlike Naaman, I doubt His Holiness takes any umbrage whatsoever at the prospect of meeting with a "mere apostle" versus meeting with the President of the Church.
CV75 Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 13 hours ago, Johnnie Cake said: Evidentially they did wet him in 2001 but have no plans to when he comes to SLC this time .. other than a lower ranked member of the 12. But then the pope didn't meet with him either so they'd be in good company Aren't his followers called the Dalai Lamanites? 3
stemelbow Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 2 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: The LDS Church has many members in China, and it might anger the Chinese and make life difficult for our brethren there were Pres Monson to meet with the head of state of the Tibetan people -- since China does not recognize him as such, and is very sensitive about such matters. you may be right but to kowtow to those who would make life difficult for people because they have a leader of their religion who met with the Dali Lama is doing nothing but enabling. Someone's got to take a stand for decency at some point. 1
Kenngo1969 Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 2 hours ago, Sky said: I would say an unequivocal yes! It can only foster goodwill and understanding. And that is always needed in today's world. If Pres. Eyring can meet with the Pope, then I see no reason why the same couldn't or shouldn't be done with the Dalai Lama. I'd bet (if I were a betting man, that is! ) that His Holiness, the Holy Father, took great umbrage at that: It seems to be just the sort of thing he's apt to do, given the fact that he hasn't eschewed any of the traditional trappings of his office (nay! indeed, he has demanded more!).
ksfisher Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 6 hours ago, USU78 said: Guy's a lousy tipper But on your death bed you'll have total consciousness.
Jeanne Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 His religion is kindness. I, for one, would love to see Pres. Monson do something!
The Nehor Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 8 hours ago, RevTestament said: While I have great respect for the teachings of Buddha as a lifestyle, the guy thinks he is Buddha - it's just a little touched - it would be like our president claiming to be Jesus. Would people clamor to meet him then? And to think only an apostle is going to meet him - wait isn't that what the president is? I give him credit. It looks like he is easing off the whole thing by saying he might be the last in the line.
The Nehor Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 35 minutes ago, Jeanne said: His religion is kindness. I, for one, would love to see Pres. Monson do something! His religion teaches that kindness is good. Not really the primary point of the religion. That would be like saying the LDS Church is about temples or about fasting. Part of the whole, but not the whole.
Jeanne Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 4 minutes ago, The Nehor said: His religion teaches that kindness is good. Not really the primary point of the religion. That would be like saying the LDS Church is about temples or about fasting. Part of the whole, but not the whole. This is true..but basically, his "religion is kindness" idea is his philosophy.
Kenngo1969 Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 5 hours ago, stemelbow said: you may be right but to kowtow to those who would make life difficult for people because they have a leader of their religion who met with the Dali Lama is doing nothing but enabling. Someone's got to take a stand for decency at some point. You remind me of Evangelicals who essentially accuse the Latter-day Saints of cowardice for not proselyting in places where such activity is forbidden. All things must be done "in wisdom and order" (Mosiah 4:27). Paul wrote of those who have "a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge" (Romans 10:2). "I will hasten my work," said the Lord, but then added an important caveat: "In its time." I remember people saying that East Germany wouldn't be opened to the preaching of the Restored Gospel in my lifetime, but not only was it opened to the preaching of the Gospel, that event occurred relatively soon on the heels of some of those pronouncements. It didn't happen because leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said, "Sc*** you. We'll preach where we want." It happened because Church leaders were savvy and sensitive to East German leaders' concerns even if they didn't share those concerns. This led to a reduction in suspicion and an increase in trust between the parties until East German leaders felt comfortable enough to allow proselyting.
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