ksfisher Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 2 hours ago, stemelbow said: Who wants joy when so many are suffering in this world? I'm not sure I completely understand what you're saying here. Are you saying that because some suffer in this world (and actually all suffer at some point) that no one should have joy? That because there are children dying somewhere that a new mother and father can't experience joy at the birth of their child? I don't think joy and sorrow are mutually exclusive. One can have joy at the birth of a child or other similar event and still feel sorrow for the suffering of others. 2
Duncan Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 20 minutes ago, halconero said: Well there's your problem you old fart! hahahahahaha! I knew I like you for a reason!
Mystery Meat Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Atheist Mormon said: I disagree with you, what part of God/Jesus Plan offers free will? Not word of Wisdom rules, You can't skip the church regularly, especially not for a good weekend in Wendower or Mesquite...There's never an healthy balance of gratification for a TBM, I mean.....even drinking a beer or a cup of black tea is impossible....I'm European, when I was in France,Switzerland with the missionaries (I wasn't one) I always used to tease them "Now I realize that you are bringing the good news to them but how do they take the bad news of giving up their Wine,Tea and beer?" They knew I was joking but deep down they knew this was an insurmountable problem..... A good weekend in Wendover? There is no such thing. And it is little wonder why anyone who believes there is, is no longer a member of the Church.
stemelbow Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 2 hours ago, ksfisher said: I'm not sure I completely understand what you're saying here. Are you saying that because some suffer in this world (and actually all suffer at some point) that no one should have joy? That because there are children dying somewhere that a new mother and father can't experience joy at the birth of their child? I don't think joy and sorrow are mutually exclusive. One can have joy at the birth of a child or other similar event and still feel sorrow for the suffering of others. I'm taking us off topic. I retract my question.
The Nehor Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 5 hours ago, stemelbow said: Yiptey. Many of the highest baptizing ones were the worst ones. That's how they were the highest baptizing. Breaking rules and letting it all hang out. I know because mine was the same--highest baptizing. Well, mine was good for the most part.
Atheist Mormon Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 3 hours ago, bluebell said: Not being able to drink beer, tea, or wine is insurmountable? No, Not having the choice is. 1
stemelbow Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 17 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Well, mine was good for the most part. Well how do all these exceptional missionaries that are called to your area fail to accomplish as much as the weaselly chumps that found themselves on a mission with you?
Atheist Mormon Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 Just now, Atheist Mormon said: No, Not having the choice is. When I became member this bothered me alot, not being able to drink tea.....Year is 1976, I'm happy to be in the the Church, I quit smoking (cold turkey, in three days....I still think that was the greatest achievement of my life, but a cup of tea...?After few months I started drinking my tea...I had no guilt feelings whatsoever...because i knew tea was harmless, and would not keep a commandment just because my bishop or prophet decreed. And I realized this was an obedience issue.
The Nehor Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 7 minutes ago, stemelbow said: Well how do all these exceptional missionaries that are called to your area fail to accomplish as much as the weaselly chumps that found themselves on a mission with you? Computers are supposed to operate in binary. You are not. My saying the elders in my mission were not as strong generally as the current crop is not saying my mission was filled with useless layabout. I mean, yes, I was there, but I alone do not skew the average.
Rock_N_Roll Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 3 hours ago, Mystery Meat said: A good weekend in Wendover? There is no such thing. And it is little wonder why anyone who believes there is, is no longer a member of the Church. Wait a minute...I've had a few good weekends in Wendover. Maybe it depends on why you go there? I've seen some great concerts at the Peppermill concert hall...and I am STILL a member of the church.
stemelbow Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 14 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Computers are supposed to operate in binary. You are not. My saying the elders in my mission were not as strong generally as the current crop is not saying my mission was filled with useless layabout. I mean, yes, I was there, but I alone do not skew the average. Well I didnt' introduce the concept of more baptisms as being a measure of good missionary versus bad. Anywhos I find your idea of the missionaries of today being better than in past days a bit off. What more to say. Have a good one.
The Nehor Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 6 hours ago, stemelbow said: Who wants joy when so many are suffering in this world? There is misery in the world therefore we should seek misery? Sounds like hell's philosophy.
bluebell Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 46 minutes ago, Atheist Mormon said: No, Not having the choice is. Choosing "no" isn't the same as having no choice, though.
stemelbow Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 13 minutes ago, The Nehor said: There is misery in the world therefore we should seek misery? Sounds like hell's philosophy. Everyone who suffers is in hell? Not sure about that. It's more of a philosophy to say we're all in this together, so let's mourn with those that mourn and help those who are in need.
Jeanne Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Rock_N_Roll said: Wait a minute...I've had a few good weekends in Wendover. Maybe it depends on why you go there? I've seen some great concerts at the Peppermill concert hall...and I am STILL a member of the church. I love going to Bendover...at least twice a year I go..free room..free meals..and a nice getaway. I went and saw "Air Supply" concert and I loved it! Edited April 18, 2016 by Jeanne
The Nehor Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 5 minutes ago, stemelbow said: Everyone who suffers is in hell? Not sure about that. It's more of a philosophy to say we're all in this together, so let's mourn with those that mourn and help those who are in need. By being miserable. No thanks. I will help but not by multiplying suffering like a self-flagellating nut.
stemelbow Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, The Nehor said: By being miserable. No thanks. I will help but not by multiplying suffering like a self-flagellating nut. We all draw a line with our help somewhere. none of us are Jesus, after all.
The Nehor Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 1 minute ago, stemelbow said: We all draw a line with our help somewhere. none of us are Jesus, after all. Jesus taking upon himself suffering was helping. My suffering has no such effect.
stemelbow Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Jesus taking upon himself suffering was helping. My suffering has no such effect. Then stop your suffering.
The Nehor Posted April 19, 2016 Posted April 19, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, stemelbow said: Then stop your suffering. I do as I can. You are the one suggesting joy is wrong when there is so much suffering. Edited April 19, 2016 by The Nehor
Tacenda Posted April 19, 2016 Posted April 19, 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, Jeanne said: I love going to Bendover...at least twice a year I go..free room..free meals..and a nice getaway. I went and saw "Air Supply" concert and I loved it! I've been to a couple of concerts too, "Little River Band" and "Eddie Rabbit". But will never set foot on a Fun Bus again. Edited April 19, 2016 by Tacenda 1
Russell C McGregor Posted April 19, 2016 Posted April 19, 2016 On 14/04/2016 at 2:47 AM, rockpond said: It might be useful for you to consider that it's possible to believe the doctrines without necessarily believing that the institutional church still has control over their eternal salvation and exaltation. I imagine you'll doubt and debate this but I'm not going to derail with that... there are people who believe that way. I'm just putting it out there as added perspective to the point you made above. I guess it is possible to believe the doctrines without necessarily believing in the need to make sacred covenants in holy places and then keep them throughout our lives. It's just not very logically coherent.
VideoGameJunkie Posted April 19, 2016 Posted April 19, 2016 Am I the only millennial that posts on this board?
Tacenda Posted April 19, 2016 Posted April 19, 2016 4 minutes ago, VideoGameJunkie said: Am I the only millennial that posts on this board? What makes you ask?? Our choice of Bendover concerts??
VideoGameJunkie Posted April 19, 2016 Posted April 19, 2016 14 minutes ago, Tacenda said: What makes you ask?? Our choice of Bendover concerts?? I ask because I feel I'm younger than all the other posters.
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