Conversion

[Tony Frank]

For those of you who did not see it in the other forum (as a brand new poster, it was the only forum in which I could post), this is my conversion story, and I am putting it out there for discussion, especially since we have something of a Catholic contingent posting here.

 

I grew up Catholic, but I stopped practicing Catholicism after I graduated from a Catholic grade school. I was actually ignorant of a certain Catholic teaching for the eight years I was there. I always thought that they knew that God was three separate and distinct beings.

But when I was in the eighth grade, I heard a Catholic priest talk about God choosing to manifest himself at any given time as either the Father, the Son, or the Holy Ghost. I brought up the Biblical details of the Savior’s baptism, which is when the Father spoke from Heaven while the Holy Ghost descended in the form of a dove. The priest stated that God was not three separate and distinct beings that existed all at the same time. I asked him to explain his statement in light of what took place when the Savior was baptized, and he got angry. It was then that I knew that Catholicism was not the truth.

Eight years later, in 1980, I confessed my sins to God and accepted Christ as my Savior. I believed in Jesus Christ and had faith in him since my childhood, and I knew that Christ died for my sins, but this was the first time I confessed to God that I was a sinner. It was then that I gained a testimony of the atoning sacrifice and forgiveness of sins by confessing to God that you are a sinner, which is usually known as “repentance.” Knowing my sins were forgiven, I considered myself a “Born Again Christian.”

I started trying to find a church to join in October 1997. It would be nine months before I would meet with success. I did, however, discover for myself that an apostasy had taken place and that the churches had “fallen away” from the true gospel.

I first had quite a negative experience with a certain church in November and December of 1997. After attending several of their meetings and hearing them talk about Jesus Christ, I found out that they did not believe in repentance. Even when I told a group of them that forgiveness of sins comes by confessing to God that you are a sinner, they still did not have a clue as to what I was talking about.

In January 1998, I saw ad on television for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that said they would send a free copy of the King James Bible. Since I took my Bible with me when I traveled on the bus, I thought it would be a good idea to have a second one in case I lost the one I had. I called the 800 number and ordered it, but I moved in February and never received it.

I continued to search for the right church, always praying to our Father in the name of Jesus Christ that He would give me guidance. With each church that I tried, the Spirit would tell me to keep looking.

By the second week of June 1998, I was getting somewhat desperate. I began fasting in addition to praying to find the right church. I would go without eating every Tuesday and Saturday from midnight to midnight.

Around the second week of July 1998, the Spirit told me to call that 800 number. I did not have the 800 number and I got rid of my television when I moved. I looked in the phone book, called the Church’s Washington Temple, and asked for the 800 number.

After I called it, they said it might take about 4 weeks to get to me. Well I did not want to wait, and I thought I would just go to the Temple and pick up a free Bible. (I did not know at the time that you could not do that. The free Bibles are either sent in the mail or delivered by missionaries.)

I checked the bus schedules and found out which bus I needed to take to get the Temple. I went about my business of trying to expose corruption in the government and, in the course of doing so, needed to take the very bus that would take me to the Temple. I was actually going to drop off some information with someone when I got on that bus.

As the bus traveled down the street, I could see the huge trees far off up ahead looking very tall, nice and sculpted. I could see something barely sticking up over one of the trees. (It was the very top of the angel Moroni!) It grabbed my attention and I could not take my eyes off of it. I had to know what was there that was so remarkably tall. Of course, as the bus got closer, it was not getting any easier for me to see.

The bus continued down Stoneybrook Drive, and as it went around the turn I tried to look through the heavy foliage to see what was there, but I could not see anything. The bus then passed the signs for the Temple and the Visitors Center, and I thought to myself, “That’s where it is! I just have to get off at that bus stop.”

I continued on to where I was going that day, and the next day I went and got on that same bus and got off at the Temple. As I walked across the parking lot, I prayed, “Father, in the name of Jesus I pray that I will know if this is the truth.”

I went into the Visitors’ Center intensely feeling the Spirit. At this point I was thinking that I needed to investigate the Book of Mormon, too. I told Elder Rich, who was serving a senior mission, about not wanting to wait for a free Bible and about my interest in the Book of Mormon. He said, “No problem. I’ll have the missionaries over there next week.”

He said to me, “Now, you are going to have to ask God if this is true.” I immediately started thinking I was in the right place because I had just done that.

I watched a movie about our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ visiting Joseph Smith, and I took home a pamphlet titled “Testimony of the Prophet Joseph Smith.”

Elder Kevin Mills handed me the Book of Mormon on Tuesday, July 21, 1998. I did not know anything about the missionary “discussions/lessons” at that time and after we chatted for a bit, I said, “Well, I got to get started reading.”

Elder Mills said, “Oh! You have some reading to do?”

I said, “Yeah. The Book of Mormon.” I started reading it right away.

I had read the New Testament twice in my 9-month search for the right church, and I learned the criterion for true prophets and false prophets. It is in 1 John, 4:1-3.

“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

“Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

“And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

The Book of Mormon is all about Jesus Christ coming to Earth, taking upon him flesh and blood, suffering and dying for the sins of man, and being resurrected on the third day. The Book of Mormon clearly states that the way to find salvation is to believe in Jesus Christ and confess to God that you are a sinner. In other words, “repent” and accept Christ as your Savior. It goes into detail by page 19, and it keeps getting better after that.

On Thursday, July 23rd, two days after receiving the Book of Mormon, I called Elder Mills and said, “I know this to be the Word of God.”

I could feel the spirit at the other end of the phone line. He mentioned something to me about lessons, and I thought, “I’ve got the Word of God in my hands! I don’t need lessons.” I told him I would get back to him on that.

I prayed about it as I continued reading the Book of Mormon and the Spirit told me to get the lessons, so I called Elder Mills on Friday and said I was going to get the lessons. He asked me if I wanted to go to church on Sunday and I jumped at the chance, knowing that I had found the “treasure hid in a field” of which the Savior spoke in Matthew 13:44.

On Sunday, July 26th, I attended my first Sacrament Meeting and I was very far into the Book of Mormon at this point. There happened to be a baptism that day, and Elder Mills and I went to it. We were both filled with the spirit and the excitement about my already having a strong testimony of the Book of Mormon.

Elder Mills said, “We’re going to get all those lessons in this week and I’m going to baptize you next week!”

As I took the lessons, the spirit was prompting me on things to read in the Bible while I was at home, and God revealed to me many of his precepts that had been lost during the apostasy. I read John 5:19 and Revelation 3:21, and when I saw the Elders again, I pointed out that in Revelation 3:21, the Savior said, “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.”

Then I pointed out that in John 5:19, the Savior said, “The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

I said that if the Son cannot do anything unless the Father has done it, and the Son overcame and was set down in his throne, then our Heavenly Father overcame and was set down in his throne, adding, “The Bible says so, and Jesus Christ said so.”

“Does this church teach that?” I asked. And the Elders nodded yes with wide-eyed astonishment.

The subject of the church not having any paid priests came up. Now, they had told me about the apostasy early on, and I had been prompted by the spirit to read Micah 3:10-11 in which the Lord specifically criticizes “priests” that “teach for hire.”

Not having priests who “teach for hire,” which is a Godly precept that is clearly explained in the Book of Mormon, was just more proof that the true Gospel of Jesus Christ had been restored.

I also read in Acts 8:14-17 about the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost after baptism, and when the Elders brought that up, it added to the proof that the Savior’s church had been restored on the earth in these latter days.

After attending my second sacrament meeting on August 2, 1998, I was baptized that same day. One week later, I received the gift of the Holy Ghost through the laying on of hands. I have read every word of the Book of Mormon from beginning to end many, many times since being baptized, including more than twenty times in the first five years, and I will continue to do so for the rest of my life.

It is through the gift of God that I know Jesus Christ has restored his gospel on the earth in these latter days, and it is through the gift of God that I know The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the kingdom of God on earth. It is, as Daniel prophesied in the Bible, “the stone cut out of the mountain without hands” that will fill the whole earth.

 

Is there anything in here with which people agree or disagree, or just have a different perspective?

[Meadowchik]

Thanks so much for your story, Tony!

 

My husband also grew up Catholic before he was baptised at age 20.  He's also always believed that God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are three distinct persons.

[Kevin Christensen]

You might find some resonance in comparing your story with the information here:

http://en.fairmormon.org/Biblical_Keys_for_Discerning_True_and_False_Prophets

Welcome to the board. My wife's Dad had a similar conversion story. He and a friend looked through the New Testament for characteristics of the true church, and tried various churches. Then one day this roommate said, "We have to move?"

"Why?"

"We're renting from Mormons"

Rather than moving, Shauna's Dad-to-be asked a few questions.

Best,

Kevin Christensen

Bethel Park, PA

[MiserereNobis]

It's too bad that you went to Catholic school and were never taught the mystery of the Holy Trinity.  It must have been a terrible Catholic school.  It would be like going to LDS seminary and institute and never finding out about Joseph Smith's first vision.

 

It's also too bad that the priest got angry.  There are many ways to explain, to the extant that it can be explained, the Holy Trinity and Christ's baptism.  The Holy Trinity is three Persons, but one Substance.

 

Now, I'm not going to derail this into a Trinity thread -- there are plenty of those already -- but I just wanted to comment on that.

 

God bless you on your journey.

[jkwilliams]

Welcome to the board. I'm glad you have found peace and fulfillment in the LDS church.

[Teancum]

Interesting story.  As a lifetime Latter day Saints who is fairly confident the LDS Church is not what it claims to be I am now a skeptic. But I do practice my LDS religion still though it become increasingly more difficult.  I do think if I were to join another Christian Church it would be the Catholic Church. The more I learn of it the more I like it.

[Tsuzuki]

Interesting story.  As a lifetime Latter day Saints who is fairly confident the LDS Church is not what it claims to be I am now a skeptic. But I do practice my LDS religion still though it become increasingly more difficult.  I do think if I were to join another Christian Church it would be the Catholic Church. The more I learn of it the more I like it.

Likewise, and I did join the Catholic Church a number of years ago. I've since found Satan, and no longer identify as Christian, but Catholicism is in my opinion the best example of Christianity.

 

Mormonism's still cool, though, 'cause it has occult stuff in it.

Edited October 27, 2015 by Tsuzuki

[changed]

Thank you for sharing your conversion story Tony, it uplifted my spirit.  My dad's family are all Catholic - wonderful people, but my dad now refuses to step foot into any church building because of the Catholic schools he went to...  Some of his siblings still say they are "Catholic" although they don't really go to church, or they go to other denominations now.. My grandmother still goes to church, although after the whole priests molesting boys thing she decided that "the Catholic church was true at one point, but is not true any more".   My mom's family has a bit of everything, including non-denominational just study in people's houses together type of deal.  My family's "multidisciplinary" religious beliefs allowed me the freedom to search out and find the truth for myself (although they were pretty skeptical when I told them I was joining the Mormon church).  I was stopped on my frustrated "road to Damascus" when I happened to attend a Mormon meeting for a religious studies college course.  The spirit frightened me the first time I felt it - before, I thought all of that talk about "feel the Holy Spirit" was just some sort of poetic metaphor...  Look up "fear not" in the scriptures, I guess I'm not the only one who was frightened by it at first.  It is pretty cool to know that it is all real though, that you can actually communicate with God and all that - pretty crazy!!  

 

Welcome to this crazy old forum - don't let anyone rock your boat around here!

Edited October 27, 2015 by changed

[jkwilliams]

I just noticed this:

I went about my business of trying to expose corruption in the government and, in the course of doing so, needed to take the very bus that would take me to the Temple.

Just out of curiosity, what were you doing to expose corruption in the government? Sounds a lot more interesting than most of my days.

[Tony Frank]

I just noticed this:

Just out of curiosity, what were you doing to expose corruption in the government? Sounds a lot more interesting than most of my days.

 

Way too much to discuss on an internet forum.

Edited October 29, 2015 by Tony Frank

[MiserereNobis]

Way too much to discuss in an internet forum.

 

Oh, c'mon... you're a great lover of creating the longest posts ever

[Raingirl]

Way too much to discuss in an internet forum.

 

Yet....you included it in your story.  There must have been a reason for that.

[Tony Frank]

Yet....you included it in your story.  There must have been a reason for that.

 

I felt inspired. Maybe I was prompted to include it because the elders of Israel will step forth to save the Constitution.

[3DOP]

"...this is my conversion story, and I am putting it out there for discussion, especially since we have something of a Catholic contingent posting here."

 

"I stopped practicing Catholicism after I graduated from a Catholic grade school. I was actually ignorant of a certain Catholic teaching for the eight years I was there. I always thought that they knew that God was three separate and distinct beings.

But when I was in the eighth grade, I heard a Catholic priest talk about God choosing to manifest himself at any given time as either the Father, the Son, or the Holy Ghost. I brought up the Biblical details of the Savior’s baptism, which is when the Father spoke from Heaven while the Holy Ghost descended in the form of a dove. The priest stated that God was not three separate and distinct beings that existed all at the same time. I asked him to explain his statement in light of what took place when the Savior was baptized, and he got angry. It was then that I knew that Catholicism was not the truth."

 

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So during Catholic grade school, you had already rejected what the Catholic Church always said at the Preface of the Mass for the Most Holy Trinity? Really? I am wondering how such a bright young fellow could have thought that Catholics ever believed like you "always thought"? We openly declare at 90% of Sunday Masses that "...in confessing the true and eternal Godhead, we should adore distinction in Persons, unity in Essence, and equality in Majesty" (Preface of the Most Holy Trinity). There is only one autotheos, the Father. If it was that important to you before you were out of grade school that each Person have His own private divinity, you have only yourself to blame for not knowing. There is nothing that you ever heard in Catholic school to make you think that Catholics agreed with you. You should have been paying closer attention since it was so important to you about what you "always thought". Have you now found a church where smart aleck teenagers never frustrate church authorities? Is that how you know the CoJCoLDS is true?

Edited October 30, 2015 by 3DOP

[MiserereNobis]

 

So during Catholic grade school, you had already rejected what the Catholic Church always said at the Preface of the Mass for the Most Holy Trinity? Really? I am wondering how such a bright young fellow could have thought that Catholics ever believed like you "always thought"? We openly declare at 90% of Sunday Masses that "...in confessing the true and eternal Godhead, we should adore distinction in Persons, unity in Essence, and equality in Majesty" (Preface of the Most Holy Trinity). There is only one autotheos, the Father. If it was that important to you before you were out of grade school that each Person have His own private divinity, you have only yourself to blame for not knowing. There is nothing that you ever heard in Catholic school to make you think that Catholics agreed with you. You should have been paying closer attention since it was so important to you about what you "always thought". Have you now found a church where smart aleck teenagers never frustrate church authorities? Is that how you know the CoJCoLDS is true?

 

Hey Rory,

 

I thought about going into detail like this, but decided to just leave it at maybe he went to a terrible (post V2, ha) school, as my post above points out.  But now that you've said it, I'll join in the chorus (you be the strophe, I'll be the antistrophe).  His reasons for leaving the Catholic Church are very adolescent.  But then again, who among us hasn't had an adolescent crisis of faith

 

Pax,

Jesse

[Tony Frank]

"...this is my conversion story, and I am putting it out there for discussion, especially since we have something of a Catholic contingent posting here."

 

"I stopped practicing Catholicism after I graduated from a Catholic grade school. I was actually ignorant of a certain Catholic teaching for the eight years I was there. I always thought that they knew that God was three separate and distinct beings.

But when I was in the eighth grade, I heard a Catholic priest talk about God choosing to manifest himself at any given time as either the Father, the Son, or the Holy Ghost. I brought up the Biblical details of the Savior’s baptism, which is when the Father spoke from Heaven while the Holy Ghost descended in the form of a dove. The priest stated that God was not three separate and distinct beings that existed all at the same time. I asked him to explain his statement in light of what took place when the Savior was baptized, and he got angry. It was then that I knew that Catholicism was not the truth."

 

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So during Catholic grade school, you had already rejected what the Catholic Church always said at the Preface of the Mass for the Most Holy Trinity? Really? I am wondering how such a bright young fellow could have thought that Catholics ever believed like you "always thought"? We openly declare at 90% of Sunday Masses that "...in confessing the true and eternal Godhead, we should adore distinction in Persons, unity in Essence, and equality in Majesty" (Preface of the Most Holy Trinity). There is only one autotheos, the Father. If it was that important to you before you were out of grade school that each Person have His own private divinity, you have only yourself to blame for not knowing. There is nothing that you ever heard in Catholic school to make you think that Catholics agreed with you. You should have been paying closer attention since it was so important to you about what you "always thought". Have you now found a church where smart aleck teenagers never frustrate church authorities? Is that how you know the CoJCoLDS is true?

 

 

Trinity means "a group of three." I thought it meant one God with three distinct beings, which brings to mind what we find in the Book of Mormon.

 

Here’s a dandy Book of Mormon scripture testifying of one God.

 

“And they must come according to the words which shall be established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb shall be made known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of the twelve apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in one; for there is one God and one Shepherd over all the earth.” - 1 Nephi 13:41

 

Here’s another dandy Book of Mormon scripture testifying of one God.

 

“And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.” - 2 Nephi 31:21

 

And yet another Book of Mormon scripture testifying of one God.

 

“And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end.” - Mormon 7:7

 

Latter-day doctrine as stated in Doctrine and Covenants 20:26-29 testifies of one God. 

 

“Not only those who believed after he came in the meridian of time, in the flesh, but all those from the beginning, even as many as were before he came, who believed in the words of the holy prophets, who spake as they were inspired by the gift of the Holy Ghost, who truly testified of him in all things, should have eternal life,

 

“As well as those who should come after, who should believe in the gifts and callings of God by the Holy Ghost, which beareth record of the Father and of the Son;

 

“Which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God, infinite and eternal, without end. Amen.

 

“And we know that all men must repent and believe on the name of Jesus Christ, and worship the Father in his name, and endure in faith on his name to the end, or they cannot be saved in the kingdom of God.”

 

In the Pearl of Great Price we find yet another scripture testifying of one God.

 

“Nevertheless, calling upon God, he received strength, and he commanded, saying: Depart from me, Satan, for this one God only will I worship, which is the God of glory.” - Moses 1:20

 

We believe as Paul stated in 1 Corinthians 8:6 that “there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.”

 

The true doctrine of Jesus Christ has been restored in these latter days. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is God's kingdom on the earth, and the true doctrine that there is but one God, the Father, and one Lord Jesus Christ, who suffered and died for our sins, is contained therein. 

Edited October 31, 2015 by Tony Frank

[Tony Frank]

Hey Rory,

 

I thought about going into detail like this, but decided to just leave it at maybe he went to a terrible (post V2, ha) school, as my post above points out.  But now that you've said it, I'll join in the chorus (you be the strophe, I'll be the antistrophe).  His reasons for leaving the Catholic Church are very adolescent.  But then again, who among us hasn't had an adolescent crisis of faith

 

Pax,

Jesse

 

My reasons for leaving the Catholic Church are that it is a false church, which has been confirmed to me throughout my adult life.

[MiserereNobis]

 

Trinity means "a group of three." I thought it meant one God with three distinct beings, which bring to mind what we find in the Book of Mormon.

 

I think we've established that you had a terrible Catholic education   The Holy Trinity is one Being with three Persons.

 

I know that this is not LDS doctrine and I don't want to get into an argument about it.  There have been too many.  But I do want to say that your understanding of one God and three beings is not the Holy Trinity.

 

God bless you, Tony.

[saemo]

My reasons for leaving the Catholic Church are that it is a false church, which has been confirmed to me throughout my adult life.

Great, be the best Mormon you can be, but what you believe about Catholicism has been shown to be false.

[3DOP]

Trinity means "a group of three." I thought it meant one God with three distinct beings, which brings to mind what we find in the Book of Mormon.

 

Here’s a dandy Book of Mormon scripture testifying of one God.

 

“And they must come according to the words which shall be established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb shall be made known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of the twelve apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in one; for there is one God and one Shepherd over all the earth.” - 1 Nephi 13:41

 

Here’s another dandy Book of Mormon scripture testifying of one God.

 

“And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.” - 2 Nephi 31:21

 

And yet another Book of Mormon scripture testifying of one God.

 

“And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end.” - Mormon 7:7

 

Latter-day doctrine as stated in Doctrine and Covenants 20:26-29 testifies of one God. 

 

“Not only those who believed after he came in the meridian of time, in the flesh, but all those from the beginning, even as many as were before he came, who believed in the words of the holy prophets, who spake as they were inspired by the gift of the Holy Ghost, who truly testified of him in all things, should have eternal life,

 

“As well as those who should come after, who should believe in the gifts and callings of God by the Holy Ghost, which beareth record of the Father and of the Son;

 

“Which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God, infinite and eternal, without end. Amen.

 

“And we know that all men must repent and believe on the name of Jesus Christ, and worship the Father in his name, and endure in faith on his name to the end, or they cannot be saved in the kingdom of God.”

 

In the Pearl of Great Price we find yet another scripture testifying of one God.

 

“Nevertheless, calling upon God, he received strength, and he commanded, saying: Depart from me, Satan, for this one God only will I worship, which is the God of glory.” - Moses 1:20

 

We believe as Paul stated in 1 Corinthians 8:6 that “there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.”

 

The true doctrine of Jesus Christ has been restored in these latter days. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is God's kingdom on the earth, and the true doctrine that there is but one God, the Father, and one Lord Jesus Christ, who suffered and died for our sins, is contained therein.

I am a little puzzled. You seem to think all of those passages contradict the Catholic teaching? On the contrary. Those passages are compatible with the Catholic faith. It depends on the interpretation. Would you not agree? It doesn't touch on whether they all have their being from the Father or not. We say yes. You say no. Your Scriptures don't settle the question.

[Tony Frank]

I am a little puzzled. You seem to think all of those passages contradict the Catholic teaching? On the contrary. Those passages are compatible with the Catholic faith. It depends on the interpretation. Would you not agree? It doesn't touch on whether they all have their being from the Father or not. We say yes. You say no. Your Scriptures don't settle the question.

 

The Savior's baptism actually settles the question. The Savior Jesus Christ was baptized and Father spoke from heaven saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased." And the Holy Ghost descended in the form of a dove.

 

And the Savior's prayed to His Father in heaven. He did not pray to Himself.

 

As for those passages, I just like posting scripture.

[MiserereNobis]

The Savior's baptism actually settles the question. The Savior Jesus Christ was baptized and Father spoke from heaven saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased." And the Holy Ghost descended in the form of a dove.

 

And the Savior's prayed to His Father in heaven. He did not pray to Himself.

 

As for those passages, I just like posting scripture.

 

No, God the Son did not pray to God the Son.  He prayed to God the Father.

 

Three different Persons, one Being.  As Rory pointed out, the scriptures don't prove it one way or another.  It can be interpreted both ways.  We believe, based on our tradition and authority, one belief, and you believe, based on your tradition and authority, a different belief.

 

Neither one of us are sola scriptura, so ultimately quoting scripture does not persuade.

Edited November 2, 2015 by MiserereNobis

[The Nehor]

I felt inspired. Maybe I was prompted to include it because the elders of Israel will step forth to save the Constitution.

 

So you are boasting about fulfilling the discredited White Horse prophecy? 

[strappinglad]

 Welcome back Nehor, we missed that sharp stick.

[The Nehor]

 Welcome back Nehor, we missed that sharp stick.

 

It was a good vacation.