Thinking Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 Out of respect for calmoriah I decided to start a new thread. Which critic and/or non-believer has the most rep points? I know it's not me, so you can resist sending me written jabs.
Scott Lloyd Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 Probably 3DOP. That's my guess.The friendly Catholic? I wouldn't call him a critic. Or am I thinking of someone else?
strappinglad Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 I don't see 3 DOP as either a critic or a non- believer. There are others who are both and vehemently both. Generally they don't get too many rep points. I could name names, but that would be critical and I have used up my criticism quota for the day with this post.
Coreyb Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 I am not always sure who is a believer and who is not. Is critic synonymous with nonbeliever? 1
JLHPROF Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 Do I count as a critic? Considering all my conservative leanings and complaints about the changes I might?Or what about some of our resident "progressive members" who criticize Church position on women and the priesthood or gay marriage or some other issue? Does that count as criticizing?Or what about some of our faith crisis members who are questioning and doubting? Is that criticizing?It's a tough label to name critics. 4
Thinking Posted July 19, 2015 Author Posted July 19, 2015 Do I count as a critic? Considering all my conservative leanings and complaints about the changes I might?Or what about some of our resident "progressive members" who criticize Church position on women and the priesthood or gay marriage or some other issue? Does that count as criticizing?Or what about some of our faith crisis members who are questioning and doubting? Is that criticizing?It's a tough label to name critics. I guess we would need to categorize your posts and determine which ones were critical and only include the rep points from those posts in the total.
JLHPROF Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 I guess we would need to categorize your posts and determine which ones were critical and only include the rep points from those posts in the total. You would also have to categorize the givers of these rep points.I receive rep points from conservative members who like my old school beliefs. I receive rep points from TBMs who like my defending the Church.I even receive rep points from progressives and anti's who like my willingness to question the current beliefs vs the original beliefs of the Church.So some of my points are for criticizing, others for defending.
Robert F. Smith Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 .................................................................................. Which critic and/or non-believer has the most rep points? I know it's not me, so you can resist sending me written jabs.You must first decide which you want, critics or unbelievers. Then you probably need to calculate rep points per month or year, because some have been around longer than others. However, if you want the critics who have been both respectful and trenchant, I would nominate Rob Bowman. Didn't this board once carry rep point totals in the profile? 1
TheSkepticChristian Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 (edited) non-believer has the most rep points? I know it's not me, so you can resist sending me written jabs. I say it is thesometimesaint Edited July 20, 2015 by TheSkepticChristian
Duncan Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 Someone I wish was still around and I wonder how he is is Tchild2-he was funny!!
Scott Lloyd Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 I am not always sure who is a believer and who is not. Is critic synonymous with nonbeliever?The answer should be obvious. Do I disbelieve in Methodism? Largely, yes. Am I a critic of Methodism? Certainly not. I don't care enough about it to be a critic.
bluebell Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 The friendly Catholic? I wouldn't call him a critic.Or am I thinking of someone else? The OP said critic/non-believer. I assumed he meant one or the other (critic or non believer) and not someone who was both. Guess i could have misunderstood though.
canard78 Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 (edited) You must first decide which you want, critics or unbelievers. Then you probably need to calculate rep points per month or year, because some have been around longer than others. However, if you want the critics who have been both respectful and trenchant, I would nominate Rob Bowman. Didn't this board once carry rep point totals in the profile? Rob Bowman? Didn't he get hounded out back in 2013? He might have been respectful, I'm not sure that all members of this board showed him the same in return. EDIT to add: Probably the simplest calculation is to look at the posts-to-points ratio and set a minimum base of 50 posts to ensure robustness. You, for example, have a great ratio. For every 1.4 posts you create, you get 1 rep point. Edited July 20, 2015 by canard78 1
canard78 Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 The answer should be obvious.Do I disbelieve in Methodism? Largely, yes. Am I a critic of Methodism? Certainly not. I don't care enough about it to be a critic. Good point. Does the fact that a non-believer cares enough to participate in this board make him or her a critic? I think that one of the unfortunate by-products of this board's history is that there is a natural hostility and what appears to be suspicion towards non-believers. Understandable I suppose because often people come under the guise of questions and doubt but are really just here to poke holes. I've had friends with doubts and questions and I've encouraged them to participate here, rather than just discuss doubts in echo-chambers. Several of them have been scared off after a few visits by the hostility a few posters show to doubters.
Scott Lloyd Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 The OP said critic/non-believer. I assumed he meant one or the other (critic or non believer) and not someone who was both. Guess i could have misunderstood though.You're right. The thread title caused my eyes to pass over the "non-believer" in the OP. I really do believe there is a fundamental difference between a critic and one who merely disbelieves. Critics often have trouble grasping that difference.
Calm Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 (edited) Probably the simplest calculation is to look at the posts-to-points ratio and set a minimum base of 50 posts to ensure robustness. Doesn't work as this board was going for years before it started allowing points to be given...Feb 2011, board started at least in 2004 when I joined, maybe 2003. There are some more recent posters that have more points than posts such as sheilauk, iirc. I had at least 20,000 prerep post then I believe (maybe I can find a thread by Scott Lloyd marking that milestone )...and if you look at a lot of posters, they had a number of posts but few points because they've gone missing before repping started or post hardly at all any more. Easiest way to see who has the most rep points in whatever category is to go into the member forum, set the member list to "post count" and then skim down it looking for the highest counts. While more consistent for long time members than more recent ones, generally speaking the higher points are in the first 5 pages or so...at least they were last time I went looking. Edited July 20, 2015 by calmoriah
Kenngo1969 Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 This is off-topic, but there used to be a way one could see how many times a given poster had posted in a given thread. Anyone know how to do that (just curious)?
Calm Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 (edited) Go to main thread title page, see number of replies for the thread next to avatar of last poster, click on that. For example, this has 18 replies right now and this is what it looks like...hopefully: Who posted in: Which Critic Has The Most Rep Points?Member name Posts Scott Lloyd 3 Thinking 2 bluebell 2 calmoriah 2 canard78 2 JLHPROF 2 Duncan 1 Kenngo1969 1 Coreyb 1 strappinglad 1 Well, the nice table effect was removed, but at least you got the text. Edited July 20, 2015 by calmoriah
canard78 Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 (edited) Out of respect for calmoriah I decided to start a new thread.Which critic and/or non-believer has the most rep points? I know it's not me, so you can resist sending me written jabs.You must first decide which you want, critics or unbelievers. Then you probably need to calculate rep points per month or year, because some have been around longer than others.However, if you want the critics who have been both respectful and trenchant, I would nominate Rob Bowman.Didn't this board once carry rep point totals in the profile?So I'm a nerd and decided to have a look. Feel free to add to this list.Some of the posters are certainly not critics. 3DOP for example is not critical, but as an active Catholic does not believe in all of Mormonism's claims. Also, someone like Bookofmormonluvr believes a lot of Mormonism, but not in the Brigham Young/Utah branch of mormonism. Anyway... here you go:**EDIT: Cal has just posted (while I was typing this) that the points/posts ratio isn't reliable because points were added later than post count started. Also some points have been lost during updates and transitions. So this analysis is meaningless. The only way to make it robust is to do a count of posts and points in the last 2 years... and I've certainly not got time for that!****EDIT 2, I missed HappyJackWagon off the list and he'd have been the winner:Points: 679Posts: 1182Ratio of 1.74:1**Ranked by total rep points (as a benchmark I've included a few of the better known 'believers/defenders'):And here's the same list ranked by ratio to posts:I'm not sure when rep points started, so it's possible the posts to posts ratio is a fair measure. Edited July 23, 2015 by canard78 1
canard78 Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 Doesn't work as this board was going for years before it started allowing points to be given...Feb 2011, board started at least in 2004 when I joined, maybe 2003. There are some more recent posters that have more points than posts such as sheilauk, iirc. I had at least 20,000 prerep post then I believe (maybe I can find a thread by Scott Lloyd marking that milestone )...and if you look at a lot of posters, they had a number of posts but few points because they've gone missing before repping started or post hardly at all any more. Easiest way to see who has the most rep points in whatever category is to go into the member forum, set the member list to "post count" and then skim down it looking for the highest counts. While more consistent for long time members than more recent ones, generally speaking the higher points are in the first 5 pages or so...at least they were last time I went looking. D'oh! Just posted my analysis and now you've confirmed my concern that the "ratio" approach is skewed by time/deletions/board reboots. Oh well... I'll go and edit my other post.
Calm Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 (edited) Rep points started in Feb 2011. I would suggest the closest thing you could get is to find the original join date, divide total posts by number of years to yield average posting per year, then times that by 4.3 to yield likely posts since rep points were opened. so around 40,000/11 is about 4000 (really rounding off for easy math) times 4.3 equals 17,000. 17,000 posts/10,000 points=1.7 posts per point I've probably posted pretty consistently over the years. Brant Gardener posted heavier in the beginning, same with Kevin Christensen and Dan Peterson but I don't know how to estimate that off of memory... Nov 2003 to Jul 2015...12.5 years; Feb 2011 to Jul 2015....4.4 years. 4.4/12.5 means about 1/3 of total board existence having points. Brant, Kevin and Dan were likely here early on and probably posted at least 3/4 or 4/5s of their posts prior to repping. Possibly even 9/10s for Brant. Edited July 20, 2015 by calmoriah 1
Scott Lloyd Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 (edited) Good point. Does the fact that a non-believer cares enough to participate in this board make him or her a critic?I think that one of the unfortunate by-products of this board's history is that there is a natural hostility and what appears to be suspicion towards non-believers. Understandable I suppose because often people come under the guise of questions and doubt but are really just here to poke holes.I've had friends with doubts and questions and I've encouraged them to participate here, rather than just discuss doubts in echo-chambers. Several of them have been scared off after a few visits by the hostility a few posters show to doubters.3DOP is a case in point. He is a Catholic with a strong interest in Mormonism but never (that I've seen) speaks negatively about it. Daniel Peterson has a scholarly (and friendly) interest in Islam but is not a believer in it. Professor Jan Shipps has been an academic and professional Mormon watcher for many decades but never speaks or writes disapprovingly of the faith, though she is not an adherent to it. Edited July 20, 2015 by Scott Lloyd 1
Scott Lloyd Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 Russell McGregor is an interesting case study. Since his board identity was rebooted some weeks ago, his total rep points have exceeded his number of posts -- or at least they had last I looked, which admittedly was a while ago. Russell is an example of one who was on here long before rep points were instituted.
why me Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 We should also consider those who are on limited. This process is sort of a disfellowshipment where the person on limited is allowed 12 posts at a time and cannot start threads. Tacenda has a high ratio of rep points and yet, she is on limited. Also, I am not sure of the usefulness of a rep point system. Of course it can create a better board because people are attempting to post high quality posts etc. But I do think that the system can be abused. For example, if my daughter was signed into the board by does not post, she can certainly add to my rep points by giving me her limit of rep points for the day. Personally, I would rather earn my rep points but such abuse could happen.
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