Where Did Earth's Moon Come From? (According To Mormons)

[JLHPROF]

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Too bad about that: because the funeral oration for Joseph Smith at 

Nauvoo contains some real gems about that Council and the role

played by Gazelem, the Prince of Light.

 

I think it is entirely safe to say that not only was Gazelem not

present in the balcony during that august assembly, but that

celestial council chamber, the Prince of Light and Council itself

were all a Mormon fantasy.

 

You say it mockingly.  I say I believe it, or at least, the non-absurdist description of these events.

[Uncle Dale]

 

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Your medieval Catholics are so dumb and modern Mormons are so smart is nothing but bigotry.

 

Last time I said something like that here, the mods threatened to

suspend me. Hopefully that hyper sensitivity on their part has faded 

since the previous decade -- but I'd be careful with words like bigotry.

 

UD

[Uncle Dale]

You say it mockingly.  I say I believe it, or at least, the non-absurdist description of these events.

 

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Just making a statement of fact, that it's entirely safe to say such things.

I don't mock LDS popular lore any more so than I mock Reorganized

LDS "wisdom" on such matters.

 

UD

(even my placing RLDS wisdom in quotation marks is probably minor mockery)

[CA Steve]

I wonder if any of those who attended the King Follett funeral sermon were left wondering if what they had just heard was 'doctrine' or was necessary for their salvation?

[Uncle Dale]

I wonder if any of those who attended the King Follett funeral sermon were left wondering if what they had just heard was 'doctrine' or was necessary for their salvation?

 

I would have hated to have been one of the scribes in the audience,

taking down notes in shorthand, and then comparing my notes with

those of another official scribe:

 

Scribe #1: "I think he said 'the head God brought forth the grand council'"

 

Scribe #2: "No, I'm sure he said 'God brought forth the heads of the grand council'"

 

Scribe #3: "You've both got it wrong -- but if we merge our stenography, I'm

sure that Divine Guidance will prevail.

 

Scribe #1: "Ok -- how about 'Thus the head God brought forth the Gods

in the grand council?'"

 

UD

[saemo]

wrong-o reply-o 

Edited March 13, 2015 by saemo

[saemo]

Last time I said something like that here, the mods threatened to

suspend me. Hopefully that hyper sensitivity on their part has faded 

since the previous decade -- but I'd be careful with words like bigotry.

 

UD

Most likely Bukowski was continuing his personal attack of me. His anti-Catholicism is wrapped around his cannon balls sometimes.

Edited March 13, 2015 by saemo

[mfbukowski]

You are more stuck in medieval Catholicism than Catholics are! Stained glass Cathedrals did not appear until the engineering disciplines figured out how to keep such large holes in a wall from causing the wall itself to collapse. "Winged", flying buttress, Cathedrals didn't come to be in an engineer's designs until the 12th century. AMAZINGLY, people still learned all their Bible stores before then.

 

Your medieval Catholics are so dumb and modern Mormons are so smart is nothing but bigotry.

I don't recall the word "medieval" being there anywhere.  I wasn't talking about them at all.

 

For most people working in an office is not much different than working in a field.   Some read books, others read stop signs and that's about the extent of their literacy.

 

And yes, that applies to all God's children.

[mfbukowski]

You are not God.

I ran this idea past my husband, who has a science degree, and he wanted to ask if your God is antimatter, in order to survive residence in a supermassive black hole.

I did not start this.

[mfbukowski]

Last time I said something like that here, the mods threatened to

suspend me. Hopefully that hyper sensitivity on their part has faded 

since the previous decade -- but I'd be careful with words like bigotry.

 

UD

We can only hope those principles are among the Eternal and Unchanging.

[mfbukowski]

As a Catholic, God as the creator of time and existing outside of it, with body or not, makes way more sense to me than intragalactic super humans who move planets with their super powers and reside in supermassive black holes (seriously?). Sorry, the whole idea just sounds make believe to me.

This was your first entry into this conversation which did not include you at all.

[mfbukowski]

Most likely Bukowski was continuing his personal attack of me. His anti-Catholicism is wrapped around his cannon balls sometimes.

I am not sure if that is a compliment or not.  At least I have some.

 

But they are not anti-Catholic.

[saemo]

This was your first entry into this conversation which did not include you at all.

...and?

[saemo]

I am not sure if that is a compliment or not.  At least I have some.

 

But they are not anti-Catholic.

I was not referring to your anatomy, but your insults.

[saemo]

I don't recall the word "medieval" being there anywhere.  I wasn't talking about them at all.

 

For most people working in an office is not much different than working in a field.   Some read books, others read stop signs and that's about the extent of their literacy.

 

And yes, that applies to all God's children.

So, maybe your point has been lost in the back peddling.

 

Please de-accelerate the squabbling a bit.

[Ahab]

That is what is a the center of many galaxies, including our own, and it is what causes the center of the galaxies we look at to shine so brightly. Sure, God is the cause of the intense light, but that intense light is a creation of God, and is not God. Gravity, the interaction of matter and antimatter, is what causes the intense light at the center of a galaxy.. It is an inhospitable place for life. No object remains in the state in which it is in the center of a galaxy, except the supermassive black hole itself. Rationally, if your God is at the center of our Galaxy, he is either the supermassive black hole itself, or what comprises it (antimatter).

ETA, the planets, moons and stars that are clustered tightly around the center of the galaxy are being pulled by the gravity of the black hole into itself, where they will be torn apart and cease to exist.

Okay, I know I should say something about where the moon came from somewhere in my post, otherwise it would be off topic, so I'll take care of that now by saying that if the centers of each galaxy are the celestial regions of heaven, as I think they are, then our moon as well as our Earth were once there before they got moved to the region of our galaxy where they are now.

And no that doesn't mean they were ever composed of anti-matter, necessarily, or that everything in the center of a galaxy must be composed of anti-matter to be able to be there, even if Kolob is a supermassive black hole that is in the same (think HUGE) regions of space that are considered the centers of galaxies.

[Uncle Dale]

Okay, I know I should say something about where the moon came from somewhere in my post, otherwise it would be off topic, so I'll take care of that now by saying that if the centers of each galaxy are the celestial regions of heaven...

 

 

Maybe so -- whatever that might entail and mean.

 

Two centuries ago a fellow (whose name I am not allowed to

post in this forum, unfortunately) saw his ideas on a related

matter published in a volume entitled Celestial Scenery, or,

The Wonders of the Planetary System Displayed, Illustrating

the Perfections of Deity and a Plurality of Worlds...

 

 

One of the ideas expressed in that book (and in the author's

previous writings, and in other publications going back to the

decades before the Book of Mormon appeared) is that hard,

rocky planets, like Mars, Mercury, etc., can be supernaturally

celestialized, to become "of finer matter" and to be radiant stars.

 

A fictional depiction of this celestialization process is depicted

in Solomon Spalding's unpublished "Romance of Celes," the

original manuscript of which is preserved in the Library of Congress.

 

 

In that early 19th century novel, we read about the deceased

Gen. George Washington being a progressing godling, and getting

his own planet (or world) to transform into a stellar body.

 

 

The gas-giant planet Jupiter is portrayed as a planet in the

process of celestialization. Sol (our sun) has been fully transformed

and is the domain of Jesus Christ.

 

Solomon Spalding's alter ego even visits the moon. There we read

about Lamech and assorted Israelites -- the lunar sphere seeming

to be even less holy than the yet-to-be-celestialized earth.

 

Forget about "Moon Quakers" -- Moon Lost Tribesmen is something

far more interesting. As fascinating as is Enoch's Zomas.

 

 

But, what does the author whose name I'm not allowed to post here

have to say about the realm of the highest god of all? The book is

on-line, so the curious ones here can read it and report back on

whether Eloheim resides at the center of the Milky Way Galaxy.

 

If so, it makes me wonder which scion of Eloheim has been granted

dominion over our galaxy's satellites...

 

 

A baby black hole's realm in the making ???

 

UD

Edited March 13, 2015 by Uncle Dale

[saemo]

Okay, I know I should say something about where the moon came from somewhere in my post, otherwise it would be off topic, so I'll take care of that now by saying that if the centers of each galaxy are the celestial regions of heaven, as I think they are, then our moon as well as our Earth were once there before they got moved to the region of our galaxy where they are now.

And no that doesn't mean they were ever composed of anti-matter, necessarily, or that everything in the center of a galaxy must be composed of anti-matter to be able to be there, even if Kolob is a supermassive black hole that is in the same (think HUGE) regions of space that are considered the centers of galaxies.

Thanks for your explanation.